Re: [RE-wrenches] whos doing the PV testing

2009-09-30 Thread David Brearley
Jay,

According to Pat Saxon at the California Energy Commission, the list of
approved test facilities currently include: CSA, Intertek (ETL) and UL. TUV
Rheinland of North America is in the process of expanding their scope to
include this testing. The testing performed includes portions, but not all,
of IEC 61215 (for c-SI) and IEC 61646 (for thin film). The nominal operating
cell temperature (NOCT) and the temperature coefficient of power
measurements reported from these third party testing laboratories are now
used to derive the PTC ratings for CEC eligible modules. That¹s basically
the change; previously these values were self-reported by the manufacturers,
generally optimistically.

A section in one of our feature articles, a recent QA response and a letter
in our Mail department cover aspects of the new testing. If you would like
me to send you links or PDFs to these sources just contact me offline.

Best regards,

David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor
SolarPro magazine 
NABCEP Certified PV Installer 
david.brear...@solarprofessional.com
Direct: 541.261.6545
Fax:  541.512.0343

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On 9/29/09 10:30 PM, jay peltz j...@asis.com wrote:

 HI All,
 
 Im wondering if anyone knows who is doing the new 3rd party PV
 testing for california?
 
 And also how they are doing it, ie real world testing or modeling.
 
 thanks,
 
 jay
 
 peltz power
 
 

 





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Re: [RE-wrenches] whos doing the PV testing

2009-09-30 Thread David Brearley
Yes, the 3rd-part labs determine the temp coefficients.

From the ³PV Module Eligibility Procedure² PDF on gosolarcalifornia.org:

³The process for adding PV modules to the SB1 list is as follows: 
   
1. 
The manufacturer gets their product certified to UL 1703.  UL, CSA, and Inte
rtek are the  
NRTLs who can currently perform this testing. 
  
2. 
The manufacturer gets additional performance parameter testing completed by 
an  
ILAC-affiliated laboratory as listed above.  Detailed information on the tes
ts can be  
found on the equipment request form in Step 3.  The additional performance p
arameter 
testing required is shown below: 
  
Crystalline modules 
IEC 61215 Sections:  
10.2Maximum Power Determination 
10.4Measurement of Temperature Coefficients 
10.5Measurement of NOCT 
10.6Performance at STC and NOCT 
10.7Performance at Low Irradiance 
  
3. 
The manufacturer fills out the Energy Commission equipment application form,
 found  
here: http://gosolarcalifornia.org/equipment/documents/EQUIPMENT_REQUEST.DOC
  
  
4. 
The manufacturer emails a copy of the UL 1703 Certification Letter, the ILAC
 laboratory  
test report, and the Energy Commission equipment application form to Daria M
ashnik.   
All documentation must be in English ­ KEMA will reject any test reports tha
t are not  
in English.²



On 9/30/09 10:28 AM, jay peltz j...@asis.com wrote:

 Hi David,
 
 Yes I saw the piece in the new SolarPro.
 
 Do you know if they are also testing for temp derating, or are we still going
 to be using the manufacturers % loss's?
 
 thanks,
 
 jay
 
 peltz power
 On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:59 AM, David Brearley wrote:
 
  Jay,
  
  According to Pat Saxon at the California Energy Commission, the list of
 approved test facilities currently include: CSA, Intertek (ETL) and UL. TUV
 Rheinland of North America is in the process of expanding their scope to
 include this testing. The testing performed includes portions, but not all,
 of IEC 61215 (for c-SI) and IEC 61646 (for thin film). The nominal operating
 cell temperature (NOCT) and the temperature coefficient of power measurements
 reported from these third party testing laboratories are now used to derive
 the PTC ratings for CEC eligible modules. That¹s basically the change;
 previously these values were self-reported by the manufacturers, generally
 optimistically.
  
  A section in one of our feature articles, a recent QA response and a letter
 in our Mail department cover aspects of the new testing. If you would like me
 to send you links or PDFs to these sources just contact me offline.
  
  Best regards,
  
  David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor
  SolarPro magazine
  NABCEP Certified PV Installer 
  david.brear...@solarprofessional.com
  Direct: 541.261.6545
  Fax:  541.512.0343
  
  Visit our Web site at solarprofessional.com
  
  (Sample copy available for download at: solarprofessional.com/sample)
  
  On 9/29/09 10:30 PM, jay peltz j...@asis.com wrote:
  
   HI All,
   
   Im wondering if anyone knows who is doing the new 3rd party PV
   testing for california?
   
   And also how they are doing it, ie real world testing or modeling.
   
   thanks,
   
   jay
   
   peltz power
   
   
  
   
  
  
  
  
   
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SolarPro magazine 
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david.brear...@solarprofessional.com
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[RE-wrenches] whos doing the PV testing

2009-09-29 Thread jay peltz

HI All,

Im wondering if anyone knows who is doing the new 3rd party PV  
testing for california?


And also how they are doing it, ie real world testing or modeling.

thanks,

jay

peltz power


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