Re: [RE-wrenches] Very small, auto-start gas generator?

2012-11-28 Thread Dan Fink 
Point well taken David -- but the system has to be portable by jeep+small
trailer, small boat, floatplane, or helicopter sling load.
DAN FINK

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:41 AM, David Katz  wrote:

>  Dan
> The array puts out about 15% when it is raining.  You might do better to
> put in an array that is 8 times as big as you need so you will have enough
> power during bad weather.  It would cost you $5k and never need fuel.
> David Katz
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Very small, auto-start gas generator?

2012-11-28 Thread David Katz 
Dan
The array puts out about 15% when it is raining.  You might do better to put in 
an array that is 8 times as big as you need so you will have enough power 
during bad weather.  It would cost you $5k and never need fuel.
David Katz

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From: "Dan Fink" 
To: "RE-wrenches" 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Very small, auto-start gas generator?
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:53 pm



Hello esteemed Wrenches;

Has anyone here ever come across a very small, quiet gasoline or propane 
generator (no more than 2kw) that can be auto-started? Or electronics that 
could do that for a stock generator? A Honda 1000i or 2000i would be ample, but 
is not auto start. This is for 12VDC perimeter security cameras / GSM routers 
at extremely remote sites, and PV design autonomy time may not be ample if the 
weather is terrible, roads are washed out etc.

Thanks in advance!
--
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Executive Director;
Otherpower
Buckville Energy Consulting
Buckville Publications LLC
NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers
970.672.4342 (voicemail)


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Very small, auto-start gas generator?

2012-11-28 Thread Drake 
Its been a decade plus since we had a similar issue.  I don't know 
what is on the market now.  We changed a small Honda (3.5 kW) over to 
propane with a kit from U.S. Carburetion, I believe. The unit had a 
remote start.  On another job around that time I took a remote start 
apart and hooked the wiring to the auto start of an SW 4024.  You 
would likely void the warranty, but it can be done.


At 06:01 PM 11/27/2012, you wrote:
We are looking at a load of about 100 watts, 24/7, and the locations 
would be in the Caribbean with 5-6 full sun hours daily, most days. 
I don't foresee a large amount of generator run time, but storms and 
fog happen.


This is not in the USA, so I also see issues in obtaining AGM 
batteries. Golf car batteries are common.


I'm not seeing much out there for tiny generators, and I'm starting 
to think that the occasional hammering of a golf car battery bank by 
a week-long period of no sun might be more cost-effective -- it 
won't happen very often, and I believe the 12vdc gear they are 
running is really 5vdc USB, so their power supply won't cut out until 10,5 vdc.


 I believe that lack of noise is also an issue. The one thing they 
don't lack down there is sun, that's for sure. A hammered battery 
bank would fill in a day.


Hmmm..contemplating this. Thanks for your input, all!

DAN FINK



On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Chris Mason 
<cometenergysyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
The problem you will face with such a small generator is the run 
time rating. You are likely to put a  large number of hours on this 
and you will kill a little 2KW gas generator quickly. The service 
interval will be too short for this type of use.
Additionally, they are generally not designed to be outdoor use and 
cannot be used indoor. How will you house it? How will you connect 
more than a few hours fuel?
You can get a 6KW Generac ecogen that is rated for 500 hours between 
service and designed for this kind of run time. Comes with weather 
proof housing and can be run from a large fuel tank.



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Very small, auto-start gas generator?

2012-11-27 Thread Chris Mason 
AGM are easy to ship in, in fact they are easier than flooded due to Hazmat
shipping issues.
What island?


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Dan Fink  wrote:

