Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-28 Thread Andrew Perkins via RE-wrenches
I have been selling Goodwe, seems pretty decent so far, next best thing price 
wise of a good ol SMA. The only issue is they have a 5kw as their smallest but 
its pretty decently priced. They have a built in tigo transmitter too. 


Andrew Perkins

Greenwired

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 On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 04:09:30 -0800 Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches 
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Fronius.

Solis



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Friends:

 

Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble 
finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a 
ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I can 
imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery capability, 
now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues and the 
inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is needed.

 

My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one for 
sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available.

 

What might you recommend for this new installation?

 

This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have out 
there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with? 

 

The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very expensive 
and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery capabilities.

 

I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and add 
optimizers.

 

I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word Arc in 
its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or any of the 
other complexities.

 

Any advice is appreciated.

 

William

 

Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

tel:805-438-5600

http://www.millersolar.com/

CA Lic. 773985

 

 





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Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-23 Thread Bradley Bassett via RE-wrenches
Growatt MIN. They're capable of battery connection but work fine as a
string inverter at a decent price.

Brad

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 4:09 AM Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Fronius.
> Solis
>
> -Glenn
> Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.
>
> -- Original message--
> *From: *William Miller via RE-wrenches
> *Date: *Thu, Feb 22, 2024 6:56 PM
> *To: *RE-wrenches;
> *Cc: *William Miller;
> *Subject:*[RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?
>
> Friends:
>
>
>
> Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble
> finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a
> ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I
> can imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery
> capability, now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues
> and the inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is
> needed.
>
>
>
> My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one
> for sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available.
>
>
>
> What might you recommend for this new installation?
>
>
>
> This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have
> out there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with?
>
>
>
> The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very
> expensive and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery
> capabilities.
>
>
>
> I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and
> add optimizers.
>
>
>
> I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word
> Arc in its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or
> any of the other complexities.
>
>
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-23 Thread Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches
Fronius.Solis-GlennSent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and 
spelling errors.-- Original message--From: William Miller via 
RE-wrenchesDate: Thu, Feb 22, 2024 6:56 PMTo: RE-wrenches;Cc: William 
Miller;Subject:[RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?Friends: Now 
that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble finding 
a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a ground mount 
with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I can imagine that 
does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery capability, now or in the 
future.  The project does not have shading issues and the inverter will be 
mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is needed. My usual go-to would be 
the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one for sale and I am getting 
the impression these are no longer available. What might you recommend for this 
new installation? This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy 
 installations
 I  have out there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it 
with?   The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very 
expensive and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery 
capabilities. I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete 
array and add optimizers. I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it 
includes the word Arc in its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC 
load center or any of the other complexities. Any advice is appreciated. 
William Miller Solar17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 
93422805-438-5600www.millersolar.comCA Lic. 773985  ___
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-22 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
Friends:



Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help.  I know it takes time to
reply to this list, time that can’t be monetized.



So here are the options, as I see it:



SolarLovesYou.com:  Interesting site.  It’s like a museum in there.  A
refurbished inverter is a great idea for a legacy install with old panels
and wiring. I can’t offer refurbished for a new install with the warranty
required.



Tesla:  This is a personal opinion, but I find Elon Musk to be a
reprehensible person and it would be very hard for me to bring myself to
put one penny in his pocket.  I also thought you had to be Tesla certified
to access Tesla products and that would be a non-starter for me.



Fronius:  It would also be hard for me to purchase a Fronius.  We installed
maybe 20 of the IG series and most of them failed multiple times.  Fronius
staff disparaged me to clients behind my back.  Fronius would not send me
warranty replacement parts unless I gave them my credit card number, which
I refused on principal (I never once failed to return cores).  We lost work
because of the problems and conflicts.  The product, the people and the
policies may be better now, but the bitterness remains.  (It is interesting
that many of you have described positive experiences with Fronius.  This is
like the thread about lithium off-grid:  There were those adamantly against
it and others much the opposite.  The only way I can explain the disparity
of experiences with Fronius is that many of our failures where at sites
within a few miles of the coast and the IG series has flow through
ventilation and visibly thin or missing PCB coating.)



The new SMA hybrid:  Like I said, expensive and with a lot of unnecessary
parts.  The release date keeps getting pushed back so who knows when they
will ship.



Goodwe:  One of my suppliers recommended the GoodWe A-MS Series GW7600A-MS
7.6kW.  I have taken a cursory look and this may be the choice.



Its soon since I posted my question, maybe more options will come to light.



Thanks again everyone.



William





PS:  There was a section in the 2011 code (690.35) that indicates that if
you upgrade from a transformer based inverter the wiring has to either be
PV rated or in a conduit.  That section disappeared but the recollection
reminds me to inspect wiring in older systems before replacing inverters.



Wm



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985





*From:* August Goers [mailto:aug...@luminalt.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 4:55 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Cc:* will...@millersolar.com; Jay
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?



The last I checked, Fronius's inverters were not compatible with current CA
smart grid requirements, so won't be approved to connect to the grid, so be
careful there. Maybe they have new models now?



Tesla's 7.6 kW PV inverter is good, affordable, and can be installed
without MLPE. It also has 4 independent MPPTs and can be software derated
to lower AC values if necessary for the 120% rule. I believe BayWa and
Greentech are distributing these inverters.



https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/solar-inverter/tesla-solar-inverter



Best,



August







On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 4:46 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

Hi william



Fronius 7.6 kw are in stock.



