Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[b...@midnitesolar.com]

We are also hearing very good reports of longevity with Kestrel's too.

For instance, there is one (110) in Hawaii that has been running with a
Classic without any trouble for about 3 years now.

boB



On 4/11/2012 3:08 AM, Hugh Piggott wrote:

Interesting thread!

We are having some success with a Kestrel turbine here on Scoraig 



I second the idea that Ampair offer a modest but very robust range of 
products for high wind sites.


cheers


Hugh Piggott




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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Hugh Piggott]

Interesting thread!

We are having some success with a Kestrel turbine here on Scoraig

I second the idea that Ampair offer a modest but very robust range of products 
for high wind sites.

cheers


Hugh Piggott

On 3 Apr 2012, at 20:36, Richard L Ratico wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with Kestrel Wind Turbines?
> 
> Dick Ratico
> Solarwind Electric
> 
> 
> --- You wrote:
> SWWP has changed their turbines again. They are now called the the Air 30, Air
> 40 and Air Breeze. The 30 is like the old X land, the 40 is like the old 
> Breeze
> Land and the Breeze is like the old Breeze Marine. The Breeze is the only 
> marine
> model available. Confusing enough? The 40 and Breeze have a limited lifetime
> warranty and all have a new, higher price. 
> 
> Historically the Air products have lasted fairly well and been moderate
> performers. Air X and Air Breeze parts are still available but SWWP has
> discontinued support for all other models. We service, sell and recommend them
> for small PV/wind hybrid systems. AND...they are still USA made! Hurrah!
> 
> Larry Crutcher
> Starlight Solar Power Systems
> (928) 342-9103
> 
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Roy Butler wrote:
> 
> Hi Drake,
> 
> The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly 
> dependable.
> In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module but
> seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.
> 
> It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.
> 
> But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the truth, making 
> it
> somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs worked
> out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and performance
> issues.
> 
> What's the application for this?
> Roy Butler
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Dana]

I forwarded this to Ross Taylor -  trainer for SWWP & Ken Kotalik western
sales rep. for SWWP. I hope to hear back soon from them on this topic.

Thanks
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[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Welch
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:19 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

There is not a SWWP manufacturer representative on this list.

But somebody just posted a Sunforce message on the AWEA small-wind list that
was aimed at SWWP. To join that discussion and list, use this link:


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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Michael Welch]

There is not a SWWP manufacturer representative on this list. 

But somebody just posted a Sunforce message on the AWEA small-wind list that 
was aimed at SWWP. To join that discussion and list, use this link:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/

Dan Fink wrote at 06:02 PM 4/3/2012:
 
>Also note that when you download the Sunforce FAQs
>http://www.sunforceproducts.com/docs/Wind%20General%20FAQs.pdf
>
>That the first part all all about the Skystream. Then it merges into
>the Sunforce 400.
>
>H.
>
>Again, anyone from SWWP here on the list to shed light?
>
>DAN FINK


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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems]

Hi Chris, 

If by "Y'all" you mean me, since that was my comment ;-), I do think the Air X 
and Breeze are a good product overall. I said "fairly well" as we have seen our 
share of failures, some right out of the box. But for the volume we have sold 
and serviced over the last 8 years, I still like them. Many of them are located 
on the shores of the Sea of Cortez which has a very high salinity.  303's and 
403's still come in for service and even though we can't get parts, I open them 
up. The problems vary; slip rings, brushes and bearings being the most common 
failures, control boards after that. For comparison, what other small turbine 
has the same performance/price point?  

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
(928) 342-9103




On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Chris Daum wrote:

"Historically the Air products have lasted fairly well and been moderate 
performers. "?  Really?  I seem to remember a lot of SWWP-bashing on this list 
not so long ago - and apparently deservedly so.  After 15 or so years of 
selling the 303s, 403s and Air X's, I pretty much gave up on the product line 
(including their Whispers) as being unable to last through its warranty period 
without mucho problems.  Are y'all telling me this has changed?
 
