Re: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S
Tump, I have a system exactly like this one and had similar AGS issues. Once we ruled out conflicts between the internal Aux commands and the AGS menu in the Mate, we eventually figured out it was heat related. We were using the top inverter on one of the quad stacks for AGS and that inverter ran hotter than the others. The genset would start as expected but the shutdown was extremely erratic, sometimes running for 10-15 hours if someone didn't catch it right away. The problems stopped when we moved the AGS function to the bottom inverter. Such a simple solution that took far too long to figure out. I hope the solution to your issue turns out to be as simple (and cheap!) as mine. Roy Butler Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC 8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807 607-324-9747 www.four-winds-energy.com Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. On 10/2/2020 10:24 AM, Tump wrote: I have a client w/ 8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently connected to a Mate 3 & older hub 10. The generator run time/shut down time is never the same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the inverters in “silent” mode. Gen stays running despite full batteries, confirmed by battery voltage & using my refractometer. The only "gen trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW. Is there any conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an older system? I will be also changing out the Hub as well. Thoughts/suggestions t...@swnl.net www.SWNL.net Solarwinds Northernlights Serving Mid Coast Maine & Northern California 207-832-7574 Cl. 610-517-8401 Blair "TUMP" May MAINE'S CHARTER NABCEP "Certified PV Installer" MAINE'S CHARTER Trace Xantrex "Certified" Dealer / Installer" ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S
I know its not the same equipment, but we recently had a Magnum autostart doing strange things, and it turns out we had it set up for the wrong generator configuration. With all the different types of starting configurations on all the different generators, strange things can happen. We're actually considering taking the advice of a recent Wrench post, and declaring that our insurance doesn't cover AGS. If it starts when it shouldn't and possibly contributes to a fire? very bad. If it doesn't start when it should and causes refrigerated food to spoil and heating systems to go down? also very bad. I get more call backs for AGS, then any other thing, and its usually a generator issue (which we didn't sell). Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760 On 10/2/20 1:35 PM, Tuss, Lones wrote: Hello Tump You may want to go into the aux setpoints on the inverter being used to signal a gen run condition and check to see how it is programmed. It could be that the aux is being instructed to turn on by the aux setpoints as set in the inverter. If AGS tells it to turn on great but if inside the inverters aux programming some parameters are being met that tell the 12 volt aux to active then seemingly random gen runs can occur. Depending on age and the firmware of the inverter there are 9 or more programmable conditions that can trigger the 12 volt aux. At one point there was a setpoint called Remote which told the inverter some other device other than you is in control of your auxiliary output. If you do not see a Remote setting you might try setting the inverters aux to Vent Fan then set the trigger point (Battery Voltage) to a condition that is impossible to achieve. I have a 48 volt system and I can set the Vent Fan trigger point up to 72VDC this will ensure the AGS is the only way the 12 volt Aux can be activated. I left a message on your phone if you continue to have issues please call me. Take Care Sir *From:* RE-wrenches *On Behalf Of *Tump *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S I have a client w/ 8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently connected to a Mate 3 & older hub 10. The generator run time/shut down time is never the same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the inverters in “silent” mode. Gen stays running despite full batteries, confirmed by battery voltage & using my refractometer. The only "gen trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW. Is there any conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an older system? I will be also changing out the Hub as well. Thoughts/suggestions *t...@swnl.net mailto:t...@swnl.net%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::mailto:t...@swnl.net>**www.SWNL.net* http://www.swnl.net/%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::http://www.swnl.net/> Solarwinds Northernlights// */ Serving Mid Coast Maine & Northern California/**/ /**/ 207-832-7574 Cl. 610-517-8401 /* *//**/Blair "TUMP" May/* */ MAINE'S CHARTER /**/_ NABCEP "Certified PV Installer"_/**/_ _/**/ MAINE'S CHARTER /**/_Trace Xantrex "Certified" Dealer / Installer"_/* This email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended only for the recipient(s). If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its affiliates. This email does not constitute an agreement to conduct transactions by electronic means and does not create any legally binding contract or enforceable obligation in the absence of a fully signed written contract. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for viruses. The company accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you are the intended recipient and you do not wish to receive similar email(s) from us in the future then please notify the sender. Please consider the environment before printing. ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://list
Re: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S
Hello Tump You may want to go into the aux setpoints on the inverter being used to signal a gen run condition and check to see how it is programmed. It could be that the aux is being instructed to turn on by the aux setpoints as set in the inverter. If AGS tells it to turn on great but if inside the inverters aux programming some parameters are being met that tell the 12 volt aux to active then seemingly random gen runs can occur. Depending on age and the firmware of the inverter there are 9 or more programmable conditions that can trigger the 12 volt aux. At one point there was a setpoint called Remote which told the inverter some other device other than you is in control of your auxiliary output. If you do not see a Remote setting you might try setting the inverters aux to Vent Fan then set the trigger point (Battery Voltage) to a condition that is impossible to achieve. I have a 48 volt system and I can set the Vent Fan trigger point up to 72VDC this will ensure the AGS is the only way the 12 volt Aux can be activated. I left a message on your phone if you continue to have issues please call me. Take Care Sir From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Tump Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 7:24 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S I have a client w/ 8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently connected to a Mate 3 & older hub 10. The generator run time/shut down time is never the same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the inverters in “silent” mode. Gen stays running despite full batteries, confirmed by battery voltage & using my refractometer. The only "gen trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW. Is there any conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an older system? I will be also changing out the Hub as well. Thoughts/suggestions t...@swnl.netmailto:t...@swnl.net%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::mailto:t...@swnl.net> www.SWNL.nethttp://www.swnl.net/%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::http://www.swnl.net/> Solarwinds Northernlights Serving Mid Coast Maine & Northern California 207-832-7574 Cl. 610-517-8401 Blair "TUMP" May MAINE'S CHARTER NABCEP"Certified PV Installer" MAINE'S CHARTER Trace Xantrex "Certified" Dealer / Installer" This email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended only for the recipient(s). If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its affiliates. This email does not constitute an agreement to conduct transactions by electronic means and does not create any legally binding contract or enforceable obligation in the absence of a fully signed written contract. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for viruses. The company accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you are the intended recipient and you do not wish to receive similar email(s) from us in the future then please notify the sender. Please consider the environment before printing. ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S
I have a client w/ 8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently connected to a Mate 3 & older hub 10. The generator run time/shut down time is never the same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the inverters in “silent” mode. Gen stays running despite full batteries, confirmed by battery voltage & using my refractometer. The only "gen trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW. Is there any conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an older system? I will be also changing out the Hub as well. Thoughts/suggestions > t...@swnl.net > mailto:t...@swnl.net%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::mailto:t...@swnl.net> > www.SWNL.net > http://www.swnl.net/%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::http://www.swnl.net/> > Solarwinds Northernlights >Serving Mid Coast Maine & Northern California > 207-832-7574 Cl. 610-517-8401 > > Blair "TUMP" May > MAINE'S CHARTER > NABCEP"Certified PV Installer" > > MAINE'S CHARTER > Trace Xantrex "Certified" Dealer / Installer" > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org