Re: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure
Hi Peter, There are some hi end units that are really nice. Takagi, Rennai are the two that come to mind that are really amazing. They have digital remote controlls and are are designed to mounted outside, which saves a lot of interior space, cost of reworking the flue etc. Jay Peltz power On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Peter Parrish wrote: We are getting ready to install a SDHW system for a customer and we looked at a number of things regarding his current set up. I just posted a question about tankless heaters but I wanted this query to be a separate one. The customer’s mains water pressure is 88 psi on a Saturday afternoon and some time over the next 18 hours, the pressure went as high as 96 psi. I understand that 80 psi is the high end of the safe range in general and that 96 psi on a regular basis can/will damage valves and possibly trigger T&P valves on water heaters. At the recommendation of a plumber I know I looked into pressure reducers, specifically the Wilkins/Zurn line. All the Wilkins regulators produce zero pressure drop at zero flow. What good are these products in protecting plumbing systems from high mains pressures at night when pressures tend to be the highest and usage is at a minimum or even zero? Are there products that will prevent system pressures from exceeding a set point (e.g. 60 psi) under any flow condition including zero? - Peter Peter T. Parrish, President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure
Great! I was looking at their Model 70 Spec sheet. I will go back and read the specs on the Model 70 as well as the Model 500 more carefully. - Peter Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Freitas Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:42 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure All of the pressure reducers I have seen work at no pressure - I think you are misreading the specification sheet - the zero drop at zero flow is referring to pressure drop due to flow - not due to the function of the regulator - its sort of like zero voltage drop at zero amps. The spec sheet on the Wilkins model 500 does say "The assembly shall be of the balanced piston design and shall reduce pressure in both flow and no-flow conditions." I don't think they would sell many if they didn't reduce the pressure under no-flow conditions. Christopher Christopher Freitas Director of Research and Development OutBack Power Systems, Inc. <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel 360 435 6030 Cell 360 202 4239 19009 62nd Ave NE Arlington WA 98223 USA <http://www.outbackpower.com/> www.outbackpower.com _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Parrish Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:22 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure We are getting ready to install a SDHW system for a customer and we looked at a number of things regarding his current set up. I just posted a question about tankless heaters but I wanted this query to be a separate one. The customer's mains water pressure is 88 psi on a Saturday afternoon and some time over the next 18 hours, the pressure went as high as 96 psi. I understand that 80 psi is the high end of the safe range in general and that 96 psi on a regular basis can/will damage valves and possibly trigger T&P valves on water heaters. At the recommendation of a plumber I know I looked into pressure reducers, specifically the Wilkins/Zurn line. All the Wilkins regulators produce zero pressure drop at zero flow. What good are these products in protecting plumbing systems from high mains pressures at night when pressures tend to be the highest and usage is at a minimum or even zero? Are there products that will prevent system pressures from exceeding a set point (e.g. 60 psi) under any flow condition including zero? - Peter Peter T. Parrish, President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] MESSAGE CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communication Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2521, is confidential, and may also be protected by attorney-client or other privilege. If you believe that it has been sent to you in error, please do not read it. If you are not the intended recipient,you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure
All of the pressure reducers I have seen work at no pressure - I think you are misreading the specification sheet - the zero drop at zero flow is referring to pressure drop due to flow - not due to the function of the regulator - its sort of like zero voltage drop at zero amps... The spec sheet on the Wilkins model 500 does say "The assembly shall be of the balanced piston design and shall reduce pressure in both flow and no-flow conditions." I don't think they would sell many if they didn't reduce the pressure under no-flow conditions. Christopher Christopher Freitas Director of Research and Development OutBack Power Systems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tel 360 435 6030 Cell 360 202 4239 19009 62nd Ave NE Arlington WA 98223 USA www.outbackpower.com <http://www.outbackpower.com/> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Parrish Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:22 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure We are getting ready to install a SDHW system for a customer and we looked at a number of things regarding his current set up. I just posted a question about tankless heaters but I wanted this query to be a separate one. The customer's mains water pressure is 88 psi on a Saturday afternoon and some time over the next 18 hours, the pressure went as high as 96 psi. I understand that 80 psi is the high end of the safe range in general and that 96 psi on a regular basis can/will damage valves and possibly trigger T&P valves on water heaters. At