Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback efficiency?

2013-08-18 Thread jay peltz
Hi Ray,

#1, I don't see any improvement. But then I find it rarely used anymore with 
many small loads ( cell phone chargers etc), coupled with cyclic loads and 4 
watt LED's etc.
Its got to be a really small system to have this be active.
I find that if people really want to use this that I'll wire up the remote 
on/off and they can use that from their bed at night.

#2.  It depends on how they measure the efficiency.  Since the no load is 
around 20 watts, if you have a 20 watt load, that makes a efficiency of like 
50%, not including the inverter loss's of 6-10% which isn't really helpful in 
any sort of calculations.
I usually use 90% ish ( I think they publish 94% as peak eff.)  as my INV 
design efficiency ( sometimes it'll be lower, sometimes higher), and then add 
in the idle watts x 24 hrs day.

Hope this helps,

jay

peltz power

On Aug 18, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Ray Walters wrote:

> I have a couple of Outback questions.  On my load analysis sheet, I include 
> 20 w x 24hr/ day for the inverter's no load draw.
> In the past I had very poor luck with the search mode on most inverters, and 
> found that when I adjusted it so that it came on with efficient lighting, 
> that the no load draw was still 15 watts.  I've just taken to disabling 
> search mode, and add more modules.
> So question 1: has the search mode been improved in the past 5 years?
> question 2:  Is the no load draw most of the efficiency losses, so could I 
> set inverter total efficiency to say 98%, while keeping the 480 wh/ day  
> inverter draw?  I don't want to overstate or understate the inverter losses.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> R.Ray Walters
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Solar Design Engineer
> 303 505-8760
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[RE-wrenches] Outback efficiency?

2013-08-18 Thread Ray Walters
I have a couple of Outback questions.  On my load analysis sheet, I 
include 20 w x 24hr/ day for the inverter's no load draw.
In the past I had very poor luck with the search mode on most inverters, 
and found that when I adjusted it so that it came on with efficient 
lighting, that the no load draw was still 15 watts.  I've just taken to 
disabling search mode, and add more modules.

So question 1: has the search mode been improved in the past 5 years?
question 2:  Is the no load draw most of the efficiency losses, so could 
I set inverter total efficiency to say 98%, while keeping the 480 wh/ 
day  inverter draw?  I don't want to overstate or understate the 
inverter losses.


Thanks,

--
R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

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