Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Jeremy Rodriguez]

This is for a PIKA wind turbine.
We have since been in contact with that support group at Generac.



Jeremy Rodriguez
Solar Installation / Design Expert
All Solar, Inc.
1463 M St
Penrose Colorado 81240

Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand.

On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Chris Mason  wrote:


I'm a PWRCell dealer and a Generac generator dealer, I could ask if you want. 
Contact me off list and I will get the serial number and find out.
Generac will offer generator input soon, likely before the end of the year.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez 
mailto:allsolarjer...@msn.com>> wrote:
If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former PIKA ENERGY support 
group, please contact me off list.
Or if anyone knows where one could get one of their inverters rebuilt/repaired 
let me know.

Jeremy Rodriguez
Solar Installation / Design Expert
All Solar, Inc.
1463 M St
Penrose Colorado 81240

Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Chris Mason]

I'm a PWRCell dealer and a Generac generator dealer, I could ask if you
want. Contact me off list and I will get the serial number and find out.
Generac will offer generator input soon, likely before the end of the year.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez 
wrote:

> If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former PIKA ENERGY
> support group, please contact me off list.
> Or if anyone knows where one could get one of their inverters
> rebuilt/repaired let me know.
>
> Jeremy Rodriguez
> Solar Installation / Design Expert
> All Solar, Inc.
> 1463 M St
> Penrose Colorado 81240
>
> Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[John Blittersdorf]

Speaking of PIKA support...are there some installations out there with the
PIKA wind turbine included.  I would like to hear about how well they
worked grid tie or off grid. My only experience is with the off grid
version which is still working fine.  My run with keeping Bergey XL.1’s
flying is getting more difficult due to lack of parts.  All my scrapped
units due to tower crashes are mostly all cannibalized.  Still close to 30
still running. Wind turbines do work well in hot dry winds which seem to be
increasing these days.

John Blittersdorf
CV Wind Service

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 4:28 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> Ray there really is not much different thermal mass than any other modern
> well maintained home. These homes are 2 x 6 walls, R60 in the ceilings and
> common sense window coverings.
>
>
> Pretty much standard offgrid for those who can afford it. They want to
> succeed in one the hardest climates. The Southeast US and the tropics for
> that matter are tuff. Easier to heat in Alaska I think.
>
>
> The Afternoon high heat is carried  by the mini-split and a southwestern
> array. The morning recool, down from 77f, is the southeast array.
>
>
> Full on, a quality 1 ton is pulling 1400 watts or so when the variable
> speed compressor is at max rpm. The speed/power is controlled by the
> differential of programmed temp to actual.
>
>
> Short of that, on lousy days in cooling season, it is either the large
> battery or a genset.
>
>
> This system cooling strategy also works because I also lived in the
> tropics for a decade. Lot's of happy customers :) They love winter in the
> southeast. The mean season for now in the southeast, just like here in the
> Sierra with 700 feet of smoke visibility [image: Wink]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar"we go where powerlines 
> don't"http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 13:25:08 -0600, Ray  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I was involved in Btu calculations in a previous life. Most HVAC folks
> over kill it, instead of really doing the detailed room by room calcs.
>
>
> My guess is that your systems are working because:
>
>
> A)There is really good insulation and air seal.
>
>
> B) there is enough thermal mass to carry the house through the high heat
> of the late afternoons.
>
>
> Ray Walters
>
> Remote Solar
>
> 303 505-8760
>
>
>
> On 9/12/20 5:09 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>
> They run at night set at 77f. We use a 1 ton, 12,000 btu and a 2nd spare
> for day use. The spare is rarely needed. These are near 30 SEER, the most
> expensive model in each make. LG, Mitsu, Fujitsu.  Just after dawn when the
> array is lit, we drop the program temp to 74 or so.
>
>
> Most HVAC will tell you this won't work. I have been doing this since 2007
> when they started coming out in the US. They sip power at night like a
> small child :) The HVAC people have the mentality that you need to cool a
> hot house down in 30 minutes and that is how they size. Offgrid, we never
> let it get that hot, as we live there and can leave it on. There is no
> power bill except the big one at the beginning!
>
>
> There are a few other strategies I use also.  Right now it is full smoke
> here from the wildfires, the whole 1800 sqft house is using 400 watts and
> it is 74 in and 86 outside. We often have 100 degree weather and it does
> use more. In smoke like this, the split pressurizes the home and aids in
> keeping smoke outside also. That is a very nice thing. Some of the folks in
> the area just got PG  back after the PSPS. Not fun for them! Take a peek
> at my picture link on the webpage below.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar"we go where powerlines 
> don't"http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:51:39 -0600, Ray 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> What size Air Conditioners? Those seem like really small battery banks for
> that.  I suppose they just run in the day mostly when the sun is shinning?
>
>
> Ray Walters
>
> Remote Solar
>
> 303 505-8760
>
>
>
> On 9/12/20 3:25 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I have 5 clients in Florida running mini-split heat pumps offgrid. The
> smallest is a 13 kwh useable and the rest running L16 2v cells @ 48v
> nominal.  Not trying to be a contrarian but with a 2,000 square foot house
> with great insulation and SEER numbers around 30, it is not that hard. Need
> alot of solar, and virtual tracking for the afternoon thunderstorms in the
> south also.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar"we go where powerlines 
> don't"http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Sep 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

Ray there really is not much different thermal mass than any other
modern well maintained home. These homes are 2 x 6 walls, R60 in the
ceilings and common sense window coverings. 