Chris Daum
Oasis Montana Inc.
406-777-4309
406-777-0830 fax


From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Larry 
Crutcher,Starlight Solar Power Systems
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:20 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

SWWP has changed their turbines again. They are now called the the Air 30, Air 
40 and Air Breeze. The 30 is like the old X land, the 40 is like the old Breeze 
Land and the Breeze is like the old Breeze Marine. The Breeze is the only 
marine model available. Confusing enough? The 40 and Breeze have a limited 
lifetime warranty and all have a new, higher price. 

Historically the Air products have lasted fairly well and been moderate 
performers. Air X and Air Breeze parts are still available but SWWP has 
discontinued support for all other models. We service, sell and recommend them 
for small PV/wind hybrid systems. AND...they are still USA made! Hurrah!

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
(928) 342-9103

On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Roy Butler wrote:

Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly dependable.
In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module but
seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the truth, making it
somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs worked
out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and performance 
issues.

What's the application for this?
Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747  www.four-winds-energy.com


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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Chris Daum]

"Historically the Air products have lasted fairly well and been moderate
performers. "?  Really?  I seem to remember a lot of SWWP-bashing on this
list not so long ago - and apparently deservedly so.  After 15 or so years
of selling the 303s, 403s and Air X's, I pretty much gave up on the product
line (including their Whispers) as being unable to last through its warranty
period without mucho problems.  Are y'all telling me this has changed?
 
Chris Daum
Oasis Montana Inc.
406-777-4309
406-777-0830 fax



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From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Crutcher,Starlight Solar Power Systems
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:20 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators


SWWP has changed their turbines again. They are now called the the Air 30,
Air 40 and Air Breeze. The 30 is like the old X land, the 40 is like the old
Breeze Land and the Breeze is like the old Breeze Marine. The Breeze is the
only marine model available. Confusing enough? The 40 and Breeze have a
limited lifetime warranty and all have a new, higher price. 

Historically the Air products have lasted fairly well and been moderate
performers. Air X and Air Breeze parts are still available but SWWP has
discontinued support for all other models. We service, sell and recommend
them for small PV/wind hybrid systems. AND...they are still USA made!
Hurrah!

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
(928) 342-9103

On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Roy Butler wrote:

Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly
dependable.
In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module but
seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the truth,
making it
somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs worked
out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and
performance issues.

What's the application for this?

Roy Butler

NABCEP Certified Small Wind InstallerR

NABCEP Certified Solar PV InstallerR

NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer

Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC

8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807

607-324-9747  www.four-winds-energy.com <http://www.four-winds-energy.com/> 


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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Dan Fink]

Also note that when you download the Sunforce FAQs
http://www.sunforceproducts.com/docs/Wind%20General%20FAQs.pdf

That the first part all all about the Skystream. Then it merges into
the Sunforce 400.

H.

Again, anyone from SWWP here on the list to shed light?

DAN FINK

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Kent Osterberg  wrote:
> It is interesting that when you download the manual for the Sunforce 400,
> you get a 2002 vintage SWWP Air-X manual.
>
> Kent Osterberg
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[Kent Osterberg]

It is interesting that when you download the manual for the Sunforce 
400, you get a 2002 vintage SWWP Air-X manual.


Kent Osterberg
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On 4/3/2012 5:24 PM, Dan Fink wrote:

Esteemed Wrenches;

I've been watching this thread closely, and I'm thinking something is
really fishy about the Sunforce turbinedistributed by Coleman
(camp stoves, sleeping bags, lanterns) and also distributed by Home
Depot, Lowes, Sears, Target, Radio Shack, Kmart, Fry's, West Marine,
Northern Tool I'm too busy right now to do any investigative
journalism. The "400" looks like a Southwest Wind Power product, but I
can't tell. The "600"  appears to be a Chinese turbine, like so many
we have seen before.
Fishy things:
~ Sunforce company website and docs do not show any UL or CE listing
for the included MPPT controller, nor any country of manufacture;
~ reviews on Amazon saying the Sunforce is really "Made in USA" by
"Southwest Wind Power." Shills?
~ Mutally-linking advertising / sales drive / link spam websites not
related to either Sunforce or SWWP that extoll the virtues of the
Sunforce, quoting each other, some even using the name "Sunforce
Whisper";

Is there an official rep from SWWP on this list? It would be
interesting to hear if the Sunforce turbines are really made by SWWP
in the USA. If not -- SWWPs legal department has some work cut out for
them.

