Re: [RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV (Durable Uni-Solar)
They were very durable. A few years ago an RV customer had a US64 propped up on the back bumper. They forgot about it and backed up the motorhome to reposition, driving all 30,000 pounds over the module. Flattened and covered with deep rock dents and a puncture, it still works well. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Ray Walters wrote: My mistake, I just found a spec sheet on the Unisolar 64, and it specifically advertises No glass and unbreakable. I worked on systems with them before, but never sold them, so I assumed the textured top surface was tempered glass all these years. Many pardons, Ray On 7/27/2011 9:21 PM, Carl Emerson wrote: Hi Guys, The discontinued Unisolar US64 did not have any glass on the face. A great product, a shame they stopped manufacture. Carl Emerson Free Power Co. Web www.freepower.co.nz Hi Marco; Regular modules are designed to take quite an impact. I recall one manufacturer that fired 1 ice balls with an air cannon at their modules, and then let visitors throw baseballs at them. It seems the foul balls would be at a lower velocity than a person could throw, but I don't know. Also the Unisolar 64 module has a glass face, so I just don't know of a framed module without glass. Possibly you could add a sheet of Lexan (polycarbonate, very tough and transparent) over the top of the array. I would think the losses would be less than 10%. http://www.modernplastics.com/lexan.html Home Depot sells a corrugated polycarbonate clear roofing panel that could possibly be attached over the top of the module. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100049922/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053 I've run over it, stomped it, dropped tools on it, it pops right out, no cracking. Ray On 7/26/2011 10:58 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: I’m looking to install a 10-20 kW system on a roof that’s going to be getting falling foul balls from a nearby baseball field. The roof is not appropriate for any of the Uni-Solar peel-n-stick products. Any recommendations for anything else out there that does not have a glass glazing?Hi Marco Thanks, marco Mail Attachment.jpeg Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile www.provision-solar.com Mail Attachment.gif ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV (Durable Uni-Solar)
We had bought these several years ago for sailboat projects. We just used the remaining ones on our oyster farm. They have worked very well. I have also used their roll up module for many years on my sailboat. Chris On 7/28/2011 10:16 AM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems wrote: They were very durable. A few years ago an RV customer had a US64 propped up on the back bumper. They forgot about it and backed up the motorhome to reposition, driving all 30,000 pounds over the module. Flattened and covered with deep rock dents and a puncture, it still works well. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Ray Walters wrote: My mistake, I just found a spec sheet on the Unisolar 64, and it specifically advertises No glass and unbreakable. I worked on systems with them before, but never sold them, so I assumed the textured top surface was tempered glass all these years. Many pardons, Ray On 7/27/2011 9:21 PM, Carl Emerson wrote: Hi Guys, The discontinued Unisolar US64 did _not_ have any glass on the face. A great product, a shame they stopped manufacture. Carl Emerson Free Power Co. Web www.freepower.co.nz Hi Marco; Regular modules are designed to take quite an impact. I recall one manufacturer that fired 1 ice balls with an air cannon at their modules, and then let visitors throw baseballs at them. It seems the foul balls would be at a lower velocity than a person could throw, but I don't know. Also the Unisolar 64 module has a glass face, so I just don't know of a framed module without glass. Possibly you could add a sheet of Lexan (polycarbonate, very tough and transparent) over the top of the array. I would think the losses would be less than 10%. http://www.modernplastics.com/lexan.html Home Depot sells a corrugated polycarbonate clear roofing panel that could possibly be attached over the top of the module. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100049922/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053 http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100049922/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053 I've run over it, stomped it, dropped tools on it, it pops right out, no cracking. Ray On 7/26/2011 10:58 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: I’m looking to install a 10-20 kW system on a roof that’s going to be getting falling foul balls from a nearby baseball field. The roof is not appropriate for any of the Uni-Solar peel-n-stick products. Any recommendations for anything else out there that does not have a glass glazing?Hi Marco Thanks, marco Mail Attachment.jpeg Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile www.provision-solar.com http://www.provisiontechnologies.com/ Mail Attachment.gif ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Christopher Warfel, P.E. ENTECH Engineering, Inc. Energy Utilization Experts (401)466-8978 The information contained within this communication shall be considered confidential and shall not be retransmitted without knowledge of the sender. Please contact us if this email reached you in error.