Pretty much standard offgrid
for those who can afford it. They want to succeed in one the hardest
climates. The Southeast US and the tropics for that matter are tuff. Easier
to heat in Alaska I think. 

The Afternoon high heat is carried by the
mini-split and a southwestern array. The morning recool, down from 77f, is
the southeast array. 

Full on, a quality 1 ton is pulling 1400 watts or so
when the variable speed compressor is at max rpm. The speed/power is
controlled by the differential of programmed temp to actual. 

Short of
that, on lousy days in cooling season, it is either the large battery or a
genset.  

This system cooling strategy also works because I also lived in
the tropics for a decade. Lot's of happy customers :) They love winter in
the southeast. The mean season for now in the southeast, just like here in
the Sierra with 700 feet of smoke visibility   

Dave Angelini Offgrid
Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
[1]
e-mail offgridso...@sti.net [2]
text 209 813 0060

On Sun, 13 Sep 2020
13:25:08 -0600, Ray  wrote:

I was involved in Btu calculations in a
previous life. Most HVAC folks over kill it, instead of really doing the
detailed room by room calcs.  

My guess is that your systems are working
because: 

A)There is really good insulation and air seal. 

B) there is
enough thermal mass to carry the house through the high heat of the late
afternoons. 
Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760
 On 9/12/20 5:09 PM,
Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:  

Hi Ray, 

They run at night set at
77f. We use a 1 ton, 12,000 btu and a 2nd spare for day use. The spare is
rarely needed. These are near 30 SEER, the most expensive model in each
make. LG, Mitsu, Fujitsu. Just after dawn when the array is lit, we drop
the program temp to 74 or so. 

Most HVAC will tell you this won't work. I
have been doing this since 2007 when they started coming out in the US.
They sip power at night like a small child :) The HVAC people have the
mentality that you need to cool a hot house down in 30 minutes and that is
how they size. Offgrid, we never let it get that hot, as we live there and
can leave it on. There is no power bill except the big one at the
beginning! 

There are a few other strategies I use also. Right now it is
full smoke here from the wildfires, the whole 1800 sqft house is using 400
watts and it is 74 in and 86 outside. We often have 100 degree weather and
it does use more. In smoke like this, the split pressurizes the home and
aids in keeping smoke outside also. That is a very nice thing. Some of the
folks in the area just got PG ">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where
powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [3]
e-mail
offgridso...@sti.net [4]
text 209 813 0060

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:51:39
-0600, Ray  [5] wrote:  

What size Air Conditioners? Those seem like
really small battery banks for that. I suppose they just run in the day
mostly when the sun is shinning? 
Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760
 On
9/12/20 3:25 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:  

I have 5 clients in
Florida running mini-split heat pumps offgrid. The smallest is a 13 kwh
useable and the rest running L16 2v cells @ 48v nominal. Not trying to be a
contrarian but with a 2,000 square foot house with great insulation and
SEER numbers around 30, it is not that hard. Need alot of solar, and
virtual tracking for the afternoon thunderstorms in the south also.  

Dave
Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines
don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [6]
e-mail offgridso...@sti.net
[7]
text 209 813 0060

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:54:39 -0400, Jason Szumlanski
[8] wrote:  54kWh doesn't go far for air conditioning in September in
Southwest Florida. Trust me. Most homes have $200+ electric bills at
$0.10/kWh this time of year, sometimes substantially more.   Generator
backup, even with 4 Powerwalls, is necessary for mission-critical grid-tied
backup situations. Sadly, you can't charge Powerwalls with a generator. You
just bypass battery storage and run loads straight off the generator, which
means the generator needs to be sized for the whole home. It would be nice
to have a generator input for supplemental charging at least with a small
portable unit.   There is no perfect solution for this application. At
least no cost-effective solution.
  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:06 PM
August Goers  wrote:  Hi Bill -   I completely agree with your statement
about all off-grid applications. Most if not all need generators. And, I do
think there are some grid tied applications where generators make sense
too, especially for folks who live way out in the woods as you mention. I
was speaking about the mass market in CA in cities or towns where the grid
is typically fairly reliable. If you install four 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Ray]

I was involved in Btu calculations in a previous life. Most HVAC folks 
over kill it, instead of really doing the detailed room by room calcs.


My guess is that your systems are working because:

A)There is really good insulation and air seal.

B) there is enough thermal mass to carry the house through the high heat 
of the late afternoons.


