[RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
In the March issue of Photon magazine it's being reported that Sanyo's HiT modules may be suffering from MWs worth of failures. If you're unable to track down the article on-line, let me know and I can send you a PDF version. marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
Esteemed colleagues, Regarding the Sanyo problems, I was mistaken. They're having problems with their HIP models. I'm seeking clarification from the author of the article who I know to see whether there have been any HIT problems as well. My apologies. marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
Marco: i would really appreciate it - my photon subscription has rsopped even tho I am paid up. Patrick A. Redgate Ameco Solar, Inc. 7623 Somerset Blvd Paramount, CA 90723 888-595-9570 _www.solarexpert.com_ (http://www.solarexpert.com) _www.amecosolar.com_ (http://www.amecosolar.com) In a message dated 3/31/2011 7:31:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ma...@pvthawaii.com writes: In the March issue of Photon magazine it’s being reported that Sanyo’s HiT modules may be suffering from MWs worth of failures. If you’re unable to track down the article on-line, let me know and I can send you a PDF version. marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
Marco - I'd like to see the pdf as well if you don't mind. Thanks, August aug...@luminalt.com *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Marco Mangelsdorf *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:31 PM *To:* 'RE-wrenches' *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems In the March issue of Photon magazine it’s being reported that Sanyo’s HiT modules may be suffering from MWs worth of failures. If you’re unable to track down the article on-line, let me know and I can send you a PDF version. marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
Have any wrenches here experienced any problems? We have a number of projects currently proceeding with those modules right now. Has anyone talked to Sanyo? Marco please include me on a shared PDF copy of the reportthanks...Kirpal On Apr 1, 2011 7:32 AM, "August Goers" wrote: Marco - I'd like to see the pdf as well if you don't mind. Thanks, August aug...@luminalt.com *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Marco Mangelsdorf *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:31 PM *To:* 'RE-wrenches' *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems In the March issue of Photon magazine it’s being reported that Sanyo’s HiT modules may be suffe... ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
Me too. We have one project pending with the bifacial mods. Jason From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Kirpal Khalsa Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:38 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems Have any wrenches here experienced any problems? We have a number of projects currently proceeding with those modules right now. Has anyone talked to Sanyo? Marco please include me on a shared PDF copy of the reportthanks...Kirpal On Apr 1, 2011 7:32 AM, "August Goers" wrote: Marco - I'd like to see the pdf as well if you don't mind. Thanks, August ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
If possible I would like to see report daryl_so...@yahoo.com From: August Goers To: RE-wrenches Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:32:45 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems Marco - I'd like to see the pdf as well if you don't mind. Thanks, August aug...@luminalt.com From:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Marco Mangelsdorf Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:31 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems In the March issue of Photon magazine it’s being reported that Sanyo’s HiT modules may be suffering from MWs worth of failures. If you’re unable to track down the article on-line, let me know and I can send you a PDF version. marco___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
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If possible, I would like to see the article also. We have many installs with Sanyo HIT. Have not had any problems to date. r...@windsine.org Roy Rakobitsch NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer® NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer® NYSERDA eligible Small Wind installer Wind/PV Design Engineer Windsine Inc. 631-514-4166 www.windsine.org On Fri, April 1, 2011 11:46 am, Darryl Thayer wrote: > If possible I would like to see report > daryl_so...@yahoo.com > > > Â > > > > > From: August Goers > To: RE-wrenches > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:32:45 AM > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems > > > Marco - I'd like to see the pdf as well if you don't mind. Thanks, August > Â > aug...@luminalt.com > Â > From:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org > [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Marco > Mangelsdorf > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:31 PM > To: 'RE-wrenches' > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems > Â > In the March issue of Photon magazine itâs being reported that Sanyoâs > HiT > modules may be suffering from MWs worth of failures. > Â > If youâre unable to track down the article on-line, let me know and I > can send > you a PDF version. > Â > marco___ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
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I don't know my HIPs from my HITs...wait that didn't sound right...but you see my problem. "Heterojunction with Intrinsic Thin Layer" = HIT. What = HIP? Thanks for taking a moment to address this question. Marco & others: if anyone can find a Sanyo Tech Person who would join the Wrench List, it would help us all and probably also help Sanyo. Jolliness, Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: > Esteemed colleagues, > > > > Regarding the Sanyo problems, I was mistaken. > > > > They’re having problems with their HIP models. > > > > I’m seeking clarification from the author of the article who I know to see > whether there have been any HIT problems as well. > > > > My apologies. > > > > marco > > > > ___ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
I believe the HIP denotes bifacial HIT modules. These are exactly what is being proposed on the project I am working on. Might need an alternative! Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mick Abraham Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:39 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems I don't know my HIPs from my HITs...wait that didn't sound right...but you see my problem. "Heterojunction with Intrinsic Thin Layer" = HIT. What = HIP? Thanks for taking a moment to address this question. Marco & others: if anyone can find a Sanyo Tech Person who would join the Wrench List, it would help us all and probably also help Sanyo. Jolliness, Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: Esteemed colleagues, Regarding the Sanyo problems, I was mistaken. They're having problems with their HIP models. I'm seeking clarification from the author of the article who I know to see whether there have been any HIT problems as well. My apologies. marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
I don't know my HIPs from my HITs either, but I don't think you're
correct, Jason. I checked a bunch of pdfs of spec sheets for various
Sanyo modules, and it just left me more confused.
