Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-07 Thread Glenn Burt 
I second the value of the 'lipstick' anti-seize from Locktite.

Significantly less mess.

 

Glenn

 

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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

 

Anti-Seize compound is readily available in twist-to-advance sticks. We have
used it that way for years, and we never bother with toothpicks or brushes
and we never get it on our fingers. It's by Loctite, it's called QuickStix
and it's called "Silver Grade Anti-Seize". Carry one in each tool bag and
more on the truck.

Allan Sindelar
 <mailto:al...@positiveenergysolar.com> al...@positiveenergysolar.com
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
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505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell
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On 2/6/2014 4:58 PM, Kelly Larson wrote:

I use a toothpick and put a tiny bit in the bolt threads.  It's a little
less messy that way.


Blessings,

Kelly

 

On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Chris Mason wrote:





This is the stuff. Be prepared for it to get everywhere, it's really messy
(or maybe I am). 

 

 
<http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-80078-Anti-Seize-Lubricant-Bottle/dp/B000AAJ
TXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391721840&sr=8-1&keywords=permatex+anti-seize+lu
bricant>
http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-80078-Anti-Seize-Lubricant-Bottle/dp/B000AAJT
XY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391721840&sr=8-1&keywords=permatex+anti-seize+lub
ricant

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Chris Mason <
<mailto:cometenergysyst...@gmail.com> cometenergysyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Probably Permatex.

 

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Ray Walters < <mailto:r...@solarray.com>
r...@solarray.com> wrote:

We use Anti- Seize Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at the auto parts
store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with built in brush on applicator.
Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I took apart another
installer5's rack to add modules, and half the bolts were ruined and had to
be replaced.
I recommend a torque wrench too, its super easy to over5 tighten the SS
hardware.

R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
  303 505-8760 



On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:

there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a anti galling
compound, what do other people use?

 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Allan Sindelar 

  
  
Anti-Seize compound is readily
  available in twist-to-advance sticks. We have used it that way for
  years, and we never bother with toothpicks or brushes and we never
  get it on our fingers. It's by Loctite, it's called QuickStix and
  it's called "Silver Grade Anti-Seize". Carry one in each tool bag
  and more on the truck.
  
  






  

  

  
  
  
Allan Sindelar
  al...@positiveenergysolar.com
  NABCEP Certified PV
Installation Professional
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Founder, Positive Energy, Inc.
A
Certified B CorporationTM
3209
Richards Lane
  Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell
www.positiveenergysolar.com
 
  

  On 2/6/2014 4:58 PM, Kelly Larson wrote:

I use a toothpick and put a tiny bit in the bolt
  threads.  It's a little less messy that way.
  









  

  

  

  
  Blessings,
  
  Kelly
  

  

  

  

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Chris Mason wrote:


  This is the stuff. Be prepared for it to get
everywhere, it's really messy (or maybe I am).

  http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-80078-Anti-Seize-Lubricant-Bottle/dp/B000AAJTXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391721840&sr=8-1&keywords=permatex+anti-seize+lubricant
  
  
  
  
  

  
  

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:21 PM,
  Chris Mason 
  wrote:
  
Probably Permatex.

  

  
  On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at
4:55 PM, Ray Walters 
wrote:
We use Anti- Seize
  Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at the
  auto parts store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with
  built in brush on applicator.
  Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I
  took apart another installer5's rack to add
  modules, and half the bolts were ruined and
  had to be replaced.
  I recommend a torque wrench too, its super
  easy to over5 tighten the SS hardware.
  
  R.Ray Walters
  CTO, Solarray, Inc
  Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
  Licensed Master Electrician
  Solar Design Engineer
  303
505-8760
  

On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:

  there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use
  pentrox as a anti

Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Kelly Larson 
I second the Dura-con.  We use them too.

