Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

2022-12-16 Thread Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches
I visited this site this morning and found AC and DC voltages at the
inverter terminals to be within expected range (432 Vdc and 246 Vac).
Since the error code on the inverter specified it being an AC problem I
removed the upper cover of the inverter and traced all the terminal and
soldered connections "upward" as far as I could until the current path
disappeared somewhere into the inverter's circuitry.  My readings were 246
Vac the entire way.  I verified continuity on both of the "buss" fuses in
the machine and they tested properly.  Unless someone has further
suggestions troubleshooting this issue I of the opinion the equipment has
reached the end of its life.  Not bad considering it's been kicking away
for 16 years of Montana summers and winters.

Cheers,
Sam

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 2:13 PM Sam Haraldson 
wrote:

> Howdy Wrenches,
>
> Any "old timers" here care to chime in with some basic info on what I
> might be heading out to see at a 10+ year old ground mount?  It's a Xantrex
> displaying the message AC Fault 186.6v.  I'm prepared to head out there and
> troubleshoot blind if no one has anything to offer up but figured why not
> post a quick message here in case anyone has insight they wish to share
> with me prior to my visit next week.
>
> Subsequently since this is a ground mount it doesn't need rapid shutdown
> so if the inverter has failed I probably have some decent options to
> replace it.  If you've had good luck with a particular brand to use for
> swaps please share that intel as well.  I don't know how big the array is
> so all I'm looking for is brands and not models.
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

2022-12-09 Thread Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches
Barton, Jerry, Ron, and Drake,

Thanks for adding your initial insight into this situation. It provided me
a few perspectives I hadn't considered right off the bat. There were also
questions that some of you posed that I don't have the answers to yet as I
haven't visited the site nor spoken with the client. If what I encounter is
something I think the group will find interesting (such as Barton's "end of
the line scenario") then I'll write up a follow-up message to everyone. If
it's just an old inverter that finally broke I'll consider sparing you all
the story

Sam Haraldson 
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:07 AM Sam Haraldson 
wrote:

> That sounds like an expensive lesson!  About six months ago I had really
> good luck with NWE verifying a half dozen different transformers all the
> way down a long dirt road in the foothills by the Crazies.  I stood by my
> guns that a wildly fluctuating voltage couldn't be the inverter's fault and
> they ended up tracing the issue back to a malfunctioning part in a
> substation.
> Sam Haraldson 
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> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:02 AM Barton Churchill 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sam, while the client name sounds vaguely familiar I was not involved
>> in the project. The situation I described was known by Sarah, we wound up
>> digging up the mains and installing a couple hundred feet of 250 kcmil to
>> minimize voltage rise at the inverters. A lesson in wire size I’ve never
>> forgotten. Hopefully it’s just the inverter! We installed loads of xantrex,
>> at the time they weren’t worse than anything else available but are
>> probably ageing out now. Good luck!
>> --
>> *From:* Sam Haraldson 
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 10:23:10 AM
>> *To:* Barton Churchill 
>> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v
>>
>> Barton,
>>
>> In case you're curious the site in question is an IPS client, Brad Dirckx
>> that Conor installed so you may have laid eyes on it at some point too.
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

2022-12-09 Thread Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches
What modules does it have? If they are susceptible to PID (Potential 
Induced Degradation), you may need to find an inverter with a solid 
negative ground. I avoided the Xantrex grid tie inverters, but am 
assuming the are grounded.


Drake

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Athens Electric LLC
Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810
CO Master Electrician’s License 4526
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On 2022-12-08 16:13, Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches wrote:


Howdy Wrenches,

Any "old timers" here care to chime in with some basic info on what I 
might be heading out to see at a 10+ year old ground mount?  It's a 
Xantrex displaying the message AC Fault 186.6v.  I'm prepared to head 
out there and troubleshoot blind if no one has anything to offer up but 
figured why not post a quick message here in case anyone has insight 
they wish to share with me prior to my visit next week.


Subsequently since this is a ground mount it doesn't need rapid 
shutdown so if the inverter has failed I probably have some decent 
options to replace it.  If you've had good luck with a particular brand 
to use for swaps please share that intel as well.  I don't know how big 
the array is so all I'm looking for is brands and not models.


Most appreciated,
Sam

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

2022-12-08 Thread Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches
The xantrex had one fused line on some of the GT lines,as l recall its a 15
or 20, no this is not the GFI Fuse, old SMA's also had just one.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 1:14 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Howdy Wrenches,
>
> Any "old timers" here care to chime in with some basic info on what I
> might be heading out to see at a 10+ year old ground mount?  It's a Xantrex
> displaying the message AC Fault 186.6v.  I'm prepared to head out there and
> troubleshoot blind if no one has anything to offer up but figured why not
> post a quick message here in case anyone has insight they wish to share
> with me prior to my visit next week.
>
> Subsequently since this is a ground mount it doesn't need rapid shutdown
> so if the inverter has failed I probably have some decent options to
> replace it.  If you've had good luck with a particular brand to use for
> swaps please share that intel as well.  I don't know how big the array is
> so all I'm looking for is brands and not models.
>
> Most appreciated,
> Sam
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

2022-12-08 Thread Ron Young via RE-wrenches
Back in the mid ’90’s one of my businesses used colour laser copiers worth $50k 
each. Located at the end of a long rural route the voltage would whiplash 
through a wild range depending on demand upstream (mostly low voltage). It kept 
blowing the $5,000 lasers out of the copiers until the techs realized the 
problem after installing a data meter. Problem was solved by installing an 
isolating voltage conditioner.