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 9/12/20 5:09 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:


Hi Ray,

They run at night set at 77f. We use a 1 ton, 12,000 btu and a 2nd 
spare for day use. The spare is rarely needed. These are near 30 SEER, 
the most expensive model in each make. LG, Mitsu, Fujitsu.  Just after 
dawn when the array is lit, we drop the program temp to 74 or so.


Most HVAC will tell you this won't work. I have been doing this since 
2007 when they started coming out in the US. They sip power at night 
like a small child :) The HVAC people have the mentality that you need 
to cool a hot house down in 30 minutes and that is how they size. 
Offgrid, we never let it get that hot, as we live there and can leave 
it on. There is no power bill except the big one at the beginning!


There are a few other strategies I use also.  Right now it is full 
smoke here from the wildfires, the whole 1800 sqft house is using 400 
watts and it is 74 in and 86 outside. We often have 100 degree weather 
and it does use more. In smoke like this, the split pressurizes the 
home and aids in keeping smoke outside also. That is a very nice 
thing. Some of the folks in the area just got PG  back after the 
PSPS. Not fun for them! Take a peek at my picture link on the webpage 
below.


  
*Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" 
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net 
 text 209 813 0060*


On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:51:39 -0600, Ray  wrote:

What size Air Conditioners? Those seem like really small battery 
banks for that.  I suppose they just run in the day mostly when the 
sun is shinning?


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760
On 9/12/20 3:25 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:


I have 5 clients in Florida running mini-split heat pumps offgrid. 
The smallest is a 13 kwh useable and the rest running L16 2v cells @ 
48v nominal.  Not trying to be a contrarian but with a 2,000 square 
foot house with great insulation and SEER numbers around 30, it is 
not that hard. Need alot of solar, and virtual tracking for the 
afternoon thunderstorms in the south also.


  
*Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" 
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net 
 text 209 813 0060*


On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:54:39 -0400, Jason Szumlanski 
 wrote:


54kWh doesn't go far for air conditioning in September in
Southwest Florida. Trust me. Most homes have $200+ electric
bills at $0.10/kWh this time of year, sometimes substantially more.
Generator backup, even with 4 Powerwalls, is necessary for
mission-critical grid-tied backup situations. Sadly, you can't
charge Powerwalls with a generator. You just bypass battery
storage and run loads straight off the generator, which means
the generator needs to be sized for the whole home. It would be
nice to have a generator input for supplemental charging at
least with a small portable unit.
There is no perfect solution for this application. At least no
cost-effective solution.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:06 PM August Goers
mailto:aug...@luminalt.com>> wrote:

Hi Bill -
I completely agree with your statement about all off-grid
applications. Most if not all need generators. And, I do
think there are some grid tied applications where generators
make sense too, especially for folks who live way out in the
woods as you mention. I was speaking about the mass market
in CA in cities or towns where the grid is typically fairly
reliable. If you install four Powerwalls, for example, you
have up to 54 kWh of storage available. There are
applications where generators make sense, and all these
fires and smoke and heat waves prove the point. I think AC
is critical for some parts of the country, and energy
storage + PV alone just won't cut it for those critical
applications.
But, yes, good point.
August


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:33 PM frenergy mailto:frene...@psln.com>> wrote:

August,

            Quite frankly and with due respect about the
comment about more PV and battery to forego the need for
a generator, I disagree. Those folks living off-grid in
the sticks (um,er, myself included), it would be a very
bad thing not to have Gen input.  The current situation
here in Plumas county  (and many other counties right
now) is another perfect example.  

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

Hi Ray, 

They run at night set at 77f. We use a 1 ton, 12,000 btu and a
2nd spare for day use. The spare is rarely needed. These are near 30 SEER,
the most expensive model in each make. LG, Mitsu, Fujitsu. Just after dawn
when the array is lit, we drop the program temp to 74 or so. 

Most HVAC
will tell you this won't work. I have been doing this since 2007 when they
started coming out in the US. They sip power at night like a small child :)
The HVAC people have the mentality that you need to cool a hot house down
in 30 minutes and that is how they size. Offgrid, we never let it get that
hot, as we live there and can leave it on. There is no power bill except
the big one at the beginning! 

There are a few other strategies I use
also. Right now it is full smoke here from the wildfires, the whole 1800
sqft house is using 400 watts and it is 74 in and 86 outside. We often have
100 degree weather and it does use more. In smoke like this, the split
pressurizes the home and aids in keeping smoke outside also. That is a very
nice thing. Some of the folks in the area just got PG ">Dave Angelini
Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines
don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1]
e-mail offgridso...@sti.net
[2]
text 209 813 0060

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:51:39 -0600, Ray  wrote:   


What size Air Conditioners? Those seem like really small battery banks
for that. I suppose they just run in the day mostly when the sun is
shinning? 
Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760
 On 9/12/20 3:25 PM, Dave
Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:  

I have 5 clients in Florida running
mini-split heat pumps offgrid. The smallest is a 13 kwh useable and the
rest running L16 2v cells @ 48v nominal. Not trying to be a contrarian but
with a 2,000 square foot house with great insulation and SEER numbers
around 30, it is not that hard. Need alot of solar, and virtual tracking
for the afternoon thunderstorms in the south also.  

