[REBOL] Re: uppercase

2002-05-27 Thread Carl Read

On 28-May-02, Charles wrote:

>   That is rather odd. The function, I do not feel, should actually
> perform an operation on the argument being passed. At least, not in
> general. Same happens with 'lowercase'.
>   Well, it answers the question I recall seeing about capitalizing:
>>> uppercase/part x 1
> ;)

It's rather subjective, I think, and perhaps based on us not being
used to "uppercase" as a verb. 'clear, 'replace 'trim and other words
work on the argument, so why not 'uppercase?  It's also more useful I
think, as instead of this...

x: uppercase x

we can use...

uppercase x

>> Hi rebols,

 x: "hello"
>> == "hello"
 y: uppercase x
>> == "HELLO"
 x
>> == "HELLO"  < Why is x now uppercase?

>> This is really unexpected behavior!  Is this a bug?

I'm pretty sure it isn't.  But to get around your above problem, just
use 'copy.  ie...

>> x: "hello"
== "hello"
>> y: uppercase copy x
== "HELLO"
>> x
== "hello"
>> y
== "HELLO"

>> Is it like this in the new version of rebol (I haven't upgraded
>> yet)?

>> Louis

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[REBOL] Re: uppercase

2002-05-27 Thread Anton

No, I don't think it is a bug.
It is just like replace.
Just work on a copy of x:

y: uppercase copy x

And this is the same in the latest view beta I'm running.

Anton.

>  >> x: "hello"
> == "hello"
>  >> y: uppercase x
> == "HELLO"
>  >> x
> == "HELLO"  < Why is x now uppercase?
> 
> This is really unexpected behavior!  Is this a bug?
> 
> Is it like this in the new version of rebol (I haven't upgraded yet)?
> 
> Louis

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[REBOL] Re: uppercase

2002-05-27 Thread Brett Handley

Hi,

>  >> x: "hello"
> == "hello"
>  >> y: uppercase x
> == "HELLO"
>  >> x
> == "HELLO"  < Why is x now uppercase?
> 
> This is really unexpected behavior!  Is this a bug?

No it is not a bug. It is actually a nice flexible design.

There are two things at work here.

(1)--
 Look at these two lines of code:

a-symbol-for-the-string: "The String"
also-a-symbol-for-the-same-string: a-symbol-for-the-string

The word A-SYMBOL-FOR-THE-STRING is set to the string (reference to the
string). 

The word ALSO-A-SYMBOL-FOR-THE-SAME-STRING is set to the value (after
evaluation) of the word A-SYMBOL-FOR-THE-STRING. Since this value is a
string (reference to the string), both word refer/set/point to the
exact same string. 


BTW, The same behaviour occurs if instead of a STRING! you used a BLOCK!
- it happens for all series types.

(2)---

UPPERCASE, LOWERCASE, SORT, REVERSE modify the string that they are
given. It is *not* that they take a string, process it and return the
processed results. Instead, they take a string, modify that string, and
return a reference to that *same* string so that possibly another
function can use it as an argument. 

For example:

>> x: "hello"
== "hello"
>> uppercase x
== "HELLO"
>> x
== "HELLO"

>> x: "hello"
== "hello"
>> sort uppercase x
== "EHLLO"
>> x
== "EHLLO"

The reference to the string that is returned in some cases is also
modified from the original. It is a reference to the same string but it
points to a different character in that string. In the case of  REVERSE
for example, the index position points to the character after the
characters that were reversed: 

>> x: "hello"
== "hello"
>> y: reverse/part x 3
== "lo"
>> x
== "lehlo"
>> same? x head y
== true


Now I said it was a flexible design. The reason is this. Imagine that
you have a huge string. 

x: {An absolutely huge string...}

For UPPERCASE to do what you expected it would have to copy the string
it was given. So that just doing... 

uppercase x

...would mean that you would have two huge strings in memory. Do you
have enough memory in your computer to complete the task? The designer
of these functions decided he could not answer this question so instead
leaves the choice to you. If you decide that you must not touch the
original string then you should make your own copy of it. Like this 

>> x: "hello"
== "hello"
>> y: uppercase copy x
== "HELLO"
>> x
== "hello"
>> y
== "HELLO"

I hope that clears it up a bit.
Brett.


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From: "Dr. Louis A. Turk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [REBOL] uppercase


> Hi rebols,
> 
>  >> x: "hello"
> == "hello"
>  >> y: uppercase x
> == "HELLO"
>  >> x
> == "HELLO"  < Why is x now uppercase?
> 
> This is really unexpected behavior!  Is this a bug?
> 
> Is it like this in the new version of rebol (I haven't upgraded yet)?
> 
> Louis
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[REBOL] Re: xwt and rebol ?

2002-05-27 Thread Alan Crandall

Hello laplace

On 25-May-02, laplace wrote:
> The rebol plugin doesn't work any more in IE6 so what about combining
> rebol and xwt:
> http://www.xwt.org/tutorial.html
> 
Just got this from the author:
To: Alan Crandall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Demo page
From: Adam Megacz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Home-Page: http://www.megacz.com/adam

Alan Crandall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Could I send your email address to the Rebol ml so if somebody is
> interested in working with you on a cross app program?

