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Re: [RE-wrenches] Storage Batteries for dwellings -Canadian Code

2016-04-08 Thread Dan Fink

Thank you Jay!

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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Jay  wrote:

> Hi dan
>
> The sonnen is the Sony battery. 48v packs. No problem.
>
> Jay
> Peltz power
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 8, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Dan Fink  wrote:
>
> I wonder how this code will apply to the new SonnenBatterie system, which
> uses a high-voltage lithium battery bank adapted to an Outback Radian
> integrated into the cabinet. I'm guessing it will be the same...the
> user-accessible side will be 48VDC.
>
> Dan Fink
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> IREC Certified Instructor™ for:
> ~ PV Installation Professional
> ~ Small Wind Installer
> Executive Director, Buckville Energy
> NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™
> 970.672.4342
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Chris Mason  > wrote:
>
>> The Powerwall is an integrated product,  not a battery you install. There
>> is no user access to the internal voltage. Our Nissan Leaf stores at 500v
>> but it's not restricted for the same reason. There are plenty of commercial
>> UPS products that use very high villages but the user had no access to the
>> internals.
>> On Apr 8, 2016 1:06 AM, "Benn Kilburn"  wrote:
>>
>>> Wrenches,
>>> Section 64 of the 2015 Canadian Electrical Code covers Renewable Energy
>>> Systems.
>>> Rule 64-800(3) states...
>>>
>>>1.
>>>
>>>Storage batteries for dwelling units shall have the cells connected
>>>so as to operate at less than 50 V nominal.
>>>
>>> Note the word "for".  It appears that this rule may restrict the use of
>>> higher voltage lithium ion batteries (PowerWall and similar Panasonic home
>>> storage that i've heard of) FOR dwellings regardless of where it is
>>> installed (detached or attached garage or even a separate shed)
>>>
>>> Based on the short text that i've included, does anyone interpret it
>>> differently or know of another rule in the CEC that may be a work-around?
>>>
>>> For the NEC'ers... i only have a copy of the 2011 NEC and haven't read
>>> it cover to cover yet ;) but is there a similar rule in there regarding
>>> storage battery voltage FOR dwellings?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> *Benn Kilburn *
>>> CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
>>> 6706 – 82 Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T6B 0E7
>>> P: 780-474-8992 | F: 888-405-5843 | www.skyfireenergy.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Storage Batteries for dwellings -Canadian Code

2016-04-08 Thread Dan Fink

I wonder how this code will apply to the new SonnenBatterie system, which
uses a high-voltage lithium battery bank adapted to an Outback Radian
integrated into the cabinet. I'm guessing it will be the same...the
user-accessible side will be 48VDC.

Dan Fink
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IREC Certified Instructor™ for:
~ PV Installation Professional
~ Small Wind Installer
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Chris Mason 
wrote:

> The Powerwall is an integrated product,  not a battery you install. There
> is no user access to the internal voltage. Our Nissan Leaf stores at 500v
> but it's not restricted for the same reason. There are plenty of commercial
> UPS products that use very high villages but the user had no access to the
> internals.
> On Apr 8, 2016 1:06 AM, "Benn Kilburn"  wrote:
>
>> Wrenches,
>> Section 64 of the 2015 Canadian Electrical Code covers Renewable Energy
>> Systems.
>> Rule 64-800(3) states...
>>
>>1.
>>
>>Storage batteries for dwelling units shall have the cells connected
>>so as to operate at less than 50 V nominal.
>>
>> Note the word "for".  It appears that this rule may restrict the use of
>> higher voltage lithium ion batteries (PowerWall and similar Panasonic home
>> storage that i've heard of) FOR dwellings regardless of where it is
>> installed (detached or attached garage or even a separate shed)
>>
>> Based on the short text that i've included, does anyone interpret it
>> differently or know of another rule in the CEC that may be a work-around?
>>
>> For the NEC'ers... i only have a copy of the 2011 NEC and haven't read it
>> cover to cover yet ;) but is there a similar rule in there regarding
>> storage battery voltage FOR dwellings?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> *Benn Kilburn *
>> CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
>> 6706 – 82 Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T6B 0E7
>> P: 780-474-8992 | F: 888-405-5843 | www.skyfireenergy.com
>> [image: email]  [image: facebook]
>>  [image: twitter]
>>  [image: linkedin]
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Storage Batteries for dwellings -Canadian Code

2016-04-08 Thread Chris Mason

The Powerwall is an integrated product,  not a battery you install. There
is no user access to the internal voltage. Our Nissan Leaf stores at 500v
but it's not restricted for the same reason. There are plenty of commercial
UPS products that use very high villages but the user had no access to the
internals.
On Apr 8, 2016 1:06 AM, "Benn Kilburn"  wrote:

> Wrenches,
> Section 64 of the 2015 Canadian Electrical Code covers Renewable Energy
> Systems.
> Rule 64-800(3) states...
>
>1.
>
>Storage batteries for dwelling units shall have the cells connected so
>as to operate at less than 50 V nominal.
>
> Note the word "for".  It appears that this rule may restrict the use of
> higher voltage lithium ion batteries (PowerWall and similar Panasonic home
> storage that i've heard of) FOR dwellings regardless of where it is
> installed (detached or attached garage or even a separate shed)
>
> Based on the short text that i've included, does anyone interpret it
> differently or know of another rule in the CEC that may be a work-around?
>
> For the NEC'ers... i only have a copy of the 2011 NEC and haven't read it
> cover to cover yet ;) but is there a similar rule in there regarding
> storage battery voltage FOR dwellings?
>
> Thanks
>
> *Benn Kilburn *
> CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
> 6706 – 82 Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T6B 0E7
> P: 780-474-8992 | F: 888-405-5843 | www.skyfireenergy.com
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[RE-wrenches] Storage Batteries for dwellings -Canadian Code

2016-04-07 Thread Benn Kilburn

Wrenches,
Section 64 of the 2015 Canadian Electrical Code covers Renewable Energy
Systems.
Rule 64-800(3) states...

   1.

   Storage batteries for dwelling units shall have the cells connected so
   as to operate at less than 50 V nominal.

Note the word "for".  It appears that this rule may restrict the use of
higher voltage lithium ion batteries (PowerWall and similar Panasonic home
storage that i've heard of) FOR dwellings regardless of where it is
installed (detached or attached garage or even a separate shed)

Based on the short text that i've included, does anyone interpret it
differently or know of another rule in the CEC that may be a work-around?

For the NEC'ers... i only have a copy of the 2011 NEC and haven't read it
cover to cover yet ;) but is there a similar rule in there regarding
storage battery voltage FOR dwellings?

Thanks

*Benn Kilburn *
CSA Certified Solar Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc
6706 – 82 Ave NW | Edmonton, AB | T6B 0E7
P: 780-474-8992 | F: 888-405-5843 | www.skyfireenergy.com
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