The Sanyo HIP-190BA3/195BA3/200BA3 is a single-face module from
around 2006. On the spec sheet is written: "SANYO HIT1 solar cells
are hybrids, made of thin mono crystal
silicon surrounded by ultra-thin amorphous silicon layersSANYO
HIT solar panels have a black anodized aluminum frame, come
pre-equipped with lead wires and plug-n-play connectors.
The HIT Power 200 from 2008 has on its spec sheet "HIT Power 200 or
HIP-200BA19"; also single-face.
The HIT Power 215N is listed on the spec sheet as "HIT Power 215N or
HIP-215NKHA5".
The HIT Power 200A is only an HIT; the specs list it as "HIT Power
220A or HIT-N220A01", and there's no mention of HIP on the sheet.
Enough already! Marco, can you send out the Photon article after
all? I don't think you were mistaken. Maybe we have a real concern
here after all.
Allan
Allan Sindelar
al...@positiveenergysolar.com
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic
Installer
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Positive Energy, Inc.
3201 Calle Marie
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
505 424-1112
www.positiveenergysolar.com
On 4/2/2011 5:24 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote:
I believe the HIP denotes bifacial HIT modules.
These are exactly what is being proposed on the project I am
working on. Might need an alternative!
Jason Szumlanski
Fafco Solar
From:
re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
Behalf Of Mick Abraham
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:39 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
I don't know
my HIPs from my HITs...wait that didn't sound right...but you
see my problem. "Heterojunction with Intrinsic Thin Layer" =
HIT. What = HIP?
Thanks for taking a moment to address this question. Marco
& others: if anyone can find a Sanyo Tech Person who would
join the Wrench List, it would help us all and probably also
help Sanyo.
Jolliness,
Mick Abraham, Proprietor
www.abrahamsolar.com
Voice: 970-731-4675
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marco
Mangelsdorf <ma...@pvthawaii.com>
wrote:
Esteemed colleagues,
Regarding the Sanyo
problems, I was mistaken.
They’re having problems with
their HIP models.
I’m seeking clarification
from the author of the article who I know to see whether
there have been any HIT problems as well.
My apologies.
marco
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
The current HIP-195DA3 datasheet is here: http://us.sanyo.com/dynamic/product/Downloads/HIT%20Double%20195-1483134 .pdf So it appears that the DA designation means bifacial module... You are correct that not all HIP modules are bifacial. For example, the current model numbers HIP-195BA20 and -195BA19 (aka HIT Power 195) are not bifacial, but do have the "rear-side electrode" below the thin silicon layer. This is what makes it a bit confusing if not familiar with the modules. The marketing name of HIT bifacials are "HIT Double." All bifacial part numbers start with HIP, but all HIP part numbers are not bifacial modules. Sanyo is not doing itself any favors by making the model number designations so confusing. Bottom line: I need to figure out if the HIT Doubles (bifacials) are affected by these alleged problems. I would assume problems that affect any HIT module would also affect the bifacials, so I may have partially answered my own question. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:19 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems I don't know my HIPs from my HITs either, but I don't think you're correct, Jason. I checked a bunch of pdfs of spec sheets for various Sanyo modules, and it just left me more confused. The Sanyo HIP-190BA3/195BA3/200BA3 is a single-face module from around 2006. On the spec sheet is written: "SANYO HIT1 solar cells are hybrids, made of thin mono crystal silicon surrounded by ultra-thin amorphous silicon layersSANYO HIT solar panels have a black anodized aluminum frame, come pre-equipped with lead wires and plug-n-play connectors. The HIT Power 200 from 2008 has on its spec sheet "HIT Power 200 or HIP-200BA19"; also single-face. The HIT Power 215N is listed on the spec sheet as "HIT Power 215N or HIP-215NKHA5". The HIT Power 200A is only an HIT; the specs list it as "HIT Power 220A or HIT-N220A01", and there's no mention of HIP on the sheet. Enough already! Marco, can you send out the Photon article after all? I don't think you were mistaken. Maybe we have a real concern here after all. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com <mailto:al...@positiveenergysolar.com> NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Positive Energy, Inc. 3201 Calle Marie Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com <http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/> On 4/2/2011 5:24 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: I believe the HIP denotes bifacial HIT modules. These are exactly what is being proposed on the project I am working on. Might need an alternative! Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mick Abraham Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:39 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems I don't know my HIPs from my HITs...wait that didn't sound right...but you see my problem. "Heterojunction with Intrinsic Thin Layer" = HIT. What = HIP? Thanks for taking a moment to address this question. Marco & others: if anyone can find a Sanyo Tech Person who would join the Wrench List, it would help us all and probably also help Sanyo. Jolliness, Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: Esteemed colleagues, Regarding the Sanyo problems, I was mistaken. They're having problems with their HIP models. I'm seeking clarification from the author of the article who I know to see whether there have been any HIT problems as well. My apologies. marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
