Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system
i get mine through vision metering (used to be austin international). refurbished, and programmed for seperate buy sell registers they are around $75.00 each. [https://visionmetering.3dcartstores.com/Vision-Meter-Form-12S-120V-Class-200_p_211.html] https://visionmetering.3dcartstores.com/Vision-Meter-Form-12S-120V-Class-200_p_211.html todd On Monday, August 20, 2012 6:39pm, James Jarvis j...@aprsworld.com said: Hi Todd, Where does one actually buy KV2C meters? We have been looking for the KV2C meters to use with the Modbus option, and nobody seems to be able to supply them. Thanks, -James Jarvis APRS World, LLC On 8/20/2012 8:37 PM, [mailto:toddc...@finestplanet.com] toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote: you will need two kv2c 'green tag' meters... one for each 120 volt leg. todd On Monday, August 20, 2012 9:15am, Hilton Dier III [mailto:hiltond...@gmail.com] hiltond...@gmail.com said: Hello Wrenches, Here's a metering conundrum for you. I have a client with a dual stacked Outback 3648 inverter panel and a PV array. He has been off-grid for years, but he is now going on-grid. He is getting the Outbacks rebuilt at the factory to be grid tie compatible. As per our local requirements, he needs a meter to read just the output of the inverter. The problem is that he has the whole house on the inverters, not just a vital loads panel. He wants to keep it that way. That gives him two separate outputs, AC Out to the main breaker panel and AC In(teractive) to the grid connection. If he just puts a meter on the AC In line, he will lose track of the inverter output that goes to power the house, and he'll get his output reduced by any grid-based charging he does. There is a green tag method of wiring the meter to avoid this, but it is designed for two single-leg 120VAC outputs and the stacked Outbacks are putting out 240VAC on two legs. Aside from dropping $600 on an e-Gauge, is there any way to get around this? Many thanks, Hilton -- Hilton Dier III Renewable Energy Design Partner, Solar Gain LLC 453 East Hill Rd. Middlesex, VT 05602 Sent from Finest Planet WebMail. ___List sponsored by Home Power magazineList Address: [mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org] re-wrenc...@lists.re-wrenches.orgOptions settings:[http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org] http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList-Archive: [http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org] http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList rules etiquette:[http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm] www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htmCheck out participant bios:[http://www.members.re-wrenches.org] www.members.re-wrenches.org Sent from Finest Planet WebMail. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system
Hello Wrenches, Here's a metering conundrum for you. I have a client with a dual stacked Outback 3648 inverter panel and a PV array. He has been off-grid for years, but he is now going on-grid. He is getting the Outbacks rebuilt at the factory to be grid tie compatible. As per our local requirements, he needs a meter to read just the output of the inverter. The problem is that he has the whole house on the inverters, not just a vital loads panel. He wants to keep it that way. That gives him two separate outputs, AC Out to the main breaker panel and AC In(teractive) to the grid connection. If he just puts a meter on the AC In line, he will lose track of the inverter output that goes to power the house, and he'll get his output reduced by any grid-based charging he does. There is a green tag method of wiring the meter to avoid this, but it is designed for two single-leg 120VAC outputs and the stacked Outbacks are putting out 240VAC on two legs. Aside from dropping $600 on an e-Gauge, is there any way to get around this? Many thanks, Hilton -- Hilton Dier III Renewable Energy Design Partner, Solar Gain LLC 453 East Hill Rd. Middlesex, VT 05602 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system
Hilton, I am metering an Outback Radian in this situation. I am using an Elkor meter with a pair of current transformers, but you can use and meter with CTs. Just feed the two AC lines from the main panel through the CTs to the AC in of the inverters, then run the wires coming from the inverters output, going to the sub-panel back through the same CTs, keeping the L1 and L2 in phase. This way the utility power cancels and you only read the inverters output. You get the sum of what goes to the grid and what is used kb the subpanel. It also subtracts what is used to float the batteries. I read my Elkor meter with a SolarLog monitor. David Katz Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Hilton Dier III hiltond...@gmail.com To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:15 am Hello Wrenches, Here's a metering conundrum for you. I have a client with a dual stacked Outback 3648 inverter panel and a PV array. He has been off-grid for years, but he is now going on-grid. He is getting the Outbacks rebuilt at the factory to be grid tie compatible. As per our local requirements, he needs a meter to read just the output of the inverter. The problem is that he has the whole house on the inverters, not just a vital loads panel. He wants to keep it that way. That gives him two separate outputs, AC Out to the main breaker panel and AC In(teractive) to the grid connection. If he just puts a meter on the AC In line, he will lose track of the inverter output that goes to power the house, and he'll get his output reduced by any grid-based charging he does. There is a green tag method of wiring the meter to avoid this, but it is designed for two single-leg 120VAC outputs and the stacked Outbacks are putting out 240VAC on two legs. Aside from dropping $600 on an e-Gauge, is there any way to get around this? Many thanks, Hilton -- Hilton Dier III Renewable Energy Design Partner, Solar Gain LLC 453 East Hill Rd. Middlesex, VT 05602 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system
