Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Jerry, Why do you have to meet rapid shutdown on an existing installation please? Down here in the central Sierra we have been uninsurable for fire really since we built the home. Many of my clients self-insure offgrid. We do the best we can for installation and fire hardening and then just cross the fingers. I am interested in this subject because it will get looked at more. Since I mostly always use ground mounted solar I have not been as concerned. You guys really had it bad. I can't imagine all the fires we have had here with those kinds of wind speeds. Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 > Wrenches > Regarding the RSD both here and coming soon to a town near you, I found > that the Tigo TS4-R-S is completely compliant for the OutBack system > including module level monitoring, however the F model also from Tigo is > not at all. I attempted to contact other manufactures but had no success, > if they are hard to get or find that does not make me feel warm and fuzzy > down the road. > So for all of us living and building the off grid dream and wanting to be > 2017 compliant when it happens we have a solution. > I have had conversations with the insurance groups and for us in the 2017 > fire storm on Sonoma and Napa Counties here in California, there has been > questions about paying out if the system is either not permitted or > modified in such a manor that is unsafe. > Jerry > NABCEP PV Inspector > NABCEP PV Installer > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019, 11:59 AM Lones Tuss >> Hello Jay >> Well it seems that I can't leave well enough alone. >> >> Below are some links I have found to the Tigo and IMO products >> concerning >> module level shutdown. >> Both have been tested with OutBack products. >> I do not think Tigo or IMO have a presence on Wrenches and I know this >> is >> gaining importance. >> I hope this helps. >> Take Care All >> >> Tigo >> >> https://www.tigoenergy.com/about-tigo/certifications/rapid-shutdown-system-modules/ >> >> >> IMO Fireraptor is a module level shutdown system that is tested and >> works >> with OutBack gear. >> https://imorenewableenergy.com/fireraptor.html >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: RE-wrenches On Behalf >> Of jay >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM >> To: RE-wrenches >> Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid >> >> ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, >> or >> requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** >> >> >> HI All, >> >> Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) >> >> Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that >> meet >> it? >> >> Thx >> jay >> >> Peltz Power >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
I tried to design a system with TS4-Os and an Outback CC. They were not compatible at that time (about a year ago) due to conflict between optimizer function and Outback MPPT. The system would get stuck off MPPT. I assume that is still the case but cannot confirm. Tigo support kept saying they had resolved the issue (while blaming Outback) but never did. We finally just removed the units. Matt On Sat, February 16, 2019 4:23 pm, Jerry Shafer wrote: > Wrenches > Regarding the RSD both here and coming soon to a town near you, I found > that the Tigo TS4-R-S is completely compliant for the OutBack system > including module level monitoring, however the F model also from Tigo is > not at all. I attempted to contact other manufactures but had no success, > if they are hard to get or find that does not make me feel warm and > fuzzy down the road. So for all of us living and building the off grid > dream and wanting to be 2017 compliant when it happens we have a solution. > I have had conversations with the insurance groups and for us in the > 2017 > fire storm on Sonoma and Napa Counties here in California, there has been > questions about paying out if the system is either not permitted or > modified in such a manor that is unsafe. Jerry > NABCEP PV Inspector > NABCEP PV Installer > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019, 11:59 AM Lones Tuss > >> Hello Jay >> Well it seems that I can't leave well enough alone. >> >> >> Below are some links I have found to the Tigo and IMO products >> concerning module level shutdown. Both have been tested with OutBack >> products. I do not think Tigo or IMO have a presence on Wrenches and I >> know this is gaining importance. I hope this helps. >> Take Care All >> >> >> Tigo >> >> >> https://www.tigoenergy.com/about-tigo/certifications/rapid-shutdown-sys >> tem-modules/ >> >> >> IMO Fireraptor is a module level shutdown system that is tested and >> works with OutBack gear. https://imorenewableenergy.com/fireraptor.html >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: RE-wrenches On Behalf >> Of jay >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM >> To: RE-wrenches >> Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid >> >> >> ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, >> or requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** >> >> >> >> HI All, >> >> >> Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) >> >> >> Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that >> meet it? >> >> Thx >> jay >> >> Peltz Power >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.h >> tml >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.h >> tml >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.ht > ml > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > Matthew Partymiller Solar Energy Solutions LLC (877) 312-7456 m...