Blessings,
Kelly

On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Bill Hoffer wrote:

> Ray
> 
> Gave up on stainless fasteners and anti-sieze a long time ago after 
> discovering Dura-Con Fasteners.  Better corrsion resistance against aluminum 
> than stainless and no galling!  We have used them for training where systems 
> are assembled and disassembled several times.  Even with anti-sieze still 
> would have to hack a few fasteners off every time.  With Dura-Con no more 
> problem.  I also believe  that they are also cheaper than quality Stainless  
> ( not all stainless fasteners are created equal!) .  Try em you'll be asking 
> every racking company to switch over from stainless!
> 
> Bill, now gall-free Bill and loving it!
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Ray Walters  wrote:
> We use Anti- Seize Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at the auto parts 
> store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with built in brush on applicator.
> Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I took apart another installer5's 
> rack to add modules, and half the bolts were ruined and had to be replaced.
> I recommend a torque wrench too, its super easy to over5 tighten the SS 
> hardware.
> 
> R.Ray Walters
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Solar Design Engineer
> 303 505-8760
> 
> 
> On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:
> there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a anti galling
> compound, what do other people use?
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Kelly Larson 
I use a toothpick and put a tiny bit in the bolt threads.  It's a little less 
messy that way.

Blessings,
Kelly

On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Chris Mason wrote:

> This is the stuff. Be prepared for it to get everywhere, it's really messy 
> (or maybe I am).
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-80078-Anti-Seize-Lubricant-Bottle/dp/B000AAJTXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391721840&sr=8-1&keywords=permatex+anti-seize+lubricant
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Chris Mason  
> wrote:
> Probably Permatex.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Ray Walters  wrote:
> We use Anti- Seize Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at the auto parts 
> store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with built in brush on applicator.
> Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I took apart another installer5's 
> rack to add modules, and half the bolts were ruined and had to be replaced.
> I recommend a torque wrench too, its super easy to over5 tighten the SS 
> hardware.
> 
> R.Ray Walters
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Solar Design Engineer
> 303 505-8760
> 
> 
> On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:
> there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a anti galling
> compound, what do other people use?
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Bill Hoffer 
Ray

Gave up on stainless fasteners and anti-sieze a long time ago after
discovering Dura-Con Fasteners .
 Better corrsion resistance against aluminum than stainless and no galling!
 We have used them for training where systems are assembled and
disassembled several times.  Even with anti-sieze still would have to hack
a few fasteners off every time.  With Dura-Con no more problem.  I also
believe  that they are also cheaper than quality Stainless  ( not all
stainless fasteners are created equal!) .  Try em you'll be asking every
racking company to switch over from stainless!

Bill, now gall-free Bill and loving it!


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Ray Walters  wrote:

> We use Anti- Seize Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at the auto parts
> store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with built in brush on applicator.
> Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I took apart another
> installer5's rack to add modules, and half the bolts were ruined and had to
> be replaced.
> I recommend a torque wrench too, its super easy to over5 tighten the SS
> hardware.
>
> R.Ray Walters
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Solar Design Engineer
> 303 505-8760
>
>
> On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:
>
>> there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a anti galling
>> compound, what do other people use?
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Ray Walters 
Yes Permatex.  I took the name off the bottle, but the T in the logo 
looked like a L.

Thanks for the correction.

R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 2/6/2014 2:25 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
This is the stuff. Be prepared for it to get everywhere, it's really 
messy (or maybe I am).


http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-80078-Anti-Seize-Lubricant-Bottle/dp/B000AAJTXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391721840&sr=8-1&keywords=permatex+anti-seize+lubricant




On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Chris Mason 
mailto:cometenergysyst...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Probably Permatex.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Ray Walters mailto:r...@solarray.com>> wrote:

We use Anti- Seize Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at
the auto parts store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with built in
brush on applicator.
Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I took apart
another installer5's rack to add modules, and half the bolts
were ruined and had to be replaced.
I recommend a torque wrench too, its super easy to over5
tighten the SS hardware.

R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760 


On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:

there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a
anti galling
compound, what do other people use?


