Re: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S

2020-10-02 Thread Roy Butler

  
  
Tump,

I have a system exactly like this one and had similar AGS issues.
Once we ruled out conflicts between the internal Aux commands and
the AGS menu in the Mate,
we eventually figured out it was heat related. We were using the top
inverter on one of the quad stacks for AGS and that inverter ran
hotter than the others. The
genset would start as expected but the shutdown was extremely
erratic, sometimes running for 10-15 hours if someone didn't catch
it right away.

The problems stopped when we moved the AGS function to the bottom
inverter. Such a simple solution that took far too long to figure
out. I hope the solution
to your issue turns out to be as simple (and cheap!) as mine.
Roy Butler
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747  www.four-winds-energy.com


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On 10/2/2020 10:24 AM, Tump wrote:


  
  I have a client w/
8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently connected to a
Mate 3 & older hub 10.  The generator run time/shut down
time is never the same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the
inverters in “silent” mode.  Gen stays running despite full
batteries, confirmed by battery voltage & using my
refractometer. 
  The only "gen
trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history
repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW. 
   Is there any
conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an older
system?
  I will be also
changing out the Hub as well. Thoughts/suggestions
  

  

  

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S

2020-10-02 Thread Ray
I know its not the same equipment, but we recently had a Magnum 
autostart doing strange things, and it turns out we had it set up for 
the wrong generator configuration.  With all the different types of 
starting configurations on all the different generators, strange things 
can happen.


We're actually considering taking the advice of a recent Wrench post, 
and declaring that our insurance doesn't cover AGS.  If it starts when 
it shouldn't and possibly contributes to a fire? very bad.  If it 
doesn't start when it should and causes refrigerated food to spoil and 
heating systems to go down? also very bad.


I get more call backs for AGS, then any other thing, and its usually a 
generator issue (which we didn't sell).


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 10/2/20 1:35 PM, Tuss, Lones wrote:


Hello Tump

You may want to go into the aux setpoints on the inverter being used 
to signal a gen run condition and check to see


how it is programmed. It could be that the aux is being instructed to 
turn on


by the aux setpoints as set in the inverter.

If AGS tells it to turn on great but if inside the inverters aux 
programming some parameters are being met that tell the 12 volt aux to 
active then seemingly random gen runs can occur.


Depending on age and the firmware of the inverter there are 9 or more 
programmable conditions that can trigger the 12 volt aux. At one point 
there was a setpoint called Remote which told the inverter some other 
device other than  you is in control of your auxiliary output.


  If you do not see a Remote setting you might try setting the 
inverters aux to Vent Fan then set the trigger point (Battery Voltage) 
to a condition that is impossible to achieve. I have a 48 volt system 
and I can set the Vent Fan trigger point up to 72VDC this will ensure 
the AGS is the only way the 12 volt Aux can be activated.


I left a message on your phone if you continue to have issues please 
call me.


Take Care Sir

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*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S

I have a client w/ 8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently 
connected to a Mate 3 & older hub 10.  The generator run time/shut 
down time is never the same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the 
inverters in “silent” mode.  Gen stays running despite full batteries, 
confirmed by battery voltage & using my refractometer.


The only "gen trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history 
repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW.


 Is there any conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an 
older system?


I will be also changing out the Hub as well. Thoughts/suggestions

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S

2020-10-02 Thread Tuss, Lones
Hello Tump
You may want to go into the aux setpoints on the inverter being used to signal 
a gen run condition and check to see
how it is programmed. It could be that the aux is being instructed to turn on
by the aux setpoints as set in the inverter.
If AGS tells it to turn on great but if inside the inverters aux programming 
some parameters are being met that tell the 12 volt aux to active then 
seemingly random gen runs can occur.
Depending on age and the firmware of the inverter there are 9 or more 
programmable conditions that can trigger the 12 volt aux. At one point there 
was a setpoint called Remote which told the inverter some other device other 
than  you is in control of your auxiliary output.
  If you do not see a Remote setting you might try setting the inverters aux to 
Vent Fan then set the trigger point (Battery Voltage) to a condition that is 
impossible to achieve. I have a 48 volt system and I can set the Vent Fan 
trigger point up to 72VDC this will ensure the AGS is the only way the 12 volt 
Aux can be activated.
I left a message on your phone if you continue to have issues please call me.
Take Care Sir


From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Tump
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 7:24 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S

I have a client w/ 8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently connected to 
a Mate 3 & older hub 10.  The generator run time/shut down time is never the 
same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the inverters in “silent” mode.  Gen 
stays running despite full batteries, confirmed by battery voltage & using my 
refractometer.
The only "gen trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history 
repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW.
 Is there any conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an older system?
I will be also changing out the Hub as well. Thoughts/suggestions
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[RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S

2020-10-02 Thread Tump
I have a client w/ 8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently connected to 
a Mate 3 & older hub 10.  The generator run time/shut down time is never the 
same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the inverters in “silent” mode.  Gen 
stays running despite full batteries, confirmed by battery voltage & using my 
refractometer. 
The only "gen trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history 
repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW. 
 Is there any conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an older system?
I will be also changing out the Hub as well. Thoughts/suggestions
> t...@swnl.net 
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>  www.SWNL.net 
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> Solarwinds Northernlights   
>Serving Mid Coast Maine & Northern California
>  207-832-7574   Cl. 610-517-8401  
> 
>   Blair "TUMP" May
>  MAINE'S CHARTER 
>   NABCEP"Certified PV Installer" 
>
>     MAINE'S CHARTER 
>   Trace Xantrex "Certified" Dealer / Installer"
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