Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[toddcory]

"But the transformers are dedicated to the dc voltage and are not 
interchangeable between the 12, 24, and 48 volt inverters.  The turn ratios are 
different."

This is valuable information Lones... thank you for stepping in and clarifying 
this. 
 
Todd
 
 
 


On Monday, March 9, 2020 10:08am, "Lones Tuss"  said:




Hello All
I will try to answer the original question then address the added concerns.
 
Question
Can I use an original Mate (rather than a Mate3) to set up basic programming 
with a R series inverter, such as charger and LBCO settings?
 
No the FXRs require a Mate3(s) for programming.
 
Question
Can A hub 4 be used with an FXR inverter?
 
It depends, you can use a single FXR  or paralleled  inverters (120) with a HUB 
4
but you cannot Series Stack (120/240) or 3phase stack (120/208) with a Hub 4
 
Question
my suggestion here for others too. Outback still makes and sells the 3 circuit 
boards for the FX series of inverters (i just bought a spare set for our 
GVFX3648 for ~$800.00).
 
Yes all three PCBs are available for the FX inverters.
But the transformers are dedicated to the dc voltage and are not 
interchangeable between the 12, 24, and 48 volt inverters.  The turn ratios are 
different.
 
Below is a link to several whitepapers located on the OutBack Website 
concerning various battery chemistries .
[ http://www.outbackpower.com/resources/documents/app-notes ]( 
http://www.outbackpower.com/resources/documents/app-notes )
 
 
I hope this helps
 
 
 
From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of John 
Blittersdorf
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:10 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question
 


Todd, 

  So is it that the control board and FET board are voltage specific, 
control board also grid tie or off grid specific, AC board common to all and 
Transformer common to all?  I was unsure about the transformer as I have found 
most that I see with some indication of voltage written on the transformer.  
Probably notes to the reassembler?  It makes sense that all 120vac inverters 
would have the same transformer.  This is a good thread to clear up how simple 
it is to mix And match at your pleasure to make what you need from the retired 
FX Series inverters.  I’ve been buying new boards Fron Zonna. Are there other 
sources?

 

 


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:28 AM <[ toddc...@finestplanet.com ]( 
mailto:toddc...@finestplanet.com )> wrote:
I wrote to Allan off list, but will mention my suggestion here for others too. 
Outback still makes and sells the 3 circuit boards for the FX series of 
inverters (i just bought a spare set for our GVFX3648 for ~$800.00). 

 Changing 2 of the 3 cards would make this into a 48 volt inverter. The same 
mate would work with this and as well as the mounts and wiring. only the 
batteries would need changing to 48 volts. The cost would be around $500.00.
 
Todd
 
 


 On Monday, March 9, 2020 4:23am, "John Blittersdorf" <[ 
john.blittersd...@gmail.com ]( mailto:john.blittersd...@gmail.com )> said:



Alan,

  It appears to me that everyone miss read your question.  If your customer 
does not need a generator, then his solar charge controller needs to be able to 
be set up for the lithium battery voltage settings.  So the inverter simply 
needs to be 48 volts and has nothing to do with charging battery.  You could 
use any 48 volt inverter and use the MATE. The inverter would only provide LBCO 
to protect the battery.  As far as a used VFX 3648 contact me off list.

John Blittersdorf

 


On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 8:20 PM Sindelar Solar <[ al...@sindelarsolar.com ]( 
mailto:al...@sindelarsolar.com )> wrote:

Wrenches,
I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that has 
an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion LiFePo 
battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked without any 
issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough array to equalize 
his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or needed a Mate. If I 
upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely be an FXR3048. First 
question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a Mate3) to set up basic 
programming with a R series inverter, such as charger and LBCO settings? 
Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648 for sale, if the answer to the 
first question is no?
Thank you, 
Allan

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[Lones Tuss]

Hello All
I will try to answer the original question then address the added concerns.

Question
Can I use an original Mate (rather than a Mate3) to set up basic programming 
with a R series inverter, such as charger and LBCO settings?