I may have made a misjudgement here -- but I doubt it! Smells like
snake oil, and I bet all of the wind power professionals on this site
have a keen nose for rotten fish,

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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Roy Butler]

Dan,

You're right, I smell something and it's not a rose!

I was told that the Sunforce is a Chinese product.
There is nothing certified on or in that turbine and I would not
touch it with a 10' poleor even a 10 meter tower ;-)

I had not heard anything about a SWWP/ Sunforce relationship.

Interesting...thanks for the info.I'll start digging for more.

Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV&  wind installer
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8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
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On 4/3/2012 8:24 PM, Dan Fink wrote:

Esteemed Wrenches;

I've been watching this thread closely, and I'm thinking something is
really fishy about the Sunforce turbinedistributed by Coleman
(camp stoves, sleeping bags, lanterns) and also distributed by Home
Depot, Lowes, Sears, Target, Radio Shack, Kmart, Fry's, West Marine,
Northern Tool I'm too busy right now to do any investigative
journalism. The "400" looks like a Southwest Wind Power product, but I
can't tell. The "600"  appears to be a Chinese turbine, like so many
we have seen before.
Fishy things:
~ Sunforce company website and docs do not show any UL or CE listing
for the included MPPT controller, nor any country of manufacture;
~ reviews on Amazon saying the Sunforce is really "Made in USA" by
"Southwest Wind Power." Shills?
~ Mutally-linking advertising / sales drive / link spam websites not
related to either Sunforce or SWWP that extoll the virtues of the
Sunforce, quoting each other, some even using the name "Sunforce
Whisper";

Is there an official rep from SWWP on this list? It would be
interesting to hear if the Sunforce turbines are really made by SWWP
in the USA. If not -- SWWPs legal department has some work cut out for
them.

I may have made a misjudgement here -- but I doubt it! Smells like
snake oil, and I bet all of the wind power professionals on this site
have a keen nose for rotten fish,


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[allsolar]

Sunforce is junk IMHO and not made in Flagstaff by SWWp
Jeremy
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Sender: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.orgDate: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:24:51 
To: RE-wrenches
Reply-To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

Esteemed Wrenches;

I've been watching this thread closely, and I'm thinking something is
really fishy about the Sunforce turbinedistributed by Coleman
(camp stoves, sleeping bags, lanterns) and also distributed by Home
Depot, Lowes, Sears, Target, Radio Shack, Kmart, Fry's, West Marine,
Northern Tool I'm too busy right now to do any investigative
journalism. The "400" looks like a Southwest Wind Power product, but I
can't tell. The "600"  appears to be a Chinese turbine, like so many
we have seen before.
Fishy things:
~ Sunforce company website and docs do not show any UL or CE listing
for the included MPPT controller, nor any country of manufacture;
~ reviews on Amazon saying the Sunforce is really "Made in USA" by
"Southwest Wind Power." Shills?
~ Mutally-linking advertising / sales drive / link spam websites not
related to either Sunforce or SWWP that extoll the virtues of the
Sunforce, quoting each other, some even using the name "Sunforce
Whisper";

Is there an official rep from SWWP on this list? It would be
interesting to hear if the Sunforce turbines are really made by SWWP
in the USA. If not -- SWWPs legal department has some work cut out for
them.

