Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 5.0/6.0US

2016-02-18 Thread jay 
HI Dan,

Do you have any links on info on the battery?

A quick search didn’t find anything.

Yea I know given SMA time, I’ll be long retired when it comes out but still.

jay

peltz power

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Dan Fink  wrote:
> 
> Wrenches, please correct me if I am off-base here;
> 
> The way I am reading the SMA product info literature is that the BAT relay 
> cnx is for the new up-and-coming 2kW SMA Lithium battery intended for 
> grid-tie load shaving or short-period battery backup (just like the new ones 
> from enphase, tesla, etc) somehow in combination with the SMA daytime Secure 
> Power Supply, and that the BAT cnx can also be used for true off-grid 
> operation with a Sunny Island inverter added in the basement next to the 
> battery bank.
> 
> This all reminds me of the never-ending TV ads for ED meds..."Ask your PV 
> professional if your system is healthy enough for battery backup. If you 
> experience a grid outage lasting longer than 4 hours, contact your PV 
> professional immediately." Except the doctors get their CEUs for free to 
> learn how to diagnose and prescribe those meds, we have to pay all travel, 
> lodging and workshop expenses to learn how to responsibly sell, install and 
> retrofit PV systems for grid tie battery backup.
> 
> Questions about these retrofits are taking up an ever increasing portion of 
> my allotted "free consulting" time for potential customers. I wish somebody 
> offered a NABCEP accredited master class about it with all the gory details.
> 
> Dan Fink
> Adjunct Professor, Ecotech Institute
> IREC Certified Instructor™ for: 
> ~ PV Installation Professional
> ~ Small Wind Installer
> Executive Director, Buckville Energy
> NABCEP Accredited Continuing Education Providers™
> 970.672.4342 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:14 PM, jay  > wrote:
> HI Marco,
> 
> that might indeed be true.
> 
> But there are many references to batteries, battery relay control for battery 
> charging,
> 
> pages below all reference to different battery parameters
> http://files.sma.de/dl/27676/SB5.0-6.0-1SP-US-40-IA-xx-10.pdf 
> 
> 27
> 36
> 37
> 39
> 
> Curious.
> 
> jay
> 
> 
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jay,
> >
> > If you're referring to the new SMA 5 and 6 kW -40 inverters, they are not 
> > battery compatible to my knowledge.
> >
> > marco
> >
> > HI All,
> >
> > I was reading the manual for this new inverter and there are many 
> > references to batteries.
> > No one I’ve asked knows anything about this aspect of the inverter.
> >
> > So I’m posing it here.
> > Does anyone know about the battery aspect of this inverter?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > jay
> >
> > peltz power
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 5.0/6.0US

2016-02-18 Thread Bill Loesch 


Fellow Wrenches,

Would it not be reasonable for the _manufacturer_ of those products to 
offer this info ( so that, at least ideally, those products would be 
sized, installed, and serviced properly) and I might add without the 
added filter and expense of some third party operative.


Bill Loesch
Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar
314 631 1094

On 2/18/2016 6:34 AM, Dan Fink wrote:
I wish somebody offered a NABCEP accredited master class about it with 
all the gory details.






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Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 5.0/6.0US

2016-02-18 Thread Dan Fink 
Wrenches, please correct me if I am off-base here;

The way I am reading the SMA product info literature is that the BAT relay
cnx is for the new up-and-coming 2kW SMA Lithium battery intended for
grid-tie load shaving or short-period battery backup (just like the new
ones from enphase, tesla, etc) somehow in combination with the SMA daytime
Secure Power Supply, and that the BAT cnx can also be used for true
off-grid operation with a Sunny Island inverter added in the basement next
to the battery bank.

This all reminds me of the never-ending TV ads for ED meds..."Ask your PV
professional if your system is healthy enough for battery backup. If you
experience a grid outage lasting longer than 4 hours, contact your PV
professional immediately." Except the doctors get their CEUs for free to
learn how to diagnose and prescribe those meds, we have to pay all travel,
lodging and workshop expenses to learn how to responsibly sell, install and
retrofit PV systems for grid tie battery backup.

Questions about these retrofits are taking up an ever increasing portion of
my allotted "free consulting" time for potential customers. I wish somebody
offered a NABCEP accredited master class about it with all the gory details.

Dan Fink
Adjunct Professor, Ecotech Institute
IREC Certified Instructor™ for:
~ PV Installation Professional
~ Small Wind Installer
Executive Director, Buckville Energy
NABCEP Accredited Continuing Education Providers™
970.672.4342



On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:14 PM, jay  wrote:

> HI Marco,
>
> that might indeed be true.
>
> But there are many references to batteries, battery relay control for
> battery charging,
>
> pages below all reference to different battery parameters
> http://files.sma.de/dl/27676/SB5.0-6.0-1SP-US-40-IA-xx-10.pdf
> 27
> 36
> 37
> 39
>
> Curious.
>
> jay
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jay,
> >
> > If you're referring to the new SMA 5 and 6 kW -40 inverters, they are
> not battery compatible to my knowledge.
> >
> > marco
> >
> > HI All,
> >
> > I was reading the manual for this new inverter and there are many
> references to batteries.
> > No one I’ve asked knows anything about this aspect of the inverter.
> >
> > So I’m posing it here.
> > Does anyone know about the battery aspect of this inverter?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > jay
> >
> > peltz power
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 5.0/6.0US

2016-02-17 Thread jay 
HI Marco,

that might indeed be true.

But there are many references to batteries, battery relay control for battery 
charging, 

pages below all reference to different battery parameters
http://files.sma.de/dl/27676/SB5.0-6.0-1SP-US-40-IA-xx-10.pdf
27
36
37
39

Curious.

jay


> On Feb 17, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jay,
> 
> If you're referring to the new SMA 5 and 6 kW -40 inverters, they are not 
> battery compatible to my knowledge.
> 
> marco
> 
> HI All,
> 
> I was reading the manual for this new inverter and there are many references 
> to batteries.
> No one I’ve asked knows anything about this aspect of the inverter.
> 
> So I’m posing it here.  
> Does anyone know about the battery aspect of this inverter?
> 
> thanks
> 
> jay
> 
> peltz power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 5.0/6.0US

2016-02-17 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf 
Hi Jay,

If you're referring to the new SMA 5 and 6 kW -40 inverters, they are not 
battery compatible to my knowledge.

marco

HI All,

I was reading the manual for this new inverter and there are many references to 
batteries.
No one I’ve asked knows anything about this aspect of the inverter.

So I’m posing it here.  
Does anyone know about the battery aspect of this inverter?

thanks

jay

peltz power
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