No the FXRs require a Mate3(s) for programming.

Question
Can A hub 4 be used with an FXR inverter?

It depends, you can use a single FXR  or paralleled  inverters (120) with a HUB 
4
but you cannot Series Stack (120/240) or 3phase stack (120/208) with a Hub 4

Question
my suggestion here for others too. Outback still makes and sells the 3 circuit 
boards for the FX series of inverters (i just bought a spare set for our 
GVFX3648 for ~$800.00).

Yes all three PCBs are available for the FX inverters.
But the transformers are dedicated to the dc voltage and are not 
interchangeable between the 12, 24, and 48 volt inverters.  The turn ratios are 
different.

Below is a link to several whitepapers located on the OutBack Website 
concerning various battery chemistries .
http://www.outbackpower.com/resources/documents/app-notes

I hope this helps



From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of John 
Blittersdorf
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:10 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

Todd,
  So is it that the control board and FET board are voltage specific, 
control board also grid tie or off grid specific, AC board common to all and 
Transformer common to all?  I was unsure about the transformer as I have found 
most that I see with some indication of voltage written on the transformer.  
Probably notes to the reassembler?  It makes sense that all 120vac inverters 
would have the same transformer.  This is a good thread to clear up how simple 
it is to mix And match at your pleasure to make what you need from the retired 
FX Series inverters.  I’ve been buying new boards Fron Zonna. Are there other 
sources?


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:28 AM 
mailto:toddc...@finestplanet.com>> wrote:

I wrote to Allan off list, but will mention my suggestion here for others too. 
Outback still makes and sells the 3 circuit boards for the FX series of 
inverters (i just bought a spare set for our GVFX3648 for ~$800.00).

Changing 2 of the 3 cards would make this into a 48 volt inverter. The same 
mate would work with this and as well as the mounts and wiring. only the 
batteries would need changing to 48 volts. The cost would be around $500.00.



Todd






On Monday, March 9, 2020 4:23am, "John Blittersdorf" 
mailto:john.blittersd...@gmail.com>> said:
Alan,
  It appears to me that everyone miss read your question.  If your customer 
does not need a generator, then his solar charge controller needs to be able to 
be set up for the lithium battery voltage settings.  So the inverter simply 
needs to be 48 volts and has nothing to do with charging battery.  You could 
use any 48 volt inverter and use the MATE. The inverter would only provide LBCO 
to protect the battery.  As far as a used VFX 3648 contact me off list.
John Blittersdorf

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 8:20 PM Sindelar Solar 
mailto:al...@sindelarsolar.com>> wrote:

Wrenches,

I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that has 
an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion LiFePo 
battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked without any 
issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough array to equalize 
his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or needed a Mate. If I 
upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely be an FXR3048. First 
question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a Mate3) to set up basic 
programming with a R series inverter, such as charger and LBCO settings? 
Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648 for sale, if the answer to the 
first question is no?

Thank you,

Allan
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New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[John Blittersdorf]

Todd,
  So is it that the control board and FET board are voltage specific,
control board also grid tie or off grid specific, AC board common to all
and Transformer common to all?  I was unsure about the transformer as I
have found most that I see with some indication of voltage written on the
transformer.  Probably notes to the reassembler?  It makes sense that all
120vac inverters would have the same transformer.  This is a good thread to
clear up how simple it is to mix And match at your pleasure to make what
you need from the retired FX Series inverters.  I’ve been buying new boards
Fron Zonna. Are there other sources?