Dave Angelini Offgrid
Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
[3]
e-mail offgridso...@sti.net [4]
text 209 813 0060

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020
12:54:39 -0400, Jason Szumlanski  [5] wrote:  54kWh doesn't go far for
air conditioning in September in Southwest Florida. Trust me. Most homes
have $200+ electric bills at $0.10/kWh this time of year, sometimes
substantially more.   Generator backup, even with 4 Powerwalls, is
necessary for mission-critical grid-tied backup situations. Sadly, you
can't charge Powerwalls with a generator. You just bypass battery storage
and run loads straight off the generator, which means the generator needs
to be sized for the whole home. It would be nice to have a generator input
for supplemental charging at least with a small portable unit.   There is
no perfect solution for this application. At least no cost-effective
solution.
  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:06 PM August Goers  wrote:  Hi
Bill -   I completely agree with your statement about all off-grid
applications. Most if not all need generators. And, I do think there are
some grid tied applications where generators make sense too, especially for
folks who live way out in the woods as you mention. I was speaking about
the mass market in CA in cities or towns where the grid is typically fairly
reliable. If you install four Powerwalls, for example, you have up to 54
kWh of storage available. There are applications where generators make
sense, and all these fires and smoke and heat waves prove the point. I
think AC is critical for some parts of the country, and energy storage + PV
alone just won't cut it for those critical applications.   But, yes, good
point.   August  

  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:33 PM frenergy  wrote:  


August, 

 Quite frankly and with due respect about the comment about
more PV and battery to forego the need for a generator, I disagree. Those
folks living off-grid in the sticks (um,er, myself included), it would be a
very bad thing not to have Gen input. The current situation here in Plumas
county (and many other counties right now) is another perfect example. It
is so smokey that my daily KWhrs has been cut in half and of course every
other off-grid home is having the same issue. This has been going on for
almost a month with only occasional breaks. There are also CC failures, FET
board craps out, other excrement occurs. 

 We all know there are many
critical needs for power especially to run a pump for fire protection, frig
for food, communication to know what the hell may coming your way during
some event (fire, flood, bad weather) medical needs, etc. In the winter
there are at least a few times when there is little or no sun for 1 maybe 2
weeks...that gets to be a spendy array and battery. Certainly, the idea of
going that route works for some scenarios but not off-grid. Generators are
still a much needed necessary evil. Maybe its a big deal to incorporate
that feature in an inverter?? Sounds like bean counting. 

My $.02 worth


Bill 
Feather River Solar Electric 
Bill 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Ray]

What size Air Conditioners? Those seem like really small battery banks 
for that.  I suppose they just run in the day mostly when the sun is 
shinning?


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 9/12/20 3:25 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:


I have 5 clients in Florida running mini-split heat pumps offgrid. The 
smallest is a 13 kwh useable and the rest running L16 2v cells @ 48v 
nominal.  Not trying to be a contrarian but with a 2,000 square foot 
house with great insulation and SEER numbers around 30, it is not that 
hard. Need alot of solar, and virtual tracking for the afternoon 
thunderstorms in the south also.


  
*Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" 
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net 
 text 209 813 0060*


On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:54:39 -0400, Jason Szumlanski 
 wrote:


54kWh doesn't go far for air conditioning in September in Southwest 
Florida. Trust me. Most homes have $200+ electric bills at $0.10/kWh 
this time of year, sometimes substantially more.
Generator backup, even with 4 Powerwalls, is necessary for 
mission-critical grid-tied backup situations. Sadly, you can't charge 
Powerwalls with a generator. You just bypass battery storage and run 
loads straight off the generator, which means the generator needs to 
be sized for the whole home. It would be nice to have a generator 
input for supplemental charging at least with a small portable unit.
There is no perfect solution for this application. At least no 
cost-effective solution.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:06 PM August Goers > wrote:


Hi Bill -
I completely agree with your statement about all off-grid
applications. Most if not all need generators. And, I do think
there are some grid tied applications where generators make sense
too, especially for folks who live way out in the woods as you
mention. I was speaking about the mass market in CA in cities or
towns where the grid is typically fairly reliable. If you install
four Powerwalls, for example, you have up to 54 kWh of storage
available. There are applications where generators make sense,
and all these fires and smoke and heat waves prove the point. I
think AC is critical for some parts of the country, and energy
storage + PV alone just won't cut it for those critical applications.
But, yes, good point.
August


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:33 PM frenergy mailto:frene...@psln.com>> wrote:

August,

            Quite frankly and with due respect about the
comment about more PV and battery to forego the need for a
generator, I disagree. Those folks living off-grid in the
sticks (um,er, myself included), it would be a very bad thing
not to have Gen input.  The current situation here in Plumas
county  (and many other counties right now) is another
perfect example.  It is so smokey that my daily KWhrs has
been cut in half and of course every other off-grid home is
having the same issue. This has been going on for almost a
month with only occasional breaks.  There are also CC
failures, FET board craps out, other excrement occurs.