@solar-energy-solutions.com ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Wrenches Regarding the RSD both here and coming soon to a town near you, I found that the Tigo TS4-R-S is completely compliant for the OutBack system including module level monitoring, however the F model also from Tigo is not at all. I attempted to contact other manufactures but had no success, if they are hard to get or find that does not make me feel warm and fuzzy down the road. So for all of us living and building the off grid dream and wanting to be 2017 compliant when it happens we have a solution. I have had conversations with the insurance groups and for us in the 2017 fire storm on Sonoma and Napa Counties here in California, there has been questions about paying out if the system is either not permitted or modified in such a manor that is unsafe. Jerry NABCEP PV Inspector NABCEP PV Installer On Fri, Feb 8, 2019, 11:59 AM Lones Tuss Hello Jay > Well it seems that I can't leave well enough alone. > > Below are some links I have found to the Tigo and IMO products concerning > module level shutdown. > Both have been tested with OutBack products. > I do not think Tigo or IMO have a presence on Wrenches and I know this is > gaining importance. > I hope this helps. > Take Care All > > Tigo > > https://www.tigoenergy.com/about-tigo/certifications/rapid-shutdown-system-modules/ > > > IMO Fireraptor is a module level shutdown system that is tested and works > with OutBack gear. > https://imorenewableenergy.com/fireraptor.html > > > > -Original Message- > From: RE-wrenches On Behalf > Of jay > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid > > ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or > requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** > > > HI All, > > Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) > > Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet > it? > > Thx > jay > > Peltz Power > > > > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Hello Jay Well it seems that I can't leave well enough alone. Below are some links I have found to the Tigo and IMO products concerning module level shutdown. Both have been tested with OutBack products. I do not think Tigo or IMO have a presence on Wrenches and I know this is gaining importance. I hope this helps. Take Care All Tigo https://www.tigoenergy.com/about-tigo/certifications/rapid-shutdown-system-modules/ IMO Fireraptor is a module level shutdown system that is tested and works with OutBack gear. https://imorenewableenergy.com/fireraptor.html -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of jay Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** HI All, Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? Thx jay Peltz Power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Hello Below is a link to the OutBack rapid shutdown webinar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0j9u-u7PRU; Sorry for my earlier misdirection. From: cwar...@entech-engineering.com Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 5:49 AM To: RE-wrenches Cc: Lones Tuss Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid Lones, Does Outback have any schematic details on the installation of these devices with the Outback devices? Chris Warfel On 2019-02-03 02:18, Lones Tuss wrote: Hello Jay and All Concerning module level shutdown. Tigo has conducted testing and has validated the FM60/80 charge controllers with their TS4 Module Platform Imo's FireRaptor has been tested by OutBack and can be used successfully in combination with FM60/80/100 the ICS Plus and the Skybox 5048 -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>> On Behalf Of jay Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM To: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** HI All, Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? Thx jay Peltz Power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Hello World I apologize the link below is a dead link. I will search out the proper link and post it as soon as I am able. From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Lones Tuss Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:46 AM To: cwar...@entech-engineering.com; RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid Hello All Below is a link to an OutBack webinar concerning module level shutdown. Date: Wednesday January 9, 2019 Time: 10:00 AM PST – 10:30 AM PST http://www.outbackpower.com/resources/obt-training/webinars Class Description: As of January 1, 2019, 27 states have adopted the 2017 edition of the NEC and with it Article 690.12(B)(2) addresses PV array safety, for firefighters. California’s adoption starts in 2020. The biggest change in the 2017 edition is the requirement for inside the array rapid shut down. For many installers, the most effective way to meet the requirement is with a module-level device to limit voltage of conductors to less than 80V, 30 seconds after shutdown initiation. In this webinar, we will discuss solutions that meet this requirement that work with OutBack Power products. From: cwar...@entech-engineering.com<mailto:cwar...@entech-engineering.com> mailto:cwar...@entech-engineering.com>> Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 5:49 AM To: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> Cc: Lones Tuss mailto:lt...@outbackpower.com>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid Lones, Does Outback have any schematic details on the installation of these devices with the Outback devices? Chris Warfel On 2019-02-03 02:18, Lones Tuss wrote: Hello Jay and All Concerning module level shutdown. Tigo has conducted testing and has validated the FM60/80 charge controllers with their TS4 Module Platform Imo's FireRaptor has been tested by OutBack and can be used successfully in combination with FM60/80/100 the ICS Plus and the Skybox 5048 -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>> On Behalf Of jay Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM To: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** HI All, Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? Thx jay Peltz Power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Hello All Below is a link to an OutBack webinar concerning module level shutdown. Date: Wednesday January 9, 2019 Time: 10:00 AM PST – 10:30 AM PST http://www.outbackpower.com/resources/obt-training/webinars Class Description: As of January 1, 2019, 27 states have adopted the 2017 edition of the NEC and with it Article 690.12(B)(2) addresses PV array safety, for firefighters. California’s adoption starts in 2020. The biggest change in the 2017 edition is the requirement for inside the array rapid shut down. For many installers, the most effective way to meet the requirement is with a module-level device to limit voltage of conductors to less than 80V, 30 seconds after shutdown initiation. In this webinar, we will discuss solutions that meet this requirement that work with OutBack Power products. From: cwar...