Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
Hi William and All, Thanks to all for the offers and clarifications. I may have located a cable locally and if not will probably make one up per William's and Phil's instructions. And as William and others have said - do not use anything as an SWI cable unless you know it's an original SWI cable or have made up the cable yourself according to the original SW pin out diagrams. Thanks again for all the support. Best, Jeff Carl: I have checked with Xantrex. I would not make a declaration on the Wrenches forum to my esteemed colleagues unless I was quite certain. Find the SWI Stacking Cable wiring diagram on our web site at: http://millersolar.com/resources/resources.html under Manufacturer's data. This diagram came directly from a Xantrex engineer. I have no reason to doubt it's authenticity. This is not the pin out for a standard DB25 cable. Not also the link just below it for Not an SWI cable This is your standard cable. I fished this out of my attic this evening and scanned it still in the package. Note it is listed as a straight through cable. This means pin 1 connects to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. This is not the same wiring as depicted in the SWI stacking cable diagram. I believe you have suggested twice that solar installers grab the nearest standard DB25 cable and give it a try. I feel compelled to correct the record publicly. These are not the same cables and unspecified damage could occur. I know I once shorted out a sync cable for Heart Interface inverters and blew two of them up catastrophically two days before Christmas. It was a very unpleasant surprise for the client (who had guests coming) and for my self. These cables are a direct link to the FET control circuits and need to be treated with the utmost caution. I don't know what would happen to two SW inverters if connected with your straight through cable, but I recommend strongly against trying it. Please do not recommend practices unless you are quite certain they will cause no harm. Respectfully, William Miller PS: Printer cables were never DB25-DB25. They were DB25 to Centronics. Wm At 10:01 AM 3/31/2009, you wrote: William, I used an off the shelf cable to use with the SW and PS remote, it was a double male ended 25 pin cable. They were formally used as printer/computer cables. I believe the stacking cable is the same style. You could check with Xantrex. Carl Hansen ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- ~ Jeff Clearwater Senior Design Engineer NABCEP (tm) Certified Solar PV Installer http://www.nabcep.org/ Village Power Design/NorthEast Solar Design Turnkey Solar Design Installation for the Commercial Sector http://www.villagepower.com goso...@villagepower.com Voice: 413-259-3750 Fax: 413-825-0703 65 Schoolhouse Rd Amherst, MA 01002 ~___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
Would it be possible to make one if we had a sample to know the wire order? Bob -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clearwater, Village Power Design Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:05 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable? Hi All, I need to track down a '98 vintage Trace SW stacking cable. Anyone have or know where I might find one? Thanks, Jeff C. -- ~ Jeff Clearwater Senior Design Engineer NABCEP (tm) Certified Solar PV Installer http://www.nabcep.org/ Village Power Design/NorthEast Solar Design Turnkey Solar Design Installation for the Commercial Sector http://www.villagepower.com goso...@villagepower.com Voice: 413-259-3750 Fax: 413-825-0703 65 Schoolhouse Rd Amherst, MA 01002 ~ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
Carl: This cable is *not* a standard computer cable. I don't know, but I suspect that severe inverter damage could occur with use of the wrong cable. William Miller ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
Last time I checked, Xantrex had no more SWI cables available. However, I do have the pinout for the SWI that they were willing to share, if you care to homebrew your own. DB25 male to male connectors and ribbon cable -- should be able to find those pretty easily. If interested, contact me OFF-List. Phil Undercuffler Director, Battery-based and Off-grid Distribution Sales Group Conergy Our World Is Full of Energy 1730 Camino Carlos Rey Suite 103 Santa Fe, NM 87507 p.undercuff...@conergy.us Direct | 505.216.3841 Toll Free | 888.396.6611 x4841 Fax | 505.473.3830 www.conergy.us -Original Message- From: bob ellison Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable? Would it be possible to make one if we had a sample to know the wire order? Bob -Original Message- I need to track down a '98 vintage Trace SW stacking cable. Anyone have or know where I might find one? Thanks, Jeff C. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