the recommendation of a plumber I know I looked into pressure reducers, specifically the Wilkins/Zurn line. All the Wilkins regulators produce zero pressure drop at zero flow. What good are these products in protecting plumbing systems from high mains pressures at night when pressures tend to be the highest and usage is at a minimum or even zero? Are there products that will prevent system pressures from exceeding a set point (e.g. 60 psi) under any flow condition including zero? - Peter Peter T. Parrish, President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] MESSAGE CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communication Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2521, is confidential, and may also be protected by attorney-client or other privilege. If you believe that it has been sent to you in error, please do not read it. If you are not the intended recipient,you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure
Dean, Thanks for the info on the tankless water heater. However, when I looked up the specs on the Watts regulator, I found the same behavior: zero pressure drop at zero flow. So the Watts regulator will not solve the problem of high water pressure at night (when there is zero or very little flow). Anyone else know of a control unit that can limit the water pressure (to say 60 psi) on the customer side under all flow conditions (including zero)? - Peter Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean T. Newberry Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:18 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure Hello Peter, You want a Watts Regulator. Here's the link: http://www.watts.com/pro/_products_sub.asp?catId=64 <http://www.watts.com/pro/_products_sub.asp?catId=64&parCat=285> &parCat=285 Good Luck Peter Parrish wrote: We are getting ready to install a SDHW system for a customer and we looked at a number of things regarding his current set up. I just posted a question about tankless heaters but I wanted this query to be a separate one. The customer's mains water pressure is 88 psi on a Saturday afternoon and some time over the next 18 hours, the pressure went as high as 96 psi. I understand that 80 psi is the high end of the safe range in general and that 96 psi on a regular basis can/will damage valves and possibly trigger T&P valves on water heaters. At the recommendation of a plumber I know I looked into pressure reducers, specifically the Wilkins/Zurn line. All the Wilkins regulators produce zero pressure drop at zero flow. What good are these products in protecting plumbing systems from high mains pressures at night when pressures tend to be the highest and usage is at a minimum or even zero? Are there products that will prevent system pressures from exceeding a set point (e.g. 60 psi) under any flow condition including zero? - Peter Peter T. Parrish, President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Dean T. Newberry Talbott Solar & Radiant Homes Inc. 430 D Street Davis, CA 95616 T: 530 219-3606 F: 530 758-8187 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.TalbottSolar.com/ http://www.TalbottRadiant.com/ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure
Hello Peter, You want a Watts Regulator. Here's the link: http://www.watts.com/pro/_products_sub.asp?catId=64&parCat=285 Good Luck Peter Parrish wrote: We are getting ready to install a SDHW system for a customer and we looked at a number of things regarding his current set up. I just posted a question about tankless heaters but I wanted this query to be a separate one. The customer’s mains water pressure is 88 psi on a Saturday afternoon and some time over the next 18 hours, the pressure went as high as 96 psi. I understand that 80 psi is the high end of the safe range in general and that 96 psi on a regular basis can/will damage valves and possibly trigger T&P valves on water heaters. At the recommendation of a plumber I know I looked into pressure reducers, specifically the Wilkins/Zurn line. All the Wilkins regulators produce zero pressure drop at zero flow. What good are these products in protecting plumbing systems from high mains pressures at night when pressures tend to be the highest and usage is at a minimum or even zero? Are there products that will prevent system pressures from exceeding a set point (e.g. 60 psi) under any flow condition including zero? - Peter Peter T. Parrish, President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Dean T. Newberry Talbott Solar & Radiant Homes Inc. 430 D Street Davis, CA 95616 T: 530 219-3606 F: 530 758-8187 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.TalbottSolar.com/ http://www.TalbottRadiant.com/ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] SDHW and High Mains Pressure
We are getting ready to install a SDHW system for a customer and we looked at a number of things regarding his current set up. I just posted a question about tankless heaters but I wanted this query to be a separate one. The customer's mains water pressure is 88 psi on a Saturday afternoon and some time over the next 18 hours, the pressure went as high as 96 psi. I understand that 80 psi is the high end of the safe range in general and that 96 psi on a regular basis can/will damage valves and possibly trigger T&P valves on water heaters. At the recommendation of a plumber I know I looked into pressure reducers, specifically the Wilkins/Zurn line. All the Wilkins regulators produce zero pressure drop at zero flow. What good are these products in protecting plumbing systems from high mains pressures at night when pressures tend to be the highest and usage is at a minimum or even zero? Are there products that will prevent system pressures from exceeding a set point (e.g. 60 psi) under any flow condition including zero? - Peter Peter T. Parrish, President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