@entech-engineering.com Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 5:49 AM To: RE-wrenches Cc: Lones Tuss Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid Lones, Does Outback have any schematic details on the installation of these devices with the Outback devices? Chris Warfel On 2019-02-03 02:18, Lones Tuss wrote: Hello Jay and All Concerning module level shutdown. Tigo has conducted testing and has validated the FM60/80 charge controllers with their TS4 Module Platform Imo's FireRaptor has been tested by OutBack and can be used successfully in combination with FM60/80/100 the ICS Plus and the Skybox 5048 -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>> On Behalf Of jay Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM To: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** HI All, Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? Thx jay Peltz Power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Lones, Does Outback have any schematic details on the installation of these devices with the Outback devices? Chris Warfel On 2019-02-03 02:18, Lones Tuss wrote: > Hello Jay and All > Concerning module level shutdown. > Tigo has conducted testing and has validated the FM60/80 charge controllers > with their TS4 Module Platform > > Imo's FireRaptor has been tested by OutBack and can be used successfully in > combination with FM60/80/100 the ICS Plus and the Skybox 5048 > > -Original Message- > From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of jay > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid > > ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or > requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** > > > HI All, > > Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) > > Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? > > Thx > jay > > Peltz Power > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm [1] > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org [2] > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm [1] > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org [2] Links: -- [1] http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm [2] http://www.members.re-wrenches.org___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Hello Jay and All Concerning module level shutdown. Tigo has conducted testing and has validated the FM60/80 charge controllers with their TS4 Module Platform Imo's FireRaptor has been tested by OutBack and can be used successfully in combination with FM60/80/100 the ICS Plus and the Skybox 5048 -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of jay Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:02 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid ** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] - Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Help Desk. ** HI All, Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? Thx jay Peltz Power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Jay; Off grid we have worked through some strange requirements over the last few years, and in most it had a lot had to do with how electrical inspectors interpreted NECthey are as puzzled as we are. There were AHJs calling for giant remote-trip DC breakers on battery banks to comply with rapid shutdown (I think that fire went out when it was pointed out that meant all backup generators needed to be integrated into rapid shutdown too, a no-go) And AHJs who said that because the conduit from a ground mount array went 4 feet up the outside of a building to the first disconnect before penetrating the building, that meant the PV array was "on the building." And local solar companies frantically pounding in 250.47(D) aux grounding electrodes below every PV array, even though that's a recipe for disaster. I'd boil it down to keeping good lines of communication open between PV installers and the AHJs and being able to discuss frankly what exactly the problem some of these more mysterious code items are trying to solve. Dan Fink Former Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute IREC Certified Instructor™ for: ~ PV Installation Professional ~ Small Wind Installer Executive Director, Buckville Energy NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™ NABCEP PV Associate 970.672.4342 On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:33 PM jay wrote: > HI Dan and Kienan, > > Yea I understand some of the work arounds, but its not always possible to > work around things. At some point its going to be in a building or on the > roof etc. > > So sounds like from the crickets that things are not quite ready yet. > Better slow and ready than fast and not. > > thx > jay > > > > On Feb 2, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Dan Fink wrote: > > A very common way around rapid shutdown for off-grid systems especially > with ground or pole mounts is using a "power shed" for the BOS > components.if it is not inhabited / uninhabitable then rapid shutdown > is not needed per NEC 2017. > > Dan Fink > Former Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute > IREC Certified Instructor™ for: > ~ PV Installation Professional > ~ Small Wind Installer > Executive Director, Buckville Energy > NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™ > NABCEP PV