Hi Jeff, I have a Db-25 male to male 4' long connector that I think is what you are looking for. I have always thought it was a stacking connector but it's been in the van for a while If someone had a pinout I could test it to make sure, and send out if it is the right one. Best, jason -- Jason Lerner Waldron Power and LIght Co. (888) wapalco office/fax (360) 588-6194 On Mar 30, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Clearwater, Village Power Design wrote: Hi All, I need to track down a '98 vintage Trace SW stacking cable. Anyone have or know where I might find one? Thanks, Jeff C. -- ~ Jeff Clearwater Senior Design Engineer NABCEP (tm) Certified Solar PV Installer http://www.nabcep.org/ Village Power Design/NorthEast Solar Design Turnkey Solar Design Installation for the Commercial Sector http://www.villagepower.com goso...@villagepower.com Voice: 413-259-3750 Fax: 413-825-0703 65 Schoolhouse Rd Amherst, MA 01002 ~ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
William, I used an off the shelf cable to use with the SW and PS remote, it was a double male ended 25 pin cable. They were formally used as printer/computer cables. I believe the stacking cable is the same style. You could check with Xantrex. Carl Hansen___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
Carl: They are different cables. Substitute them at your peril. William Miller At 10:01 AM 3/31/2009, you wrote: William, I used an off the shelf cable to use with the SW and PS remote, it was a double male ended 25 pin cable. They were formally used as printer/computer cables. I believe the stacking cable is the same style. You could check with Xantrex. Carl Hansen ___ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
Carl: I have checked with Xantrex. I would not make a declaration on the Wrenches forum to my esteemed colleagues unless I was quite certain. Find the SWI Stacking Cable wiring diagram on our web site at: http://millersolar.com/resources/resources.html under Manufacturer's data. This diagram came directly from a Xantrex engineer. I have no reason to doubt it's authenticity. This is not the pin out for a standard DB25 cable. Not also the link just below it for Not an SWI cable This is your standard cable. I fished this out of my attic this evening and scanned it still in the package. Note it is listed as a straight through cable. This means pin 1 connects to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. This is not the same wiring as depicted in the SWI stacking cable diagram. I believe you have suggested twice that solar installers grab the nearest standard DB25 cable and give it a try. I feel compelled to correct the record publicly. These are not the same cables and unspecified damage could occur. I know I once shorted out a sync cable for Heart Interface inverters and blew two of them up catastrophically two days before Christmas. It was a very unpleasant surprise for the client (who had guests coming) and for my self. These cables are a direct link to the FET control circuits and need to be treated with the utmost caution. I don't know what would happen to two SW inverters if connected with your straight through cable, but I recommend strongly against trying it. Please do not recommend practices unless you are quite certain they will cause no harm. Respectfully, William Miller PS: Printer cables were never DB25-DB25. They were DB25 to Centronics. Wm At 10:01 AM 3/31/2009, you wrote: William, I used an off the shelf cable to use with the SW and PS remote, it was a double male ended 25 pin cable. They were formally used as printer/computer cables. I believe the stacking cable is the same style. You could check with Xantrex. Carl Hansen ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable?
try Chris @ tekrispower.com 732-938-4996 he is in NJ or try Joe Piszier in Reno,NV, info probably on the Xantrex authorized repair center site, or some other wrench? -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:19 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SW Stacking Cable? Jeff: These are tough to find. I did find one in my son's remote control car storage box (my wife is ruthless when it comes to putting away clutter), but I used it already. I acquired another one from a vendor recently and I will ask if more are available. I do have the wiring diagram for building one, if you would like. William At 03:05 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote: Hi All, I need to track down a '98 vintage Trace SW stacking cable. Anyone have or know where I might find one? Thanks, Jeff C. -- ~ Jeff Clearwater Senior Design Engineer NABCEP (tm) Certified Solar PV Installer http://www.nabcep.org/ Village Power Design/NorthEast Solar Design Turnkey Solar Design Installation for the Commercial Sector http://www.villagepower.com http://www.villagepower.com/ goso...@villagepower.com Voice: 413-259-3750 Fax: 413-825-0703 65 Schoolhouse Rd Amherst, MA 01002 ~ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/ Please note new e-mail address and domain: William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 Fax: 805-438-4607 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com http://millersolar.com/ License No. C-10-773985 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