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:

> I wrote to Allan off list, but will mention my suggestion here for others
> too. Outback still makes and sells the 3 circuit boards for the FX series
> of inverters (i just bought a spare set for our GVFX3648 for ~$800.00).
>
> Changing 2 of the 3 cards would make this into a 48 volt inverter. The
> same mate would work with this and as well as the mounts and wiring. only
> the batteries would need changing to 48 volts. The cost would be around
> $500.00.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 9, 2020 4:23am, "John Blittersdorf" <
> john.blittersd...@gmail.com> said:
>
> Alan,
>   It appears to me that everyone miss read your question.  If your
> customer does not need a generator, then his solar charge controller needs
> to be able to be set up for the lithium battery voltage settings.  So the
> inverter simply needs to be 48 volts and has nothing to do with charging
> battery.  You could use any 48 volt inverter and use the MATE. The inverter
> would only provide LBCO to protect the battery.  As far as a used VFX 3648
> contact me off list.
> John Blittersdorf
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 8:20 PM Sindelar Solar 
> wrote:
>
>> Wrenches,
>>
>> I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that
>> has an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion
>> LiFePo battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked
>> without any issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough
>> array to equalize his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or
>> needed a Mate. If I upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely
>> be an FXR3048. First question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a
>> Mate3) to set up basic programming with a R series inverter, such as
>> charger and LBCO settings? Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648
>> for sale, if the answer to the first question is no?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Allan
>> --
>>
>> *Allan Sindelar*
>> al...@sindelarsolar.com
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>> New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
>> Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.
>> *505 780-2738 cell*
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[toddcory]

I wrote to Allan off list, but will mention my suggestion here for others too. 
Outback still makes and sells the 3 circuit boards for the FX series of 
inverters (i just bought a spare set for our GVFX3648 for ~$800.00). 

Changing 2 of the 3 cards would make this into a 48 volt inverter. The same 
mate would work with this and as well as the mounts and wiring. only the 
batteries would need changing to 48 volts. The cost would be around $500.00.
 
Todd
 
 


On Monday, March 9, 2020 4:23am, "John Blittersdorf" 
 said:




Alan,
  It appears to me that everyone miss read your question.  If your customer 
does not need a generator, then his solar charge controller needs to be able to 
be set up for the lithium battery voltage settings.  So the inverter simply 
needs to be 48 volts and has nothing to do with charging battery.  You could 
use any 48 volt inverter and use the MATE. The inverter would only provide LBCO 
to protect the battery.  As far as a used VFX 3648 contact me off list.
John Blittersdorf



On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 8:20 PM Sindelar Solar <[ al...@sindelarsolar.com ]( 
mailto:al...@sindelarsolar.com )> wrote:

Wrenches,
I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that has 
an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion LiFePo 
battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked without any 
issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough array to equalize 
his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or needed a Mate. If I 
upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely be an FXR3048. First 
question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a Mate3) to set up basic 
programming with a R series inverter, such as charger and LBCO settings? 
Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648 for sale, if the answer to the 
first question is no?
Thank you, 
Allan
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[John Blittersdorf]

Alan,
  It appears to me that everyone miss read your question.  If your customer
does not need a generator, then his solar charge controller needs to be
able to be set up for the lithium battery voltage settings.  So the
inverter simply needs to be 48 volts and has nothing to do with charging
battery.  You could use any 48 volt inverter and use the MATE. The inverter
would only provide LBCO to protect the battery.  As far as a used VFX 3648
contact me off list.

John Blittersdorf


On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 8:20 PM Sindelar Solar 
wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
> I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that
> has an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion
> LiFePo battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked
> without any issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough
> array to equalize his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or
> needed a Mate. If I upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely
> be an FXR3048. First question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a
> Mate3) to set up basic programming with a R series inverter, such as
> charger and LBCO settings? Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648
> for sale, if the answer to the first question is no?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Allan
> --
>
> *Allan Sindelar*
> al...@sindelarsolar.com
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
> New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
> Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.
> *505 780-2738 cell*
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[Jay]

If the issue is high quality lithium batteries, I’d recommend 
Rolls/discover 

https://rollsbattery.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/S24-2800LFP.pdf

They make a 24v version that will work just fine with a fx inverter. 

Jay

Peltz Power. 