Associate > > 970.672.4342 > > > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 1:40 PM Kienan Maxfield > wrote: > >> Jay, >> >> I'm interested in this too, but I don't have any good answers (I was >> hoping that someone else would have responded by now). I know that this >> doesn't answer the question... but my only comment is to use a pole mount >> whenever possible. Rapid shutdown only applies to systems on a building or >> where the PV system conductors penetrate beyond 3' into a building before >> reaching the PV system disconnect. For a pole mount, as long as your >> equipment is on the outside wall, you can easily get to the PV system >> disconnect within 3' of wire length from the building penetration so no >> rapid shutdown of any kind is required. The battery system is considered a >> separate system in the 2017 code and there is no requirement for rapid >> shutdown of any kind in that system. >> >> Thanks, >> Kienan >> >> >> *Maxfield Solar* >> *maxfieldso...@hotmail.com* >> * (801) 477-0-SUN (477-0786) (801) 631-5584 (Cell) * >> -- >> *From:* RE-wrenches on >> behalf of jay >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2019 6:02 PM >> *To:* RE-wrenches >> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid >> >> HI All, >> >> Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) >> >> Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet >> it? >> >> Thx >> jay >> >> Peltz Power >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> >> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.re-wrenches.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fre-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401678181sdata=ncjKwCiy%2BQbo0lqP7srSc8G9CryOtNQPjfhAKitodfc%3Dreserved=0 >> >> List-Archive: >> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fre-wrenches%40lists.re-wrenches.org%2Fmaillist.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=%2FZtDovZYOzIZrFw
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
HI Dan and Kienan, Yea I understand some of the work arounds, but its not always possible to work around things. At some point its going to be in a building or on the roof etc. So sounds like from the crickets that things are not quite ready yet. Better slow and ready than fast and not. thx jay > On Feb 2, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Dan Fink wrote: > > A very common way around rapid shutdown for off-grid systems especially with > ground or pole mounts is using a "power shed" for the BOS components.if > it is not inhabited / uninhabitable then rapid shutdown is not needed per NEC > 2017. > > Dan Fink > Former Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute > IREC Certified Instructor™ for: > ~ PV Installation Professional > ~ Small Wind Installer > Executive Director, Buckville Energy > NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™ > NABCEP PV Associate > > 970.672.4342 <> > > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 1:40 PM Kienan Maxfield <mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > Jay, > > I'm interested in this too, but I don't have any good answers (I was hoping > that someone else would have responded by now). I know that this doesn't > answer the question... but my only comment is to use a pole mount whenever > possible. Rapid shutdown only applies to systems on a building or where the > PV system conductors penetrate beyond 3' into a building before reaching the > PV system disconnect. For a pole mount, as long as your equipment is on the > outside wall, you can easily get to the PV system disconnect within 3' of > wire length from the building penetration so no rapid shutdown of any kind is > required. The battery system is considered a separate system in the 2017 code > and there is no requirement for rapid shutdown of any kind in that system. > > Thanks, > Kienan > > > Maxfield Solar > maxfieldso...@hotmail.com <mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com> > (801) 477-0-SUN (477-0786) > (801) 631-5584 (Cell) > From: RE-wrenches <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>> on behalf of jay > mailto:jay.pe...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 6:02 PM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid > > HI All, > > Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) > > Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? > > Thx > jay > > Peltz Power > > > > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > <mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > > Change listserver email address & settings: > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.re-wrenches.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fre-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401678181sdata=ncjKwCiy%2BQbo0lqP7srSc8G9CryOtNQPjfhAKitodfc%3Dreserved=0 > > <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.re-wrenches.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fre-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401678181sdata=ncjKwCiy%2BQbo0lqP7srSc8G9CryOtNQPjfhAKitodfc%3Dreserved=0> > > List-Archive: > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fre-wrenches%40lists.re-wrenches.org%2Fmaillist.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=%2FZtDovZYOzIZrFwiwKDR2XqoZ2eXWvor6guHCz59j0c%3Dreserved=0 > > <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fre-wrenches%40lists.re-wrenches.org%2Fmaillist.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=%2FZtDovZYOzIZrFwiwKDR2XqoZ2eXWvor6guHCz59j0c%3Dreserved=0> > > List rules & etiquette: > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.re-wrenches.org%2Fetiquette.htmdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=sAk7k9sjTPsWc3wrtceu%2FHzgH%2BN97FtdD2HHG55KU0E%3Dreserved=0 > > <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.re-wrenches.org%2Fetiquette.htmdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=sAk7k9sjTPsWc3wrtceu%2FHzgH%2BN97FtdD2HHG55KU0E%3Dreserved=0> > > Check out or update participant bios: > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.mem