        We all know there are many critical needs for
power especially to run a pump for fire protection, frig for
food, communication to know what the hell may coming your way
during some event (fire, flood, bad weather) medical needs,
etc.  In the winter there are at least a few times when there
is little or no sun for 1 maybe 2 weeks...that gets to be a
spendy array and battery.  Certainly, the idea of going that
route works for some scenarios but not off-grid. Generators
are still a much needed necessary evil.  Maybe its a big deal
to incorporate that feature in an inverter??  Sounds like
bean counting.

My $.02 worth

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net  


On 9/11/2020 1:01 PM, August Goers wrote:

In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied support
features driven by SGIP + backup (public safety power
shutoffs, folks who live in less stable grid areas, folks
worried about natural disasters) so the ESS is designed to
replace generators. This might be a little trickier for
areas that need air conditioning during a grid outage (or
for all electric homes), but one tactic is just to go bigger
with the ESS and PV system. I guess what I'm saying is that
the value proposition might already be getting better just

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

I have 5 clients in Florida running mini-split heat pumps offgrid. The
smallest is a 13 kwh useable and the rest running L16 2v cells @ 48v
nominal. Not trying to be a contrarian but with a 2,000 square foot house
with great insulation and SEER numbers around 30, it is not that hard. Need
alot of solar, and virtual tracking for the afternoon thunderstorms in the
south also.  

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don't"
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:54:39 -0400, Jason Szumlanski
wrote:  54kWh doesn't go far for air conditioning in September in
Southwest Florida. Trust me. Most homes have $200+ electric bills at
$0.10/kWh this time of year, sometimes substantially more.   Generator
backup, even with 4 Powerwalls, is necessary for mission-critical grid-tied
backup situations. Sadly, you can't charge Powerwalls with a generator. You
just bypass battery storage and run loads straight off the generator, which
means the generator needs to be sized for the whole home. It would be nice
to have a generator input for supplemental charging at least with a small
portable unit.   There is no perfect solution for this application. At
least no cost-effective solution.
  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:06 PM
August Goers  wrote:  Hi Bill -   I completely agree with your statement
about all off-grid applications. Most if not all need generators. And, I do
think there are some grid tied applications where generators make sense
too, especially for folks who live way out in the woods as you mention. I
was speaking about the mass market in CA in cities or towns where the grid
is typically fairly reliable. If you install four Powerwalls, for example,
you have up to 54 kWh of storage available. There are applications where
generators make sense, and all these fires and smoke and heat waves prove
the point. I think AC is critical for some parts of the country, and energy
storage + PV alone just won't cut it for those critical applications.  
But, yes, good point.   August  

  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:33 PM
frenergy  wrote:   

August, 

 Quite frankly and with due respect about
the comment about more PV and battery to forego the need for a generator, I
disagree. Those folks living off-grid in the sticks (um,er, myself
included), it would be a very bad thing not to have Gen input. The current
situation here in Plumas county (and many other counties right now) is
another perfect example. It is so smokey that my daily KWhrs has been cut
in half and of course every other off-grid home is having the same issue.
This has been going on for almost a month with only occasional breaks.
There are also CC failures, FET board craps out, other excrement occurs. 


We all know there are many critical needs for power especially to run a
pump for fire protection, frig for food, communication to know what the
hell may coming your way during some event (fire, flood, bad weather)
medical needs, etc. In the winter there are at least a few times when there
is little or no sun for 1 maybe 2 weeks...that gets to be a spendy array
and battery. Certainly, the idea of going that route works for some
scenarios but not off-grid. Generators are still a much needed necessary
evil. Maybe its a big deal to incorporate that feature in an inverter??
Sounds like bean counting. 

My $.02 worth 

Bill 
Feather River Solar
Electric 
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA
95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net [5]
 On 9/11/2020 1:01
PM, August Goers wrote:  In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied
support features driven by SGIP + backup (public safety power shutoffs,
folks who live in less stable grid areas, folks worried about natural
disasters) so the ESS is designed to replace generators. This might be a
little trickier for areas that need air conditioning during a grid outage
(or for all electric homes), but one tactic is just to go bigger with the
ESS and PV system. I guess what I'm saying is that the value proposition
might already be getting better just to skip the generator and go bigger
with the storage. Even Generac might be going that route.   August

  On
Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski  wrote:We are seeing
tons of companies in Florida offering Generac/Pika now. They didn't do it
when it was Pika, so why would they now that it has an orange label? Crazy.
  No generator input makes zero sense and even less sense for a generator
manufacturer.