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> On Dec 8, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Barton Churchill via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve seen services at the end of utility lines have wildly fluctuating 
> voltage, especially during high demand winter months. When voltage goes below 
> or above inverter set points the inverter will disconnect with a fault like 
> you listed. Changing inverters will only help if the new one has a larger 
> voltage window. Otherwise get the utility to install a meter for a month or 
> two, if there is a problem, they have to fix it. Also, if load side mains are 
> undersized for actual load the voltage can drop at the inverter (and 
> everywhere else) causing the same thing.
> From: RE-wrenches  on behalf of 
> Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches 
> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 2:13:23 PM
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Cc: Sam Haraldson 
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v
>  
> Howdy Wrenches,
> 
> Any "old timers" here care to chime in with some basic info on what I might 
> be heading out to see at a 10+ year old ground mount?  It's a Xantrex 
> displaying the message AC Fault 186.6v.  I'm prepared to head out there and 
> troubleshoot blind if no one has anything to offer up but figured why not 
> post a quick message here in case anyone has insight they wish to share with 
> me prior to my visit next week.  
> 
> Subsequently since this is a ground mount it doesn't need rapid shutdown so 
> if the inverter has failed I probably have some decent options to replace it. 
>  If you've had good luck with a particular brand to use for swaps please 
> share that intel as well.  I don't know how big the array is so all I'm 
> looking for is brands and not models.  
> 
> Most appreciated,
> Sam
> Sam Haraldson <mailto:s...@onsiteenergyinc.com>   
> Installation & Service Manager
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

2022-12-08 Thread Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches
Wrenches
First of all confirm as it might well be the inverter, SMA is a great
solution for a replacement however like much we deal with are in short
supply, if it is a battery inverter then the Solark or Outback are good
solutions.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 1:14 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Howdy Wrenches,
>
> Any "old timers" here care to chime in with some basic info on what I
> might be heading out to see at a 10+ year old ground mount?  It's a Xantrex
> displaying the message AC Fault 186.6v.  I'm prepared to head out there and
> troubleshoot blind if no one has anything to offer up but figured why not
> post a quick message here in case anyone has insight they wish to share
> with me prior to my visit next week.
>
> Subsequently since this is a ground mount it doesn't need rapid shutdown
> so if the inverter has failed I probably have some decent options to
> replace it.  If you've had good luck with a particular brand to use for
> swaps please share that intel as well.  I don't know how big the array is
> so all I'm looking for is brands and not models.
>
> Most appreciated,
> Sam
> Sam Haraldson 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

2022-12-08 Thread Barton Churchill via RE-wrenches
I’ve seen services at the end of utility lines have wildly fluctuating voltage, 
especially during high demand winter months. When voltage goes below or above 
inverter set points the inverter will disconnect with a fault like you listed. 
Changing inverters will only help if the new one has a larger voltage window. 
Otherwise get the utility to install a meter for a month or two, if there is a 
problem, they have to fix it. Also, if load side mains are undersized for 
actual load the voltage can drop at the inverter (and everywhere else) causing 
the same thing.

From: RE-wrenches  on behalf of Sam 
Haraldson via RE-wrenches 
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 2:13:23 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Cc: Sam Haraldson 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

Howdy Wrenches,

Any "old timers" here care to chime in with some basic info on what I might be 
heading out to see at a 10+ year old ground mount?  It's a Xantrex displaying 
the message AC Fault 186.6v.  I'm prepared to head out there and troubleshoot 
blind if no one has anything to offer up but figured why not post a quick 
message here in case anyone has insight they wish to share with me prior to my 
visit next week.

Subsequently since this is a ground mount it doesn't need rapid shutdown so if 
the inverter has failed I probably have some decent options to replace it.  If 
you've had good luck with a particular brand to use for swaps please share that 
intel as well.  I don't know how big the array is so all I'm looking for is 
brands and not models.

Most appreciated,
Sam
Sam Haraldson<mailto:s...@onsiteenergyinc.com>
Installation & Service Manager
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[RE-wrenches] Xantrex AC Fault 186.6v

2022-12-08 Thread Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches
Howdy Wrenches,

Any "old timers" here care to chime in with some basic info on what I might
be heading out to see at a 10+ year old ground mount?  It's a Xantrex
displaying the message AC Fault 186.6v.  I'm prepared to head out there and
troubleshoot blind if no one has anything to offer up but figured why not
post a quick message here in case anyone has insight they wish to share
with me prior to my visit next week.

Subsequently since this is a ground mount it doesn't need rapid shutdown so
if the inverter has failed I probably have some decent options to replace
it.  If you've had good luck with a particular brand to use for swaps
please share that intel as well.  I don't know how big the array is so all
I'm looking for is brands and not models.

Most appreciated,
Sam
Sam Haraldson 
Installation & Service Manager



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