I may have made a misjudgement here -- but I doubt it! Smells like
snake oil, and I bet all of the wind power professionals on this site
have a keen nose for rotten fish,
-- 
Dan Fink,
Executive Director;
Otherpower
Buckville Energy Consulting
Buckville Publications LLC
NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Drake
 wrote:
> Hello Wrenches,
>
> Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times past?
>
> I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W machine.  How do these small turbines
> hold up these days?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Dan Fink]

Esteemed Wrenches;

I've been watching this thread closely, and I'm thinking something is
really fishy about the Sunforce turbinedistributed by Coleman
(camp stoves, sleeping bags, lanterns) and also distributed by Home
Depot, Lowes, Sears, Target, Radio Shack, Kmart, Fry's, West Marine,
Northern Tool I'm too busy right now to do any investigative
journalism. The "400" looks like a Southwest Wind Power product, but I
can't tell. The "600"  appears to be a Chinese turbine, like so many
we have seen before.
Fishy things:
~ Sunforce company website and docs do not show any UL or CE listing
for the included MPPT controller, nor any country of manufacture;
~ reviews on Amazon saying the Sunforce is really "Made in USA" by
"Southwest Wind Power." Shills?
~ Mutally-linking advertising / sales drive / link spam websites not
related to either Sunforce or SWWP that extoll the virtues of the
Sunforce, quoting each other, some even using the name "Sunforce
Whisper";

Is there an official rep from SWWP on this list? It would be
interesting to hear if the Sunforce turbines are really made by SWWP
in the USA. If not -- SWWPs legal department has some work cut out for
them.

I may have made a misjudgement here -- but I doubt it! Smells like
snake oil, and I bet all of the wind power professionals on this site
have a keen nose for rotten fish,
-- 
Dan Fink,
Executive Director;
Otherpower
Buckville Energy Consulting
Buckville Publications LLC
NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers
970.672.4342 (voicemail)


On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Drake
 wrote:
> Hello Wrenches,
>
> Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times past?
>
> I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W machine.  How do these small turbines
> hold up these days?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Roy Butler]

Hi Dick,

Kestrel is going through certification at this time. This is good news, 
as this

will help them enter the US market with some established credibility.

It has the potential to be a good turbine. And with the Eveready battery 
company

behind them, they should have the capital needed to be a solid company.

Last I knew, they do not have a US distributor. Too bad because I want 
to test one here!


FYI- I had the opportunity to dismantle and reassemble one in a course I 
taught in 2010.

It's built like that proverbial outhouse.

Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV&  wind installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747  www.four-winds-energy.com

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On 4/3/2012 3:36 PM, Richard L Ratico wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with Kestrel Wind Turbines?

Dick Ratico
Solarwind Electric


--- You wrote:
SWWP has changed their turbines again. They are now called the the Air 30, Air
40 and Air Breeze. The 30 is like the old X land, the 40 is like the old Breeze
Land and the Breeze is like the old Breeze Marine. The Breeze is the only marine
model available. Confusing enough? The 40 and Breeze have a limited lifetime
warranty and all have a new, higher price.

Historically the Air products have lasted fairly well and been moderate
performers. Air X and Air Breeze parts are still available but SWWP has
discontinued support for all other models. We service, sell and recommend them
for small PV/wind hybrid systems. AND...they are still USA made! Hurrah!

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
(928) 342-9103

On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Roy Butler wrote:

Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly dependable.
In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module but
seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the truth, making it
somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs worked
out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and performance
issues.

What's the application for this?
Roy Butler
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[William Dorsett]

>From a windy Kansas perspective, I have watched for decades turbines go up
and then after a couple years come down. I think it goes along with the fact
that climbing a tower or lowering it is nervous making enough that after a
few years, even if the owners understand electronics, they tend to neglect
the systems to death. Big wind can have a dedicated and trained staff that
small wind can't afford.  That's why I prefer solar.

 

Bill Dorsett

Sunwrights

Manhattan, KS

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:45 AM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

 

Hello Wrenches,

Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times past?

I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W machine.  How do these small turbines
hold up these days?

Thanks,

Drake 




Drake Chamberlin 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Richard L Ratico]

Does anyone have any experience with Kestrel Wind Turbines?

Dick Ratico
Solarwind Electric


--- You wrote:
SWWP has changed their turbines again. They are now called the the Air 30, Air
40 and Air Breeze. The 30 is like the old X land, the 40 is like the old Breeze
Land and the Breeze is like the old Breeze Marine. The Breeze is the only marine
model available. Confusing enough? The 40 and Breeze have a limited lifetime
warranty and all have a new, higher price. 