I’ve installed a number of fronius with no issues.



Jay



On Feb 22, 2024, at 4:56 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:



Friends:



Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble
finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a
ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I
can imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery
capability, now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues
and the inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is
needed.



My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one
for sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available.



What might you recommend for this new installation?



This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have
out there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with?



The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very
expensive and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery
capabilities.



I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and
add optimizers.



I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word Arc
in its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or any
of the other complexities.



Any advice is appreciated.



William



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA

Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-22 Thread Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches
The new SMA is a great option multi string, name brand, will be available
soon (april) and they are taking orders now. Forward compliant.
Jerry

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 3:56 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Friends:
>
>
>
> Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble
> finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a
> ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I
> can imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery
> capability, now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues
> and the inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is
> needed.
>
>
>
> My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one
> for sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available.
>
>
>
> What might you recommend for this new installation?
>
>
>
> This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have
> out there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with?
>
>
>
> The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very
> expensive and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery
> capabilities.
>
>
>
> I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and
> add optimizers.
>
>
>
> I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word
> Arc in its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or
> any of the other complexities.
>
>
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-22 Thread Scot Arey via RE-wrenches
Fronius Primo are great and up to 15kw 240v version.

 

From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of 
William Miller via RE-wrenches
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 5:51 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Cc: William Miller 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

 

Friends:

 

Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble 
finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a 
ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I can 
imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery capability, 
now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues and the 
inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is needed.

 

My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one for 
sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available.

 

What might you recommend for this new installation?

 

This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have out 
there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with?  

 

The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very expensive 
and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery capabilities.

 

I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and add 
optimizers.

 

I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word Arc in 
its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or any of the 
other complexities.

 

Any advice is appreciated.

 

William

 

Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com <http://www.millersolar.com/> 

CA Lic. 773985

 

 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-22 Thread August Goers via RE-wrenches
The last I checked, Fronius's inverters were not compatible with current CA
smart grid requirements, so won't be approved to connect to the grid, so be
careful there. Maybe they have new models now?

Tesla's 7.6 kW PV inverter is good, affordable, and can be installed
without MLPE. It also has 4 independent MPPTs and can be software derated
to lower AC values if necessary for the 120% rule. I believe BayWa and
Greentech are distributing these inverters.

https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/solar-inverter/tesla-solar-inverter

Best,

August




On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 4:46 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi william
>
> Fronius 7.6 kw are in stock.
>
> I’ve installed a number of fronius with no issues.
>
> Jay
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 4:56 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Friends:
>
>
>
> Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble
> finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a
> ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I
> can imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery
> capability, now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues
> and the inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is
> needed.
>
>
>
> My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one
> for sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available.
>
>
>
> What might you recommend for this new installation?
>
>
>
> This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have
> out there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with?
>
>
>
> The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very
> expensive and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery
> capabilities.
>
>
>
> I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and
> add optimizers.
>
>
>
> I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word
> Arc in its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or
> any of the other complexities.
>
>
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-22 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
Hi williamFronius 7.6 kw are in stock. I’ve installed a number of fronius with no issues. JayOn Feb 22, 2024, at 4:56 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches  wrote:Friends: Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I can imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery capability, now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues and the inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is needed. My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one for sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available. What might you recommend for this new installation? This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have out there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with?   The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very expensive and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery capabilities. I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and add optimizers. I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word Arc in its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or any of the other complexities. Any advice is appreciated. William Miller Solar17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422805-438-5600www.millersolar.comCA Lic. 773985  
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-22 Thread Dave Lee via RE-wrenches
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On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 3:56 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Friends:
>
>
>
> Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble
> finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a
> ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I
> can imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery
> capability, now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues
> and the inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is
> needed.
>
>
>
> My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one
> for sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available.
>
>
>
> What might you recommend for this new installation?
>
>
>
> This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have
> out there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with?
>
>
>
> The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very
> expensive and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery
> capabilities.
>
>
>
> I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and
> add optimizers.
>
>
>
> I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word
> Arc in its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or
> any of the other complexities.
>
>
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
>
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[RE-wrenches] Non-battery string inverter options?

2024-02-22 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
Friends:



Now that RSS is required on almost every installation, I am having trouble
finding a plain old, non-battery, non-MLPE string inverter.  This is for a
ground mount with the inverter mounted to the rack-- the only scenario I
can imagine that does not require RSS.  I don’t need or want battery
capability, now or in the future.  The project does not have shading issues
and the inverter will be mounted on the array, so no version of MLPE is
needed.



My usual go-to would be the legacy SMA Sunny Boy series.  I can’t dine one
for sale and I am getting the impression these are no longer available.



What might you recommend for this new installation?



This brings up the question:  Of all the Sunny Boy installations I  have
out there, the next time one fails, what am I going to replace it with?



The new Sunny Boy Smarty-Pants series is not yet shipping, it is very
expensive and to replace a grid-connected inverter I don’t need battery
capabilities.



I can’t use Solar Edge because I won’t want to unwire a complete array and
add optimizers.



I am not that taken with Sol-Ark, not only because it includes the word Arc
in its name.  I don’t need the battery capabilities, AC load center or any
of the other complexities.



Any advice is appreciated.



William



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985
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