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Midnight solar has an RSS and Tigo has an RS4 they all need to have the rapid shut down sw turn off the inverter to stop the DC current then the module level Switches can shut off the module On Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 12:58 AM jay HI All, > > Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) > > Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet > it? > > Thx > jay > > Peltz Power > > > > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
A very common way around rapid shutdown for off-grid systems especially with ground or pole mounts is using a "power shed" for the BOS components.if it is not inhabited / uninhabitable then rapid shutdown is not needed per NEC 2017. Dan Fink Former Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute IREC Certified Instructor™ for: ~ PV Installation Professional ~ Small Wind Installer Executive Director, Buckville Energy NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™ NABCEP PV Associate 970.672.4342 On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 1:40 PM Kienan Maxfield wrote: > Jay, > > I'm interested in this too, but I don't have any good answers (I was > hoping that someone else would have responded by now). I know that this > doesn't answer the question... but my only comment is to use a pole mount > whenever possible. Rapid shutdown only applies to systems on a building or > where the PV system conductors penetrate beyond 3' into a building before > reaching the PV system disconnect. For a pole mount, as long as your > equipment is on the outside wall, you can easily get to the PV system > disconnect within 3' of wire length from the building penetration so no > rapid shutdown of any kind is required. The battery system is considered a > separate system in the 2017 code and there is no requirement for rapid > shutdown of any kind in that system. > > Thanks, > Kienan > > > *Maxfield Solar* > *maxfieldso...@hotmail.com* > * (801) 477-0-SUN (477-0786) (801) 631-5584 (Cell) * > -- > *From:* RE-wrenches on behalf > of jay > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2019 6:02 PM > *To:* RE-wrenches > *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid > > HI All, > > Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) > > Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet > it? > > Thx > jay > > Peltz Power > > > > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.re-wrenches.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fre-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401678181sdata=ncjKwCiy%2BQbo0lqP7srSc8G9CryOtNQPjfhAKitodfc%3Dreserved=0 > > List-Archive: > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fre-wrenches%40lists.re-wrenches.org%2Fmaillist.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=%2FZtDovZYOzIZrFwiwKDR2XqoZ2eXWvor6guHCz59j0c%3Dreserved=0 > > List rules & etiquette: > > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.re-wrenches.org%2Fetiquette.htmdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=sAk7k9sjTPsWc3wrtceu%2FHzgH%2BN97FtdD2HHG55KU0E%3Dreserved=0 > > Check out or update participant bios: > > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.members.re-wrenches.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=H5sD9UsXdk2dIZsOTsQdQLRWWPXKO1joqt3GQqLOuIA%3Dreserved=0 > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
Jay, I'm interested in this too, but I don't have any good answers (I was hoping that someone else would have responded by now). I know that this doesn't answer the question... but my only comment is to use a pole mount whenever possible. Rapid shutdown only applies to systems on a building or where the PV system conductors penetrate beyond 3' into a building before reaching the PV system disconnect. For a pole mount, as long as your equipment is on the outside wall, you can easily get to the PV system disconnect within 3' of wire length from the building penetration so no rapid shutdown of any kind is required. The battery system is considered a separate system in the 2017 code and there is no requirement for rapid shutdown of any kind in that system. Thanks, Kienan Maxfield Solar maxfieldso...@hotmail.com<mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com> (801) 477-0-SUN (477-0786) (801) 631-5584 (Cell) From: RE-wrenches on behalf of jay Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 6:02 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid HI All, Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? Thx jay Peltz Power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.re-wrenches.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fre-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401678181sdata=ncjKwCiy%2BQbo0lqP7srSc8G9CryOtNQPjfhAKitodfc%3Dreserved=0 List-Archive: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fre-wrenches%40lists.re-wrenches.org%2Fmaillist.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=%2FZtDovZYOzIZrFwiwKDR2XqoZ2eXWvor6guHCz59j0c%3Dreserved=0 List rules & etiquette: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.re-wrenches.org%2Fetiquette.htmdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=sAk7k9sjTPsWc3wrtceu%2FHzgH%2BN97FtdD2HHG55KU0E%3Dreserved=0 Check out or update participant bios: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.members.re-wrenches.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5056c4841d184b864da108d6873edd73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636845101401688186sdata=H5sD9UsXdk2dIZsOTsQdQLRWWPXKO1joqt3GQqLOuIA%3Dreserved=0 ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] module level control for offgrid
HI All, Well its the new year and Module level control is here. 690.12 (B)(2) Does anyone have any updates as to products that work with CC's that meet it? Thx jay Peltz Power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