Re: [RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV
Hi Marco; Regular modules are designed to take quite an impact. I recall one manufacturer that fired 1" ice balls with an air cannon at their modules, and then let visitors throw baseballs at them. It seems the foul balls would be at a lower velocity than a person could throw, but I don't know. Also the Unisolar 64 module has a glass face, so I just don't know of a framed module without glass. Possibly you could add a sheet of Lexan (polycarbonate, very tough and transparent) over the top of the array. I would think the losses would be less than 10%. http://www.modernplastics.com/lexan.html Home Depot sells a corrugated polycarbonate clear roofing panel that could possibly be attached over the top of the module. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100049922/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053 I've run over it, stomped it, dropped tools on it, it pops right out, no cracking. Ray On 7/26/2011 10:58 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: Im looking to install a 10-20 kW system on a roof thats going to be getting falling foul balls from a nearby baseball field. The roof is not appropriate for any of the Uni-Solar peel-n-stick products. Any recommendations for anything else out there that does not have a glass glazing?Hi Marco Thanks, marco Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile www.provision-solar.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV
Here's the ASTM standard for impact testing of modules, but it costs $34 to download: http://www.astm.org/Standards/E1038.htm Ray ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV
Marco, We have a 60kW a few blocks from the shop which was installed in 2009. It sets on the left and center of the field. In conversation with the facilities manager earlier this year he said they have replaced 4 modules in the past two seasons, and don't let anyone tell you that PV modules will withstand an impact from a baseball. He also noted that he get's a lot of positive comments from the players and families who see this array every time they are at the park. How about getting an agreement where you get to put up a PVT Hawaii sign on the field andin exchnage you agree to replace any modules broken due to baseball strikes. You could consider any loss a solar advertising fee. Either way, my suggestion would be stock some extra modules and plan on replacing a few. Cheers Carl Adams SunRock Solar On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Marco Mangelsdorf ma...@pvthawaii.comwrote: I’m looking to install a 10-20 kW system on a roof that’s going to be getting falling foul balls from a nearby baseball field. ** ** The roof is not appropriate for any of the Uni-Solar peel-n-stick products. ** ** Any recommendations for anything else out there that does not have a glass glazing? ** ** Thanks, marco ** ** [image: provision_highres_solar_logo2 with C-26351] Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile www.provision-solar.com http://www.provisiontechnologies.com ** ** ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV
Hi Guys, The discontinued Unisolar US64 did not have any glass on the face. A great product, a shame they stopped manufacture. Carl Emerson Free Power Co. Web www.freepower.co.nz Hi Marco; Regular modules are designed to take quite an impact. I recall one manufacturer that fired 1 ice balls with an air cannon at their modules, and then let visitors throw baseballs at them. It seems the foul balls would be at a lower velocity than a person could throw, but I don't know. Also the Unisolar 64 module has a glass face, so I just don't know of a framed module without glass. Possibly you could add a sheet of Lexan (polycarbonate, very tough and transparent) over the top of the array. I would think the losses would be less than 10%. http://www.modernplastics.com/lexan.html Home Depot sells a corrugated polycarbonate clear roofing panel that could possibly be attached over the top of the module. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100049922/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId =-1 http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100049922/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langI d=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053 storeId=10051catalogId=10053 I've run over it, stomped it, dropped tools on it, it pops right out, no cracking. Ray On 7/26/2011 10:58 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: I'm looking to install a 10-20 kW system on a roof that's going to be getting falling foul balls from a nearby baseball field. The roof is not appropriate for any of the Uni-Solar peel-n-stick products. Any recommendations for anything else out there that does not have a glass glazing?Hi Marco Thanks, marco provision_highres_solar_logo2 with C-26351 Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile www.provision-solar.com http://www.provisiontechnologies.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org image001.jpgimage002.gif___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV
My mistake, I just found a spec sheet on the Unisolar 64, and it specifically advertises "No glass" and "unbreakable". I worked on systems with them before, but never sold them, so I assumed the textured top surface was tempered glass all these years. Many pardons, Ray On 7/27/2011 9:21 PM, Carl Emerson wrote: Hi Guys, The discontinued Unisolar US64 did not have any glass on the face. A great product, a shame they stopped manufacture. Carl Emerson Free Power Co. Web www.freepower.co.nz Hi Marco; Regular modules are designed to take quite an impact. I recall one manufacturer that fired 1" ice balls with an air cannon at their modules, and then let visitors throw baseballs at them. It seems the foul balls would be at a lower velocity than a person could throw, but I don't know. Also the Unisolar 64 module has a glass face, so I just don't know of a framed module without glass. Possibly you could add a sheet of Lexan (polycarbonate, very tough and transparent) over the top of the array. I would think the losses would be less than 10%. http://www.modernplastics.com/lexan.html Home Depot sells a corrugated polycarbonate clear roofing panel that could possibly be attached over the top of the module. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100049922/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053 I've run over it, stomped it, dropped tools on it, it pops right out, no cracking. Ray On 7/26/2011 10:58 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: Im looking to install a 10-20 kW system on a roof thats going to be getting falling foul balls from a nearby baseball field. The roof is not appropriate for any of the Uni-Solar peel-n-stick products. Any recommendations for anything else out there that does not have a glass glazing?Hi Marco Thanks, marco Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile www.provision-solar.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV
SIlicon energy modules has glass front and back. VERY Durable. http://www.silicon-energy.com/pdf/SiE-Cascade-Spec-Sheet-V8.2-Rev070111.pdf almost bullet proof. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Ray Walters r...@solarray.com wrote: My mistake, I just found a spec sheet on the Unisolar 64, and it specifically advertises No glass and unbreakable. I worked on systems with them before, but never sold them, so I assumed the textured top surface was tempered glass all these years. Many pardons, Ray On 7/27/2011 9:21 PM, Carl Emerson wrote: Hi Guys, ** ** The discontinued Unisolar US64 did *not* have any glass on the face. ** ** A great product, a shame they stopped manufacture. ** ** Carl Emerson Free Power Co. Web www.freepower.co.nz ** ** ** ** Hi Marco; Regular modules are designed to take quite an impact. I recall one manufacturer that fired 1 ice balls with an air cannon at their modules, and then let visitors throw baseballs at them. It seems the foul balls would be at a lower velocity than a person could throw, but I don't know. Also the Unisolar 64 module has a glass face, so I just don't know of a framed module without glass. Possibly you could add a sheet of Lexan (polycarbonate, very tough and transparent) over the top of the array. I would think the losses would be less than 10%. http://www.modernplastics.com/lexan.html Home Depot sells a corrugated polycarbonate clear roofing panel that could possibly be attached over the top of the module. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100049922/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053 I've run over it, stomped it, dropped tools on it, it pops right out, no cracking. Ray On 7/26/2011 10:58 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: I’m looking to install a 10-20 kW system on a roof that’s going to be getting falling foul balls from a nearby baseball field. ** ** The roof is not appropriate for any of the Uni-Solar peel-n-stick products. ** ** Any recommendations for anything else out there that does not have a glass glazing?Hi Marco ** ** Thanks, marco ** ** [image: provision_highres_solar_logo2 with C-26351] Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile www.provision-solar.com http://www.provisiontechnologies.com ** ** ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine ** ** List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org ** ** Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org ** ** List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org ** ** List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm ** ** Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ** ** ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette:www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios:www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Alex Cozine NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™ Brothers Electric Solar brotherselectricsolar.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] shatterproof PV
I'm looking to install a 10-20 kW system on a roof that's going to be getting falling foul balls from a nearby baseball field. The roof is not appropriate for any of the Uni-Solar peel-n-stick products. Any recommendations for anything else out there that does not have a glass glazing? Thanks, marco provision_highres_solar_logo2 with C-26351 Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile http://www.provisiontechnologies.com www.provision-solar.com image001.jpgimage002.png___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