> We are looking at a load of about 100 watts, 24/7, and the locations would
> be in the Caribbean with 5-6 full sun hours daily, most days. I don't
> foresee a large amount of generator run time, but storms and fog happen.
>
> This is not in the USA, so I also see issues in obtaining AGM batteries.
> Golf car batteries are common.
>
> I'm not seeing much out there for tiny generators, and I'm starting to
> think that the occasional hammering of a golf car battery bank by a
> week-long period of no sun might be more cost-effective -- it won't happen
> very often, and I believe the 12vdc gear they are running is really 5vdc
> USB, so their power supply won't cut out until 10,5 vdc.
>
>  I believe that lack of noise is also an issue. The one thing they don't
> lack down there is sun, that's for sure. A hammered battery bank would fill
> in a day.
>
> Hmmm..contemplating this. Thanks for your input, all!
>
> DAN FINK
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Chris Mason  > wrote:
>
>> The problem you will face with such a small generator is the run time
>> rating. You are likely to put a  large number of hours on this and you will
>> kill a little 2KW gas generator quickly. The service interval will be too
>> short for this type of use.
>> Additionally, they are generally not designed to be outdoor use and
>> cannot be used indoor. How will you house it? How will you connect more
>> than a few hours fuel?
>> You can get a 6KW Generac ecogen that is rated for 500 hours between
>> service and designed for this kind of run time. Comes with weather proof
>> housing and can be run from a large fuel tank.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Very small, auto-start gas generator?

2012-11-27 Thread Dan Fink 
We are looking at a load of about 100 watts, 24/7, and the locations would
be in the Caribbean with 5-6 full sun hours daily, most days. I don't
foresee a large amount of generator run time, but storms and fog happen.

This is not in the USA, so I also see issues in obtaining AGM batteries.
Golf car batteries are common.

I'm not seeing much out there for tiny generators, and I'm starting to
think that the occasional hammering of a golf car battery bank by a
week-long period of no sun might be more cost-effective -- it won't happen
very often, and I believe the 12vdc gear they are running is really 5vdc
USB, so their power supply won't cut out until 10,5 vdc.

 I believe that lack of noise is also an issue. The one thing they don't
lack down there is sun, that's for sure. A hammered battery bank would fill
in a day.

Hmmm..contemplating this. Thanks for your input, all!

DAN FINK



On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Chris Mason
wrote:

> The problem you will face with such a small generator is the run time
> rating. You are likely to put a  large number of hours on this and you will
> kill a little 2KW gas generator quickly. The service interval will be too
> short for this type of use.
> Additionally, they are generally not designed to be outdoor use and cannot
> be used indoor. How will you house it? How will you connect more than a few
> hours fuel?
> You can get a 6KW Generac ecogen that is rated for 500 hours between
> service and designed for this kind of run time. Comes with weather proof
> housing and can be run from a large fuel tank.
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Very small, auto-start gas generator?

2012-11-27 Thread Chris Mason 
The problem you will face with such a small generator is the run time
rating. You are likely to put a  large number of hours on this and you will
kill a little 2KW gas generator quickly. The service interval will be too
short for this type of use.
Additionally, they are generally not designed to be outdoor use and cannot
be used indoor. How will you house it? How will you connect more than a few
hours fuel?
You can get a 6KW Generac ecogen that is rated for 500 hours between
service and designed for this kind of run time. Comes with weather proof
housing and can be run from a large fuel tank.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dan Fink  wrote:

> Hello esteemed Wrenches;
>
> Has anyone here ever come across a very small, quiet gasoline or propane
> generator (no more than 2kw) that can be auto-started? Or electronics that
> could do that for a stock generator? A Honda 1000i or 2000i would be ample,
> but is not auto start. This is for 12VDC perimeter security cameras / GSM
> routers at extremely remote sites, and PV design autonomy time may not be
> ample if the weather is terrible, roads are washed out etc.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> --
> Dan Fink,
> Executive Director;
> Otherpower
> Buckville Energy Consulting
> Buckville Publications LLC
> NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers
> 970.672.4342 (voicemail)
>
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[RE-wrenches] Very small, auto-start gas generator?

2012-11-27 Thread Dan Fink 
Hello esteemed Wrenches;

Has anyone here ever come across a very small, quiet gasoline or propane
generator (no more than 2kw) that can be auto-started? Or electronics that
could do that for a stock generator? A Honda 1000i or 2000i would be ample,
but is not auto start. This is for 12VDC perimeter security cameras / GSM
routers at extremely remote sites, and PV design autonomy time may not be
ample if the weather is terrible, roads are washed out etc.

Thanks in advance!
-- 
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Executive Director;
Otherpower
Buckville Energy Consulting
Buckville Publications LLC
NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers
970.672.4342 (voicemail)
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