Dave, Sounds like a great solution. We have an OB Radian net-metered PV with battery back-up coming up this fall. Where do we source an Elkor meter? Thanks, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com NABCEP Certified PV Installer Vermont Solar Partner 24 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Katz Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:48 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Hilton, I am metering an Outback Radian in this situation. I am using an Elkor meter with a pair of current transformers, but you can use and meter with CTs. Just feed the two AC lines from the main panel through the CTs to the AC in of the inverters, then run the wires coming from the inverters output, going to the sub-panel back through the same CTs, keeping the L1 and L2 in phase. This way the utility power cancels and you only read the inverters output. You get the sum of what goes to the grid and what is used kb the subpanel. It also subtracts what is used to float the batteries. I read my Elkor meter with a SolarLog monitor. David Katz Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Hilton Dier III hiltond...@gmail.com To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:15 am Hello Wrenches, Here's a metering conundrum for you. I have a client with a dual stacked Outback 3648 inverter panel and a PV array. He has been off-grid for years, but he is now going on-grid. He is getting the Outbacks rebuilt at the factory to be grid tie compatible. As per our local requirements, he needs a meter to read just the output of the inverter. The problem is that he has the whole house on the inverters, not just a vital loads panel. He wants to keep it that way. That gives him two separate outputs, AC Out to the main breaker panel and AC In(teractive) to the grid connection. If he just puts a meter on the AC In line, he will lose track of the inverter output that goes to power the house, and he'll get his output reduced by any grid-based charging he does. There is a green tag method of wiring the meter to avoid this, but it is designed for two single-leg 120VAC outputs and the stacked Outbacks are putting out 240VAC on two legs. Aside from dropping $600 on an e-Gauge, is there any way to get around this? Many thanks, Hilton -- Hilton Dier III Renewable Energy Design Partner, Solar Gain LLC 453 East Hill Rd. Middlesex, VT 05602 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system
I get them from SolarLog in Connecticut. David Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Dave Palumbo d...@independentpowerllc.com To: apos;RE-wrenchesapos; re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 1:06 pm Dave, Sounds like a great solution. We have an OB Radian net-metered PV with battery back-up coming up this fall. Where do we source an “Elkor” meter? Thanks, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com NABCEP Certified PV Installer Vermont Solar Partner 24 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Katz Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:48 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Hilton, I am metering an Outback Radian in this situation. I am using an Elkor meter with a pair of current transformers, but you can use and meter with CTs. Just feed the two AC lines from the main panel through the CTs to the AC in of the inverters, then run the wires coming from the inverters output, going to the sub-panel back through the same CTs, keeping the L1 and L2 in phase. This way the utility power cancels and you only read the inverters output. You get the sum of what goes to the grid and what is used kb the subpanel. It also subtracts what is used to float the batteries. I read my Elkor meter with a SolarLog monitor. David Katz Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Hilton Dier III hiltond...@gmail.commailto:hiltond...@gmail.com To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.orgmailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.orgmailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:15 am Hello Wrenches, Here's a metering conundrum for you. I have a client with a dual stacked Outback 3648 inverter panel and a PV array. He has been off-grid for years, but he is now going on-grid. He is getting the Outbacks rebuilt at the factory to be grid tie compatible. As per our local requirements, he needs a meter to read just the output of the inverter. The problem is that he has the whole house on the inverters, not just a vital loads panel. He wants to keep it that way. That gives him two separate outputs, AC Out to the main breaker panel and AC In(teractive) to the grid connection. If he just puts a meter on the AC In line, he will lose track of the inverter output that goes to power the house, and he'll get his output reduced by any grid-based charging he does. There is a green tag method of wiring the meter to avoid this, but it is designed for two single-leg 120VAC outputs and the stacked Outbacks are putting out 240VAC on two legs. Aside from dropping $600 on an e-Gauge, is there any way to get around this? Many thanks, Hilton -- Hilton Dier III Renewable Energy Design Partner, Solar Gain LLC 453 East Hill Rd. Middlesex, VT 05602 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system