  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris
Schaefer  wrote:  Jeremy, Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as
their PWR cell. Most of the old crew from Pika are now working for Generac.
It's beyond me that Generac bought them and yet they still don't have a
generator input. That's why I could never sign on to the Pika product line.
Good luck.   Christopher  
  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy
Rodriguez  wrote:  If anyone has any info 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Jason Szumlanski]

54kWh doesn't go far for air conditioning in September in Southwest
Florida. Trust me. Most homes have $200+ electric bills at $0.10/kWh this
time of year, sometimes substantially more.

Generator backup, even with 4 Powerwalls, is necessary for mission-critical
grid-tied backup situations. Sadly, you can't charge Powerwalls with a
generator. You just bypass battery storage and run loads straight off the
generator, which means the generator needs to be sized for the whole home.
It would be nice to have a generator input for supplemental charging at
least with a small portable unit.

There is no perfect solution for this application. At least no
cost-effective solution.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:06 PM August Goers  wrote:

> Hi Bill -
>
> I completely agree with your statement about all off-grid applications.
> Most if not all need generators. And, I do think there are some grid tied
> applications where generators make sense too, especially for folks who live
> way out in the woods as you mention. I was speaking about the mass market
> in CA in cities or towns where the grid is typically fairly reliable. If
> you install four Powerwalls, for example, you have up to 54 kWh of storage
> available. There are applications where generators make sense, and all
> these fires and smoke and heat waves prove the point. I think AC is
> critical for some parts of the country, and energy storage + PV alone just
> won't cut it for those critical applications.
>
> But, yes, good point.
>
> August
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:33 PM frenergy  wrote:
>
>> August,
>>
>> Quite frankly and with due respect about the comment about
>> more PV and battery to forego the need for a generator, I disagree. Those
>> folks living off-grid in the sticks (um,er, myself included), it would be a
>> very bad thing not to have Gen input.  The current situation here in Plumas
>> county  (and many other counties right now) is another perfect example.  It
>> is so smokey that my daily KWhrs has been cut in half and of course every
>> other off-grid home is having the same issue. This has been going on for
>> almost a month with only occasional breaks.  There are also CC failures,
>> FET board craps out, other excrement occurs.
>>
>> We all know there are many critical needs for power
>> especially to run a pump for fire protection, frig for food, communication
>> to know what the hell may coming your way during some event (fire, flood,
>> bad weather) medical needs, etc.  In the winter there are at least a few
>> times when there is little or no sun for 1 maybe 2 weeks...that gets to be
>> a spendy array and battery.  Certainly, the idea of going that route works
>> for some scenarios but not off-grid.  Generators are still a much needed
>> necessary evil.  Maybe its a big deal to incorporate that feature in an
>> inverter??  Sounds like bean counting.
>>
>> My $.02 worth
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Feather River Solar Electric
>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>> 4291 Nelson St.
>> Taylorsville, CA 95983
>> 530.284.7849
>> CA Lic 874049www.frenergy.net 
>> 
>>
>> On 9/11/2020 1:01 PM, August Goers wrote:
>>
>> In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied support features driven
>> by SGIP + backup (public safety power shutoffs, folks who live in less
>> stable grid areas, folks worried about natural disasters) so the ESS is
>> designed to replace generators. This might be a little trickier for areas
>> that need air conditioning during a grid outage (or for all electric
>> homes), but one tactic is just to go bigger with the ESS and PV system. I
>> guess what I'm saying is that the value proposition might already be
>> getting better just to skip the generator and go bigger with the storage.
>> Even Generac might be going that route.
>>
>> August
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski <
>> ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We are seeing tons of companies in Florida offering Generac/Pika now.
>>> They didn't do it when it was Pika, so why would they now that it has an
>>> orange label? Crazy.
>>>
>>> No generator input makes zero sense and even less sense for a generator
>>> manufacturer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris Schaefer <
>>> ch...@solarandwindfx.com> wrote:
>>>
 Jeremy,
 Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as their PWR cell. Most of
 the old crew from Pika are now working for Generac. It's beyond me that
 Generac bought them and yet they still don't have a generator input. That's
 why I could never sign on to the Pika product line. Good luck.

 Christopher

 On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez <
 allsolarjer...@msn.com> wrote:

> If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former PIKA ENERGY
> support group, please contact me off list.
> 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[August Goers]

Hi Bill -

I completely agree with your statement about all off-grid applications.
Most if not all need generators. And, I do think there are some grid tied
applications where generators make sense too, especially for folks who live
way out in the woods as you mention. I was speaking about the mass market
in CA in cities or towns where the grid is typically fairly reliable. If
you install four Powerwalls, for example, you have up to 54 kWh of storage
available. There are applications where generators make sense, and all
these fires and smoke and heat waves prove the point. I think AC is
critical for some parts of the country, and energy storage + PV alone just
won't cut it for those critical applications.

But, yes, good point.