> On Mar 8, 2020, at 4:32 PM, Kirk Herander  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I have just done exactly what you plan to do, that is install blue ion 
> batteries in an existing off grid 48 vdc System. In my opinion you really do 
> need a mate 3S the Mate3 will work but there is potential for 
> self-destruction. You definitely cannot use an older hub. it Has to be a 10.3 
> with the FXR series of inverters.
> Please contact me off list for more info. I replaced the 10-year-old FX ‘s at 
> this site with FXR’s and they are available. they are 3648’s.
> 
> Kirk Herander
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Sindelar Solar  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Wrenches,
>> 
>> I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that 
>> has an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion LiFePo 
>> battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked without 
>> any issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough array to 
>> equalize his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or needed a 
>> Mate. If I upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely be an 
>> FXR3048. First question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a Mate3) to 
>> set up basic programming with a R series inverter, such as charger and LBCO 
>> settings? Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648 for sale, if the 
>> answer to the first question is no?
>> 
>> Thank you, 
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> -- 
>> Allan Sindelar
>> al...@sindelarsolar.com
>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>> New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
>> Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.
>> 505 780-2738 cell
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[Kirk Herander]

Hi Alan,
I have just done exactly what you plan to do, that is install blue ion 
batteries in an existing off grid 48 vdc System. In my opinion you really do 
need a mate 3S the Mate3 will work but there is potential for self-destruction. 
You definitely cannot use an older hub. it Has to be a 10.3 with the FXR series 
of inverters.
Please contact me off list for more info. I replaced the 10-year-old FX ‘s at 
this site with FXR’s and they are available. they are 3648’s.

Kirk Herander


> On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Sindelar Solar  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wrenches,
> 
> I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that has 
> an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion LiFePo 
> battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked without 
> any issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough array to 
> equalize his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or needed a 
> Mate. If I upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely be an 
> FXR3048. First question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a Mate3) to 
> set up basic programming with a R series inverter, such as charger and LBCO 
> settings? Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648 for sale, if the 
> answer to the first question is no?
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> Allan
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[Jay]

Hi Allan,

FXR requires mate3S

Jay

> On Mar 7, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Sindelar Solar  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wrenches,
> 
> I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that has 
> an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion LiFePo 
> battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked without 
> any issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough array to 
> equalize his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or needed a 
> Mate. If I upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely be an 
> FXR3048. First question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a Mate3) to 
> set up basic programming with a R series inverter, such as charger and LBCO 
> settings? Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648 for sale, if the 
> answer to the first question is no?
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> Allan
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[Jerry Shafer]

Have you price compared the 3648 FX to the 4048 Radian
Jerry

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 5:20 PM Sindelar Solar  wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
> I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system that
> has an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48Vnom in order to use a Blue Ion
> LiFePo battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has worked
> without any issues. The client has never had a generator and has enough
> array to equalize his FLA batteries with array only, so has never had or
> needed a Mate. If I upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will most likely
> be an FXR3048. First question: Can I use an original Mate (rather than a
> Mate3) to set up basic programming with a R series inverter, such as
> charger and LBCO settings? Second: anyone have an older FX3048 or VFX3648
> for sale, if the answer to the first question is no?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Allan
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[RE-wrenches] Outback VFX upgrade question

[Sindelar Solar]

Wrenches,

I have a client who is looking at upgrading an older off grid system 
that has an Outback VFX3524 inverter to 48V_nom in order to use a Blue 
Ion LiFePo battery. I installed the VFX about ten years ago and it has 
worked without any issues. The client has never had a generator and has 
enough array to equalize his FLA batteries with array only, so has never 
had or needed a Mate. If I upgrade to 48V with a new inverter, it will 
most likely be an FXR3048. First question: Can I use an original Mate 
(rather than a Mate3) to set up basic programming with a R series 
inverter, such as charger and LBCO settings? Second: anyone have an 
older FX3048 or VFX3648 for sale, if the answer to the first question is no?


Thank you,

Allan

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