Re: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames
Only the owner can place the system in service. The owner can place it in service whenever he wants. Sky Sims Ecological Systems http://www.ecologicalsystems.biz 220 County Road 522 Manalapan, NJ 07726 732-462-3858 toll free)866-759-7652 fax)732-462-3962 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Frye Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:16 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames Kirpal, The term in the tax Code is Placed Into Service. What is the date that the system was placed into service such that it can serve the purpose for which it was built? Note that the date is the date on which the system is capable of serving the purpose, regardless of whether or not the owner chooses to use the system for that purpose. In this case, backfeeding a net meter is clearly part of the purpose of the system. As such the system cannot be placed into service until the net meter is in place. Hold off on the interconnection until January. Of course, this is all strictly a matter which can only be discussed between the owner and his tax advisor. :-) Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems 303 Redbud Way Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 401-8024 www.berkeleysolar.com http://www.berkeleysolar.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirpal Khalsa Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:00 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames Greetings..we recently installed a solar pv system on a residential customer and it has been inspected by both the local electrical inspector and the state rebate authority and approved. Now that we have passed those inspections, the next phase of the process is having the utility company come out and install their new meter for net metering..I was wondering if anyone has a definitive answer as to what actually commissions the system? We are thinking of having the power company hold off until after the new year so that the customer can get the 2009 tax credits instead of the 2008 credits... The question is does the system get commissioned once it is inspected or once the power company gets the new meter installed so that the system can actually be turned on. Thanks for any advice...It actually could be worth its weight in gold!... Cheers, Kirpal Khalsa Renewable Energy Systems www.oregonsolarworks.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1828 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 8:05 AM ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames
Greetings..we recently installed a solar pv system on a residential customer and it has been inspected by both the local electrical inspector and the state rebate authority and approved. Now that we have passed those inspections, the next phase of the process is having the utility company come out and install their new meter for net metering..I was wondering if anyone has a definitive answer as to what actually commissions the system? We are thinking of having the power company hold off until after the new year so that the customer can get the 2009 tax credits instead of the 2008 credits... The question is does the system get commissioned once it is inspected or once the power company gets the new meter installed so that the system can actually be turned on. Thanks for any advice...It actually could be worth its weight in gold!... Cheers, Kirpal Khalsa Renewable Energy Systems www.oregonsolarworks.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames
Kirpal, Back in 2005 when the rebates were first on the horizon, Austin Energy would voluntarilyat the request of customershold off placing their PV kWh meter until after January 1, 2006. The intent was to put off commissioning systems before the rebate was available. Best, David On 12/3/08 12:59 PM, Kirpal Khalsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings..we recently installed a solar pv system on a residential customer and it has been inspected by both the local electrical inspector and the state rebate authority and approved. Now that we have passed those inspections, the next phase of the process is having the utility company come out and install their new meter for net metering..I was wondering if anyone has a definitive answer as to what actually commissions the system? We are thinking of having the power company hold off until after the new year so that the customer can get the 2009 tax credits instead of the 2008 credits... The question is does the system get commissioned once it is inspected or once the power company gets the new meter installed so that the system can actually be turned on. Thanks for any advice...It actually could be worth its weight in gold!... Cheers, Kirpal Khalsa Renewable Energy Systems www.oregonsolarworks.com http://www.oregonsolarworks.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames
Dear Kirpal, Control your work. You (not the AHJs or the utility company) should define commissioning and when it occurs. Make your own commissioning form. You can copy someone else's form, see http://www.atlantisenergy.org/Atlantis_Commissioning_Plan.pdf or search the internet for other forms at http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=commissioning+pv+system I use the commissioning and/or final inspection form as a customer sign-off and a record that the job is completed, inspected, approved by and turned over to the customer. Joel Davidson From: Kirpal Khalsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:59:59 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames Greetings..we recently installed a solar pv system on a residential customer and it has been inspected by both the local electrical inspector and the state rebate authority and approved. Now that we have passed those inspections, the next phase of the process is having the utility company come out and install their new meter for net metering..I was wondering if anyone has a definitive answer as to what actually commissions the system? We are thinking of having the power company hold off until after the new year so that the customer can get the 2009 tax credits instead of the 2008 credits... The question is does the system get commissioned once it is inspected or once the power company gets the new meter installed so that the system can actually be turned on. Thanks for any advice...It actually could be worth its weight in gold!... Cheers, Kirpal Khalsa Renewable Energy Systems www.oregonsolarworks.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames
Correct, but w/out the PV meter the system could not be commissioned. For the customer, it created a paper trail helping to verify the commissioning date. On 12/3/08 1:32 PM, Joel Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is nice to have a good working relationship with the utility, but scheduling and placing meters are just part of the job, not commissioning. From: David Brearley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:19:11 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames Kirpal, Back in 2005 when the rebates were first on the horizon, Austin Energy would voluntarilyat the request of customershold off placing their PV kWh meter until after January 1, 2006. The intent was to put off commissioning systems before the rebate was available. Best, David On 12/3/08 12:59 PM, Kirpal Khalsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings..we recently installed a solar pv system on a residential customer and it has been inspected by both the local electrical inspector and the state rebate authority and approved. Now that we have passed those inspections, the next phase of the process is having the utility company come out and install their new meter for net metering..I was wondering if anyone has a definitive answer as to what actually commissions the system? We are thinking of having the power company hold off until after the new year so that the customer can get the 2009 tax credits instead of the 2008 credits... The question is does the system get commissioned once it is inspected or once the power company gets the new meter installed so that the system can actually be turned on. Thanks for any advice...It actually could be worth its weight in gold!... Cheers, Kirpal Khalsa Renewable Energy Systems www.oregonsolarworks.com http://www.oregonsolarworks.com/ http://www.oregonsolarworks.com http://www.oregonsolarworks.com/ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org David Brearley, Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: 541.261.6545 Fax: 541.512.0343 Visit our Web site at solarprofessional.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] system commissioning time frames
Kirpal et al,I'm wondering how the tax code will allow a 2008-installed but 2009-commissioned system to be expensed as a 2009 expense, for tax credit purposes, if the payments were made by the system owner in 2008? Bruce EricksonMendocino Solar Service707-937-1701707-937-1741 faxPO Box 1252Mendocino, CA 95460 "Serving the Solar System" On Dec 3, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Kirpal Khalsa wrote:Greetings..we recently installed a solar pv system on a residential customer and it has been inspected by both the local electrical inspector and the state rebate authority and approved. Now that we have passed those inspections, the next phase of the process is having the utility company come out and install their new meter for net metering..I was wondering if anyone has a definitive answer as to what actually commissions the system? We are thinking of having the power company hold off until after the new year so that the customer can get the 2009 tax credits instead of the 2008 credits... The question is does the system get commissioned once it is inspected or once the power company gets the new meter installed so that the system can actually be turned on.Thanks for any advice...It actually could be worth its weight in gold!... Cheers,Kirpal KhalsaRenewable Energy Systemswww.oregonsolarworks.com___List sponsored by Home Power magazineList Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.orgOptions settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList rules etiquette:www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htmCheck out participant bios:www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