August




On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:33 PM frenergy  wrote:

> August,
>
> Quite frankly and with due respect about the comment about
> more PV and battery to forego the need for a generator, I disagree. Those
> folks living off-grid in the sticks (um,er, myself included), it would be a
> very bad thing not to have Gen input.  The current situation here in Plumas
> county  (and many other counties right now) is another perfect example.  It
> is so smokey that my daily KWhrs has been cut in half and of course every
> other off-grid home is having the same issue. This has been going on for
> almost a month with only occasional breaks.  There are also CC failures,
> FET board craps out, other excrement occurs.
>
> We all know there are many critical needs for power especially
> to run a pump for fire protection, frig for food, communication to know
> what the hell may coming your way during some event (fire, flood, bad
> weather) medical needs, etc.  In the winter there are at least a few times
> when there is little or no sun for 1 maybe 2 weeks...that gets to be a
> spendy array and battery.  Certainly, the idea of going that route works
> for some scenarios but not off-grid.  Generators are still a much needed
> necessary evil.  Maybe its a big deal to incorporate that feature in an
> inverter??  Sounds like bean counting.
>
> My $.02 worth
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049www.frenergy.net
>
> On 9/11/2020 1:01 PM, August Goers wrote:
>
> In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied support features driven by
> SGIP + backup (public safety power shutoffs, folks who live in less stable
> grid areas, folks worried about natural disasters) so the ESS is designed
> to replace generators. This might be a little trickier for areas that need
> air conditioning during a grid outage (or for all electric homes), but one
> tactic is just to go bigger with the ESS and PV system. I guess what I'm
> saying is that the value proposition might already be getting better just
> to skip the generator and go bigger with the storage. Even Generac might be
> going that route.
>
> August
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski <
> ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:
>
>> We are seeing tons of companies in Florida offering Generac/Pika now.
>> They didn't do it when it was Pika, so why would they now that it has an
>> orange label? Crazy.
>>
>> No generator input makes zero sense and even less sense for a generator
>> manufacturer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris Schaefer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeremy,
>>> Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as their PWR cell. Most of
>>> the old crew from Pika are now working for Generac. It's beyond me that
>>> Generac bought them and yet they still don't have a generator input. That's
>>> why I could never sign on to the Pika product line. Good luck.
>>>
>>> Christopher
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez <
>>> allsolarjer...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
 If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former PIKA ENERGY
 support group, please contact me off list.
 Or if anyone knows where one could get one of their inverters
 rebuilt/repaired let me know.

 Jeremy Rodriguez
 Solar Installation / Design Expert
 All Solar, Inc.
 1463 M St
 Penrose Colorado 81240

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

 I would just add that the reason there is a generator input, is for
when wildfire smoke, winter storms, and damage to the solar power system
occurs. More solar/storage might not do much good when smoke drops the
solar output by 80%. 

My business can't use SGIP for obvious reasons. PG
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:01:24 -0700, August Goers 
wrote:  In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied support features
driven by SGIP + backup (public safety power shutoffs, folks who live in
less stable grid areas, folks worried about natural disasters) so the ESS
is designed to replace generators. This might be a little trickier for
areas that need air conditioning during a grid outage (or for all electric
homes), but one tactic is just to go bigger with the ESS and PV system. I
guess what I'm saying is that the value proposition might already be
getting better just to skip the generator and go bigger with the storage.
Even Generac might be going that route.   August

  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at
11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski  wrote:  We are seeing tons of companies in
Florida offering Generac/Pika now. They didn't do it when it was Pika, so
why would they now that it has an orange label? Crazy.No generator
input makes zero sense and even less sense for a generator manufacturer.   
   

  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris Schaefer  wrote: 
Jeremy, Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as their PWR cell.
Most of the old crew from Pika are now working for Generac. It's beyond me
that Generac bought them and yet they still don't have a generator input.
That's why I could never sign on to the Pika product line. Good luck.  
Christopher  
  On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez  wrote: 
If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former PIKA ENERGY
support group, please contact me off list. Or if anyone knows where one
could get one of their inverters rebuilt/repaired let me know.

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Rodriguez Solar Installation / Design Expert   All Solar, Inc. 1463 M St

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[frenergy]

August,

            Quite frankly and with due respect about the comment about 
more PV and battery to forego the need for a generator, I disagree. 
Those folks living off-grid in the sticks (um,er, myself included), it 
would be a very bad thing not to have Gen input. The current situation 
here in Plumas county  (and many other counties right now) is another 
perfect example.  It is so smokey that my daily KWhrs has been cut in 
half and of course every other off-grid home is having the same issue. 
This has been going on for almost a month with only occasional breaks.  
There are also CC failures, FET board craps out, other excrement occurs.


        We all know there are many critical needs for power 
especially to run a pump for fire protection, frig for food, 
communication to know what the hell may coming your way during some 
event (fire, flood, bad weather) medical needs, etc.  In the winter 
there are at least a few times when there is little or no sun for 1 
maybe 2 weeks...that gets to be a spendy array and battery.  Certainly, 
the idea of going that route works for some scenarios but not off-grid.  
Generators are still a much needed necessary evil.  Maybe its a big deal 
to incorporate that feature in an inverter??  Sounds like bean counting.