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Chris Mason 
This is the stuff. Be prepared for it to get everywhere, it's really messy
(or maybe I am).

http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-80078-Anti-Seize-Lubricant-Bottle/dp/B000AAJTXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391721840&sr=8-1&keywords=permatex+anti-seize+lubricant




On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Chris Mason wrote:

> Probably Permatex.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Ray Walters  wrote:
>
>> We use Anti- Seize Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at the auto
>> parts store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with built in brush on applicator.
>> Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I took apart another
>> installer5's rack to add modules, and half the bolts were ruined and had to
>> be replaced.
>> I recommend a torque wrench too, its super easy to over5 tighten the SS
>> hardware.
>>
>> R.Ray Walters
>> CTO, Solarray, Inc
>> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
>> Licensed Master Electrician
>> Solar Design Engineer
>> 303 505-8760
>>
>>
>> On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:
>>
>>> there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a anti galling
>>> compound, what do other people use?
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Chris Mason 
Probably Permatex.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Ray Walters  wrote:

> We use Anti- Seize Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at the auto parts
> store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with built in brush on applicator.
> Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I took apart another
> installer5's rack to add modules, and half the bolts were ruined and had to
> be replaced.
> I recommend a torque wrench too, its super easy to over5 tighten the SS
> hardware.
>
> R.Ray Walters
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Solar Design Engineer
> 303 505-8760
>
>
> On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:
>
>> there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a anti galling
>> compound, what do other people use?
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Ray Walters 
We use Anti- Seize Lubricant made by Permalex.  I get it at the auto 
parts store.  I have an 8 oz. bottle with built in brush on applicator.
Definitely recommended on all SS hardware.  I took apart another 
installer5's rack to add modules, and half the bolts were ruined and had 
to be replaced.
I recommend a torque wrench too, its super easy to over5 tighten the SS 
hardware.


R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 2/6/2014 11:20 AM, Jason Andrade wrote:

there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a anti galling
compound, what do other people use?


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[RE-wrenches] Subject: Re: Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-06 Thread Jason Andrade 

Racking:

I used Prosolar for a long time and then switched to Iron ridge, I am pretty
happy with it in all areas but the rails are pricy.

Things I like 
-It has minimal deflection when tightening, but you have to tighten the
Ubolts evenly.
-The new mid clamps have teeth that penetrate both the module and the
racking so you do not need weebs for module grounding.
-End caps for sealing the rails are cheap.
-It has slots like uni-rack that allows for a decent amount of adjustment.
-As for wire management, there are two types of stainless rail clips for
managing enphase size cable or attaching up to four pv wires on
parallel rail runs.
-When using central inverters I run all of my inverter to module cables in
emt-heyco stain reliefs to MC connectors this turns out extremely tidy  
-For the grounding I use a weeb grounding lug that sits in the top rail with
a 7/16 stainless bolt that allows for a strong connection.

Things that do make it tedious
there are a lot of stainless bolts, I use pentrox as a anti galling
compound, what do other people use?

when installing a micro inverter system you have to get all of your inverter
mounting bolts in place before installing the cabling, they have to be end
loaded, I would prefer and bolt similar to the mids that twists and locks
in.

If you would like a few pictures I can send them to you or you can see them
on our facebook page West Coast Sustainables


Jason

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Connection through concrete and soon tubes. The horizontal main support tube
(4 x 4 square tube) makes wire management easy. It can easily hold wire
gutters, j boxes and conduit runs. Typically I will run the home runs in
free air and into a wire gutter mounted on the 4x4 horizontal tube.  Then
conduit down to the bos equipment mounted on a vertical support pole.   

Aaron


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> On Feb 4, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Kelly Larson  wrote:
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> Thanks, Aaron.  How are you handling wire  management and connection to
the ground?
> 
> Blessings,
> Kelly
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>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Aaron Mandelkorn wrote:
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>> I like SnapNrack 200 Series as well as DPW Solar Multi Pole Mount.
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>> Aaron Mandelkorn
>> Owner / Solar Specialist
>> Renewable Energy Outfitters
>> Box 65 Salida CO. 81201
>> 719-221-5249
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>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Kelly Larson  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We are looking to install some 4KW ground mounted arrays.  What racking
are you using?  Best ground connection?  Wire management?  The shows have so
many choices, and I keep doing the same ol thing...
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>> Kelly Larson
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