Sanyo has sent out a written response to this issue. Kirk Herander VSE On Apr 3, 2011, at 12:01 PM, "Jason Szumlanski" wrote: The current HIP-195DA3 datasheet is here: http://us.sanyo.com/dynamic/product/Downloads/HIT%20Double%20195-1483134.pdf So it appears that the DA designation means bifacial module… You are correct that not all HIP modules are bifacial. For example, the cur rent model numbers HIP-195BA20 and -195BA19 (aka HIT Power 195) are not bifacial, but do have the “rear-side electrode” below the thin silicon layer. This is what makes it a bit confusing if not fam iliar with the modules. The marketing name of HIT bifacials are “HIT Double.” All bifacial part numbers start with HIP, but all HIP part numbers are n ot bifacial modules. Sanyo is not doing itself any favors by making the model number designations so confusing. Bottom line: I need to figure out if the HIT Doubles (bifacials) are affected by these alleged problems. I would assume problems that affect any HIT module would also affect the bifacials, so I may have partially answered my own question. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches- boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:19 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems I don't know my HIPs from my HITs either, but I don't think you're correct, Jason. I checked a bunch of pdfs of spec sheets for various Sanyo modules, and it just left me more confused. The Sanyo HIP-190BA3/195BA3/200BA3 is a single-face module from around 2006. On the spec sheet is written: "SANYO HIT1 solar cells are hybrids, made of thin mono crystal silicon surrounded by ultra-thin amorphous silicon layersSANYO HIT solar panels have a black anodized aluminum frame, come pre- equipped with lead wires and plug-n-play connectors. The HIT Power 200 from 2008 has on its spec sheet "HIT Power 200 or HIP-200BA19"; also single-face. The HIT Power 215N is listed on the spec sheet as "HIT Power 215N or HIP-215NKHA5". The HIT Power 200A is only an HIT; the specs list it as "HIT Power 220A or HIT-N220A01", and there's no mention of HIP on the sheet. Enough already! Marco, can you send out the Photon article after all? I don't think you were mistaken. Maybe we have a real concern here after all. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Positive Energy, Inc. 3201 Calle Marie Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com On 4/2/2011 5:24 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: I believe the HIP denotes bifacial HIT modules. These are exactly what is being proposed on the project I am working on. Might need an alternative! Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches- boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mick Abraham Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:39 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems I don't know my HIPs from my HITs...wait that didn't sound right...but you see my problem. "Heterojunction with Intrinsic Thin Layer" = HIT. What = HIP? Thanks for taking a moment to address this question. Marco & others: if anyone can find a Sanyo Tech Person who would join the Wrench List, it would help us all and probably also help Sanyo. Jolliness, Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: Esteemed colleagues, Regarding the Sanyo problems, I was mistaken. They’re having problems with their HIP models. I’m seeking clarification from the author of the article who I know to see whether there have been any HIT problems as well. My apologies. marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ Li
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems
Ps I have a copy of Sanyos response but I am travelling and don't remember the details. Contact me off list for a copy. Kirk Herander VSE On Apr 3, 2011, at 12:01 PM, "Jason Szumlanski" wrote: The current HIP-195DA3 datasheet is here: http://us.sanyo.com/dynamic/product/Downloads/HIT%20Double%20195-1483134.pdf So it appears that the DA designation means bifacial module… You are correct that not all HIP modules are bifacial. For example, the cur rent model numbers HIP-195BA20 and -195BA19 (aka HIT Power 195) are not bifacial, but do have the “rear-side electrode” below the thin silicon layer. This is what makes it a bit confusing if not fam iliar with the modules. The marketing name of HIT bifacials are “HIT Double.” All bifacial part numbers start with HIP, but all HIP part numbers are n ot bifacial modules. Sanyo is not doing itself any favors by making the model number designations so confusing. Bottom line: I need to figure out if the HIT Doubles (bifacials) are affected by these alleged problems. I would assume problems that affect any HIT module would also affect the bifacials, so I may have partially answered my own question. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches- boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:19 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems I don't know my HIPs from my HITs either, but I don't think you're correct, Jason. I checked a bunch of pdfs of spec sheets for various Sanyo modules, and it just left me more confused. The Sanyo HIP-190BA3/195BA3/200BA3 is a single-face module from around 2006. On the spec sheet is written: "SANYO HIT1 solar cells are hybrids, made of thin mono crystal silicon surrounded by ultra-thin amorphous silicon layersSANYO HIT solar panels have a black anodized aluminum frame, come pre- equipped with lead wires and plug-n-play connectors. The HIT Power 200 from 2008 has on its spec sheet "HIT Power 200 or HIP-200BA19"; also single-face. The HIT Power 215N is listed on the spec sheet as "HIT Power 215N or HIP-215NKHA5". The HIT Power 200A is only an HIT; the specs list it as "HIT Power 220A or HIT-N220A01", and there's no mention of HIP on the sheet. Enough already! Marco, can you send out the Photon article after all? I don't think you were mistaken. Maybe we have a real concern here after all. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Positive Energy, Inc. 3201 Calle Marie Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com On 4/2/2011 5:24 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: I believe the HIP denotes bifacial HIT modules. These are exactly what is being proposed on the project I am working on. Might need an alternative! Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches- boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mick Abraham Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:39 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems I don't know my HIPs from my HITs...wait that didn't sound right...but you see my problem. "Heterojunction with Intrinsic Thin Layer" = HIT. What = HIP? Thanks for taking a moment to address this question. Marco & others: if anyone can find a Sanyo Tech Person who would join the Wrench List, it would help us all and probably also help Sanyo. Jolliness, Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: Esteemed colleagues, Regarding the Sanyo problems, I was mistaken. They’re having problems with their HIP models. I’m seeking clarification from the author of the article who I know to see whether there have been any HIT problems as well. My apologies. marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.m
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems; None here
We sell Sanyo but no Bi-facial models. We only do off grid, industrial battery and RV systems. No failures and outstanding performance from Sanyo. Too bad they void the warranty for mobile and marine applications, though. It would otherwise be our #1 seller. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems www.starlightsolar.com 928-342-9103 - Original Message - From: Kirpal Khalsa To: RE-wrenches Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems Have any wrenches here experienced any problems? We have a number of projects currently proceeding with those modules right now. Has anyone talked to Sanyo? Marco please include me on a shared PDF copy of the reportthanks...Kirpal ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems; None here
No problems here, but I have only done a few, one is monitored continously and carefully and it is performing well. From: "Starlight Solar, Larry Crutcher" To: RE-wrenches Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 10:10:37 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems; None here We sell Sanyo but no Bi-facial models. We only do off grid, industrial battery and RV systems. No failures and outstanding performance from Sanyo. Too bad they void the warranty for mobile and marine applications, though. It would otherwise be our #1 seller. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems www.starlightsolar.com 928-342-9103 - Original Message - From: Kirpal Khalsa >To: RE-wrenches >Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:38 AM >Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems > > >Have any wrenches here experienced any problems? We have a number of projects >currently proceeding with those modules right now. Has anyone talked to Sanyo? >Marco please include me on a shared PDF copy of the reportthanks...Kirpal___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems (now email etiquette question)
Michael - This has come up before. I'm probably missing something simple but the problem for me is that Wrenches emails do not contain the senders original address in a way that I've been able to find it. Any suggestions about where I can find the senders email? Best, August -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Michael Welch Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:08 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems Just a reminder to all, please send requests and anything else intended for an individual to that individual, and NOT the whole list. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me off list. Thanks in advance. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems (now email etiquette question)
August it depends on which email program you use. With MS Outlook or Express, right click on the specific email when it's highlighted. A menu appears with 'Options' or 'Properties'at the bottom. Click it and you get a jumble of text that has 'from' listed somewhere. there it is, just highlight it and copy it. Just be sure not to reply or we all will get to read it. Jim -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]On Behalf Of August Goers Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 11:17 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems (now email etiquette question) Michael - This has come up before. I'm probably missing something simple but the problem for me is that Wrenches emails do not contain the senders original address in a way that I've been able to find it. Any suggestions about where I can find the senders email? Best, August -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Michael Welch Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:08 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo problems Just a reminder to all, please send requests and anything else intended for an individual to that individual, and NOT the whole list. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me off list. Thanks in advance. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