Historically the Air products have lasted fairly well and been moderate
performers. Air X and Air Breeze parts are still available but SWWP has
discontinued support for all other models. We service, sell and recommend them
for small PV/wind hybrid systems. AND...they are still USA made! Hurrah!

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
(928) 342-9103

On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Roy Butler wrote:

Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly dependable.
In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module but
seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the truth, making it
somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs worked
out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and performance
issues.

What's the application for this?
Roy Butler
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems]

SWWP has changed their turbines again. They are now called the the Air 30, Air 
40 and Air Breeze. The 30 is like the old X land, the 40 is like the old Breeze 
Land and the Breeze is like the old Breeze Marine. The Breeze is the only 
marine model available. Confusing enough? The 40 and Breeze have a limited 
lifetime warranty and all have a new, higher price. 

Historically the Air products have lasted fairly well and been moderate 
performers. Air X and Air Breeze parts are still available but SWWP has 
discontinued support for all other models. We service, sell and recommend them 
for small PV/wind hybrid systems. AND...they are still USA made! Hurrah!

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
(928) 342-9103

On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Roy Butler wrote:

Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly dependable.
In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module but
seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the truth, making it
somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs worked
out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and performance 
issues.

What's the application for this?
Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747  www.four-winds-energy.com

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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[wirewiz]

I am a dealer for Ampair wind turbines. The 100 watt is low output, about 50 to 
75 ah/day but extremely quiet and durable (survives hurricanes). I have been 
competing in the marine market with the now AirBreeze for 15 years. Or take a 
look at the 600 for more output. All Ampair's are marine grade. Contact me off 
line for a price if your interested. 
Larry 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[robert ellison]

The turbine spinning has no relationship to actual power into the battery bank.
If you can't get it into the air a ways don't bother at all, just add
more solar or a larger battery bank.
They might spin at 15' but they accomplish absolutely nothing.

Bob Ellison


On 4/3/12, Drake  wrote:
> Hi Roy,
>
> It would be for a cloudy weather backup for an
> off grid system.  From what you are saying, it
> doesn't sound like it will produce much.  There
> is one on a highway weather station near here,
> and it spins a lot, and is only ~ 15' above the ground.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
>
>
> At 10:04 AM 4/3/2012, you wrote:
>>Hi Drake,
>>
>>The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's
>>name is now, is fairly dependable.
>>In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module
>> but
>>seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.
>>
>>It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.
>>
>>But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor
>>diameter tells the truth, making it
>>somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs
>> worked
>>out but when they first came out, there were
>>many reliability and performance issues.
>>
>>What's the application for this?
>>
>>Roy Butler
>>NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
>>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
>>NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
>>Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
>>8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
>>607-324-9747  www.four-winds-energy.com
>>
>>Join us at the 8th Annual Small Wind Conference
>>A Gathering of Installers, Manufacturers, Dealers, & Distributors
>>June 12 and 13, 2012 in Stevens Point, Wisconsin
>>www.smallwindconference.com
>>
>>Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message,
>>a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 4/3/2012 9:44 AM, Drake wrote:
>>>Hello Wrenches,
>>>
>>>Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times past?
>>>
>>>I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W
>>>machine.  How do these small turbines hold up these days?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Drake
>>>
>>>Drake Chamberlin
>>>ATHENS ELECTRIC LLC
>>>OH License 44810
>>>CO license 3773
>>>NABCEP Certified PV
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Chris Daum]

Hi Folks:
 
A really great little wind genny is a 12V or 24V Chinook, manufactured to
withstand Montana's harsh winter conditions.  Check 'em out at
http://www.chinookturbines.com/Home.html
 
Best,
Chris Daum
Oasis Montana Inc.
406-777-4309
406-777-0830 fax
www.oasismontana.com 
  


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[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Drake
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:17 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators


Hi Roy,

It would be for a cloudy weather backup for an off grid system.  From what
you are saying, it doesn't sound like it will produce much.  There is one on
a highway weather station near here, and it spins a lot, and is only ~ 15'
above the ground. 

Thanks,

Drake 


At 10:04 AM 4/3/2012, you wrote:


Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly
dependable.
In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module but
seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the truth,
making it
somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs worked
out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and
performance issues.