Sure.
Link to Rebol:
http://www.xwt.org/faq.html#similar

In a previous email I said that the demo page was not working but with the
log file I sent to Adam,it working now.Any takers?

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[REBOL] Re: uppercase

2002-05-27 Thread Charles

   That is rather odd.  The function, I do not feel, should actually perform an
operation on the argument being passed.  At least, not in general.  Same
happens with 'lowercase'.
   Well, it answers the question I recall seeing about capitalizing:
>> uppercase/part x 1
 ;)

> Hi rebols,
>
>  >> x: "hello"
> == "hello"
>  >> y: uppercase x
> == "HELLO"
>  >> x
> == "HELLO"  < Why is x now uppercase?
>
> This is really unexpected behavior!  Is this a bug?
>
> Is it like this in the new version of rebol (I haven't upgraded yet)?
>
> Louis
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[REBOL] Re: Enigma about Ladislav sameness

2002-05-27 Thread Anton

Is this an unsolved problem or do you know the answer
and you are challenging us to also find out ?

Anton.

> Hi,
> 
> I have an enigma about Ladislav's mut-equal1? (from
> http://www.rebolforces.com/~ladislav/evaluation.html)
> 
> b ;== "1"
> string? b ;== true
> identical? a b ;== false
> same? a b ;== false
> equal-state? a b ;== false
> strict-equal? a b ;== false
> equal? a b ;== false
> 
> and:
> 
> mut-equal? a b ;== false
> 
> But:
> 
> mut-equal1? a b ;== true
> 
> What is 'a?
> 
> ---
> Ciao
> Romano

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[REBOL] Upgrade now or wait?

2002-05-27 Thread Dr. Louis A. Turk

Hi rebols,

Is the new version of rebol-view going to make my scripts not work?

What problems should I expect?

Should I upgrade now, or wait?

Louis

PS  I have to add that rebol is great, and the people on this list are 
absolutely super.


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[REBOL] Off line

2002-05-27 Thread Dr. Louis A. Turk

Hi rebols,

Last week our Cox cable line was severed, and we were off line for several 
days and my mailbox overflowed and some email therefore was bounced.  If 
you suspect your message to me bounced, please resend it.

Thanks,
Louis

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[REBOL] uppercase

2002-05-27 Thread Dr. Louis A. Turk

Hi rebols,

 >> x: "hello"
== "hello"
 >> y: uppercase x
== "HELLO"
 >> x
== "HELLO"  < Why is x now uppercase?

This is really unexpected behavior!  Is this a bug?

Is it like this in the new version of rebol (I haven't upgraded yet)?

Louis

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds

2002-05-27 Thread Brett Handley

Hi,

> One question: Can Rebol handle UDP packets? On those examples people are
> allvays using TCP but we use UDP on our protocols to embedded systems.

Yes, but I haven't used it. I have on occassion seen scripts floating around
that use it.
Maybe someone else will point you to some examples.

Brett.

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[REBOL] Re: Submitted, for your approval.

2002-05-27 Thread Ed Dana

Ammon Johnson wrote:

> Hmm...  Some things that i found:
> 
> Does this confuse anyone else?
> 
> What is your guess? *@#%&
> Matched: 2 Placed: 3
> 
> What is your guess? &@#%*
> Matched: 2 Placed: 3
> 


Hmmm...

Without knowing the details of what the computer had chosen, it's hard 
to say, but this is a possible scenario. It is possible to move symbols 
around and still get the same results. Remember, it is only reporting on 
the symbols that match and place, but it is not telling you which have 
matched and placed. So it's possible when you switch them around that 
symbols go from placed to matched and back again and still total the same.


> I also noticed this:
> 
> What is your guess? ^@#&*
> Not all the choices you've made are valid.
> Please make your choices from the following Symbols: ~ ! @ # $ % & *
> 


This is because the ^ is not legal. I tried using it in REBOL and it 
gave me the following grief:

** Syntax Error: Invalid string -- " ]
** Near: (line 54) Symbol_Set: [ "~" "!" "@" "#" "$" "%" "^" "&" ]


It doesn't like the ^ symbol, for whatever reason...


> now watch what happens here:
> 
> What is your guess? @#&*^
> Matched: 4 Placed: 1
> 


What??? Bugs in my code! No way!

OK, OK, I guess I gotta fix it!

That one is definitely a bug in my code.


> You might also consider asking the user if he/she would like instructions at 
> the first of the game, I was rather confused to start with so I read the 
> source code.  It would be much more intuitive to have it inform you of too 
> many or too few symbols.
> 


Well, since this was more an attempt to learn REBOL than it was to 
create a serious game, I just wasn't focused on complete instructions, 
that's why I used the document feature rather than making it accessible 
while running.

As to the "too many or too few" issue. It does tell the user that.  This 
appears to be a bug in REBOL. As it turns out, since I wrote my 
sub-routines as refinements, if I call the refinement with it's proper 
prefix (i.e. Symbols/Indicate_only_5), the script runs as expected. If, 
OTOH, I forget to prefix it, which was my mistake (i.e. 
Indicate_only_5), the script runs, but the refinement does not execute.