An eGuage is a REALLY good way to do this so I would not dismiss it. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Hilton Dier III hiltond...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Wrenches, Here's a metering conundrum for you. I have a client with a dual stacked Outback 3648 inverter panel and a PV array. He has been off-grid for years, but he is now going on-grid. He is getting the Outbacks rebuilt at the factory to be grid tie compatible. As per our local requirements, he needs a meter to read just the output of the inverter. The problem is that he has the whole house on the inverters, not just a vital loads panel. He wants to keep it that way. That gives him two separate outputs, AC Out to the main breaker panel and AC In(teractive) to the grid connection. If he just puts a meter on the AC In line, he will lose track of the inverter output that goes to power the house, and he'll get his output reduced by any grid-based charging he does. There is a green tag method of wiring the meter to avoid this, but it is designed for two single-leg 120VAC outputs and the stacked Outbacks are putting out 240VAC on two legs. Aside from dropping $600 on an e-Gauge, is there any way to get around this? Many thanks, Hilton -- Hilton Dier III Renewable Energy Design Partner, Solar Gain LLC 453 East Hill Rd. Middlesex, VT 05602 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Chris Mason President, Comet Systems Ltd www.cometenergysystems.com Cell: 264.235.5670 Skype: netconcepts ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system
http://www.elkor.net/ I have purchased the kWh meter and remote display direct from Elkor in the past. -Glenn From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dave Palumbo Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 4:07 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Dave, Sounds like a great solution. We have an OB Radian net-metered PV with battery back-up coming up this fall. Where do we source an Elkor meter? Thanks, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com NABCEP Certified PV Installer Vermont Solar Partner 24 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Katz Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:48 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Hilton, I am metering an Outback Radian in this situation. I am using an Elkor meter with a pair of current transformers, but you can use and meter with CTs. Just feed the two AC lines from the main panel through the CTs to the AC in of the inverters, then run the wires coming from the inverters output, going to the sub-panel back through the same CTs, keeping the L1 and L2 in phase. This way the utility power cancels and you only read the inverters output. You get the sum of what goes to the grid and what is used kb the subpanel. It also subtracts what is used to float the batteries. I read my Elkor meter with a SolarLog monitor. David Katz Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Hilton Dier III hiltond...@gmail.com To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:15 am Hello Wrenches, Here's a metering conundrum for you. I have a client with a dual stacked Outback 3648 inverter panel and a PV array. He has been off-grid for years, but he is now going on-grid. He is getting the Outbacks rebuilt at the factory to be grid tie compatible. As per our local requirements, he needs a meter to read just the output of the inverter. The problem is that he has the whole house on the inverters, not just a vital loads panel. He wants to keep it that way. That gives him two separate outputs, AC Out to the main breaker panel and AC In(teractive) to the grid connection. If he just puts a meter on the AC In line, he will lose track of the inverter output that goes to power the house, and he'll get his output reduced by any grid-based charging he does. There is a green tag method of wiring the meter to avoid this, but it is designed for two single-leg 120VAC outputs and the stacked Outbacks are putting out 240VAC on two legs. Aside from dropping $600 on an e-Gauge, is there any way to get around this? Many thanks, Hilton -- Hilton Dier III Renewable Energy Design Partner, Solar Gain LLC 453 East Hill Rd. Middlesex, VT 05602 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering a whole house Outback system
you will need two kv2c 'green tag' meters... one for each 120 volt leg. todd On Monday, August 20, 2012 9:15am, Hilton Dier III hiltond...@gmail.com said: Hello Wrenches, Here's a metering conundrum for you. I have a client with a dual stacked Outback 3648 inverter panel and a PV array. He has been off-grid for years, but he is now going on-grid. He is getting the Outbacks rebuilt at the factory to be grid tie compatible. As per our local requirements, he needs a meter to read just the output of the inverter. The problem is that he has the whole house on the inverters, not just a vital loads panel. He wants to keep it that way. That gives him two separate outputs, AC Out to the main breaker panel and AC In(teractive) to the grid connection. If he just puts a meter on the AC In line, he will lose track of the inverter output that goes to power the house, and he'll get his output reduced by any grid-based charging he does. There is a green tag method of wiring the meter to avoid this, but it is designed for two single-leg 120VAC outputs and the stacked Outbacks are putting out 240VAC on two legs. Aside from dropping $600 on an e-Gauge, is there any way to get around this? Many thanks, Hilton -- Hilton Dier IIIRenewable Energy DesignPartner, Solar Gain LLC453 East Hill Rd.Middlesex, VT 05602 Sent from Finest Planet WebMail. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