What's the application for this?


Roy Butler

NABCEP Certified Small Wind InstallerR

NABCEP Certified Solar PV InstallerR

NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer

Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC

8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807

607-324-9747 

www.four-winds-energy.com



Join us at the 8th Annual Small Wind Conference

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On 4/3/2012 9:44 AM, Drake wrote: 


Hello Wrenches,

Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times past?

I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W machine.  How do these small turbines
hold up these days?

Thanks,

Drake 

Drake Chamberlin 
ATHENS ELECTRIC LLC
OH License 44810
CO license 3773
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Christopher Warfel]

We have used the Marine X version for three years without problems.

On 4/3/2012 10:17 AM, Drake wrote:

Hi Roy,

It would be for a cloudy weather backup for an off grid system.  From 
what you are saying, it doesn't sound like it will produce much.  
There is one on a highway weather station near here, and it spins a 
lot, and is only ~ 15' above the ground.


Thanks,

Drake


At 10:04 AM 4/3/2012, you wrote:

Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly 
dependable.
In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar 
module but

seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the 
truth, making it
somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs 
worked
out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and 
performance issues.


What's the application for this?

Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV&  wind installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747
www.four-winds-energy.com  

Join us at the 8th Annual Small Wind Conference
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June 12 and 13, 2012 in Stevens Point, Wisconsin

www.smallwindconference.com  

Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message,
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


 


On 4/3/2012 9:44 AM, Drake wrote:

Hello Wrenches,

Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times past?

I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W machine.  How do these small 
turbines hold up these days?


Thanks,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
ATHENS ELECTRIC LLC
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CO license 3773
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[All Solar, Inc.]

Air products are reliable. Look at the Air Breeze. It will out perform the 400w 
AirX
Sunforce 600- No way!

Jeremy

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  Subject: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators


  Hello Wrenches,

  Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times past?

  I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W machine.  How do these small turbines 
hold up these days?

  Thanks,

  Drake 


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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Drake]

Hi Roy,

It would be for a cloudy weather backup for an 
off grid system.  From what you are saying, it 
doesn't sound like it will produce much.  There 
is one on a highway weather station near here, 
and it spins a lot, and is only ~ 15' above the ground.


Thanks,

Drake


At 10:04 AM 4/3/2012, you wrote:

Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's 
name is now, is fairly dependable.

In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar module but
seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor 
diameter tells the truth, making it

somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the bugs worked
out but when they first came out, there were 
many reliability and performance issues.


What's the application for this?

Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747  www.four-winds-energy.com

Join us at the 8th Annual Small Wind Conference
A Gathering of Installers, Manufacturers, Dealers, & Distributors
June 12 and 13, 2012 in Stevens Point, Wisconsin
www.smallwindconference.com

Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message,
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



On 4/3/2012 9:44 AM, Drake wrote:

Hello Wrenches,

Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times past?

I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W 
machine.  How do these small turbines hold up these days?


Thanks,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
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Re: [RE-wrenches] small wind generators

[Roy Butler]

  
  
Hi Drake,

The Air 403/ Air-X/ Air Breeze/ whatever it's name is now, is fairly
dependable.
In most wind regimes it's the equivalent of a 10 or 20 watt solar
module but
seems to work just fine. FYI- it's ~ 200 watts or so.

It's not the quietest thing though, being a fairly high rpm turbine.

But the Sunforce 600 is not a 600. The rotor diameter tells the
truth, making it
somewhere around a 200 - 250 watt machine. Perhaps they have the
bugs worked
out but when they first came out, there were many reliability and
performance issues.

What's the application for this?
Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
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On 4/3/2012 9:44 AM, Drake wrote:

  Hello Wrenches,
  
  Are the new Air 403 wind machines more reliable than in times
  past?
  
  I'm also looking at a Sunforce 600 W machine.  How do these small
  turbines hold up these days?
  
  Thanks,
  
  Drake 
  
  

  Drake
Chamberlin

ATHENS ELECTRIC LLC
OH License
44810
CO license 3773
NABCEP Certified PV
  
  



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