My $.02 worth

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net

On 9/11/2020 1:01 PM, August Goers wrote:
In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied support features 
driven by SGIP + backup (public safety power shutoffs, folks who live 
in less stable grid areas, folks worried about natural disasters) so 
the ESS is designed to replace generators. This might be a little 
trickier for areas that need air conditioning during a grid outage (or 
for all electric homes), but one tactic is just to go bigger with the 
ESS and PV system. I guess what I'm saying is that the value 
proposition might already be getting better just to skip the generator 
and go bigger with the storage. Even Generac might be going that route.


August


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski 
> wrote:


We are seeing tons of companies in Florida offering Generac/Pika
now. They didn't do it when it was Pika, so why would they now
that it has an orange label? Crazy.

No generator input makes zero sense and even less sense for a
generator manufacturer.

*


*


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mailto:ch...@solarandwindfx.com>> wrote:

Jeremy,
Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as their PWR
cell. Most of the old crew from Pika are now working for
Generac. It's beyond me that Generac bought them and yet they
still don't have a generator input. That's why I could never
sign on to the Pika product line. Good luck.

Christopher

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez
mailto:allsolarjer...@msn.com>> wrote:

If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former
PIKA ENERGY support group, please contact me off list.
Or if anyone knows where one could get one of their
inverters rebuilt/repaired let me know.

Jeremy Rodriguez
Solar Installation / Design Expert
All Solar, Inc.
1463 M St
Penrose Colorado 81240

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[August Goers]

In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied support features driven by
SGIP + backup (public safety power shutoffs, folks who live in less stable
grid areas, folks worried about natural disasters) so the ESS is designed
to replace generators. This might be a little trickier for areas that need
air conditioning during a grid outage (or for all electric homes), but one
tactic is just to go bigger with the ESS and PV system. I guess what I'm
saying is that the value proposition might already be getting better just
to skip the generator and go bigger with the storage. Even Generac might be
going that route.

August


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski <
ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:

> We are seeing tons of companies in Florida offering Generac/Pika now. They
> didn't do it when it was Pika, so why would they now that it has an orange
> label? Crazy.
>
> No generator input makes zero sense and even less sense for a generator
> manufacturer.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>> Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as their PWR cell. Most of
>> the old crew from Pika are now working for Generac. It's beyond me that
>> Generac bought them and yet they still don't have a generator input. That's
>> why I could never sign on to the Pika product line. Good luck.
>>
>> Christopher
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Chris Mason]

THe reason they are offering it is probably that they already were Generac
dealers so adding this was an easy addition. Also, Generac is marketing
heavily to dealers now.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:52 PM Jason Szumlanski <
ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:

> We are seeing tons of companies in Florida offering Generac/Pika now. They
> didn't do it when it was Pika, so why would they now that it has an orange
> label? Crazy.
>
> No generator input makes zero sense and even less sense for a generator
> manufacturer.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>> Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as their PWR cell. Most of
>> the old crew from Pika are now working for Generac. It's beyond me that
>> Generac bought them and yet they still don't have a generator input. That's
>> why I could never sign on to the Pika product line. Good luck.
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former PIKA ENERGY
>>> support group, please contact me off list.
>>> Or if anyone knows where one could get one of their inverters
>>> rebuilt/repaired let me know.
>>>
>>> Jeremy Rodriguez
>>> Solar Installation / Design Expert
>>> All Solar, Inc.
>>> 1463 M St
>>> Penrose Colorado 81240
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Jason Szumlanski]

We are seeing tons of companies in Florida offering Generac/Pika now. They
didn't do it when it was Pika, so why would they now that it has an orange
label? Crazy.

No generator input makes zero sense and even less sense for a generator
manufacturer.





On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris Schaefer 
wrote:

> Jeremy,
> Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as their PWR cell. Most of
> the old crew from Pika are now working for Generac. It's beyond me that
> Generac bought them and yet they still don't have a generator input. That's
> why I could never sign on to the Pika product line. Good luck.
>
> Christopher
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez 
> wrote:
>
>> If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former PIKA ENERGY
>> support group, please contact me off list.
>> Or if anyone knows where one could get one of their inverters
>> rebuilt/repaired let me know.
>>
>> Jeremy Rodriguez
>> Solar Installation / Design Expert
>> All Solar, Inc.
>> 1463 M St
>> Penrose Colorado 81240
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?

[Chris Schaefer]

Jeremy,
Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as their PWR cell. Most of the
old crew from Pika are now working for Generac. It's beyond me that Generac
bought them and yet they still don't have a generator input. That's why I
could never sign on to the Pika product line. Good luck.

Christopher

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez 
wrote:

> If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The former PIKA ENERGY
> support group, please contact me off list.
> Or if anyone knows where one could get one of their inverters
> rebuilt/repaired let me know.
>
> Jeremy Rodriguez
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> 1463 M St
> Penrose Colorado 81240
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