Curious...

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[REBOL] Re: funny...

2002-05-27 Thread Jason Cunliffe

> I look at IOS Reblet Applications on RebolTech site and...
> 400 KB for a page???
>
> "faster with less bandwidth"...

I guess you mean http://rebol.com/reblets.html

That's because there are 15 images weighing in at 377Kb
I suspect they were made from REBOL directly.
Thus legible but not optimized for size.

{yet another reason why rebol needs CALL/SHELL bundled - for access to
ImageMagick on servers}

Out of curiosity I ran them through Fireworks 4 batch process..

GIF [Web216]  >>> 306Kb
JPEG [smaller] >>> 172Kb

One could do better in terms of size/quality with some playing around.
The JPEGS are fuzzier. Photos are easy to shrink [3-7Kb], but it's a tricky
tradeoff getting text to read well small sometimes.

I think it would be better if the page was  wider format and just had a big
juicy dense array of _smaller_ reblet images with minimal Title/captions.
Then have clickthroughs on each to give full description and larger screen shots
to focus on, preferably with some sort of rollovers to help explain. Plus
PREV/NEXT buttons or some such to let one take the tour through the reblet apps.

..so much for backseat web design..

./Jason

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds

2002-05-27 Thread Joanna Kurki


Hi

Sorry for late reply but I did not see this announcement earlier. I have 
been reading this list very rarely in last couple months since I 
encountered difficulties with previous licensing method.

Now things have been changed,  and I need to start looking Rebol again, as 
I still have this need for making tools that are portable and have some Gui 
and networking connectivity

One question: Can Rebol handle UDP packets? On those examples people are 
allvays using TCP but we use UDP on our protocols to embedded systems.


Joanna

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[REBOL] Re: Limiting Precision of Decimals,

2002-05-27 Thread Dr. Louis A. Turk

Gregg, Chris, Gabriele, and Romano,

Thanks for all the help.  I'm still studying your code.  I get back with 
you ASAP (I still have a lot to learn).

Louis

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[REBOL] funny...

2002-05-27 Thread Terminal

I look at IOS Reblet Applications on RebolTech site and...
400 KB for a page???

"faster with less bandwidth"...

Alekk

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[REBOL] Re: list! bug

2002-05-27 Thread Ingo Hohmann

Thanks Gabriele,

I stand corrected ... out to find that thinking brain dog now ;-)


Ingo



Gabriele Santilli wrote:
> Hi Ingo,
> 
> On Monday, May 27, 2002, 4:51:06 PM, you wrote:
> 
> IH> converts the value into the other datatype, but in the special case of
> 
> IH>to-"any-series-datatype" an-integer
> 
> IH> A new series is created, with an initial size of an-integer.
> 
> Nope, that's for MAKE, not for TO. What Romano showed looks like a
> bug to me.
> 
> Regards,
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[REBOL] Re: Submitted, for your approval.

2002-05-27 Thread Ammon Johnson

Hmm...  Some things that i found:

Does this confuse anyone else?

What is your guess? *@#%&
Matched: 2 Placed: 3

What is your guess? &@#%*
Matched: 2 Placed: 3


I also noticed this:

What is your guess? ^@#&*
Not all the choices you've made are valid.
Please make your choices from the following Symbols: ~ ! @ # $ % & *

now watch what happens here:

What is your guess? @#&*^
Matched: 4 Placed: 1

You might also consider asking the user if he/she would like instructions at 
the first of the game, I was rather confused to start with so I read the 
source code.  It would be much more intuitive to have it inform you of too 
many or too few symbols.

HTH
Ammon

A short time ago, Ed Dana, sent an email stating:
> Greetings all,
>
> Attached is a small game I created in my continuing effort to understand
> REBOL. It is another guessing game, slightly more sophisticated than the
> one I submitted previously.
>
> Please look it over and feel free to criticize, but do be gentle, as
> this is my second attempt at a REBOL program. ;)
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[REBOL] Enigma about Ladislav sameness

2002-05-27 Thread Romano Paolo Tenca

Hi,

I have an enigma about Ladislav's mut-equal1? (from
http://www.rebolforces.com/~ladislav/evaluation.html)

b ;== "1"
string? b ;== true
identical? a b ;== false
same? a b ;== false
equal-state? a b ;== false
strict-equal? a b ;== false
equal? a b ;== false

and:

mut-equal? a b ;== false

But:

mut-equal1? a b ;== true

What is 'a?

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[REBOL] Re: Submitted, for your approval.

2002-05-27 Thread Ed Dana

Ed Dana wrote:

> 
> As I said, this is a learning excursive for me. Sometimes the best way 

 ^

> to learn is to make all the mistakes you can up front. Saves time by not 
> making them later. :)


DOH! Stupid spell-checker! Make that exercise, not excursive!

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[REBOL] Re: list! bug

2002-05-27 Thread Gabriele Santilli

Hi Ingo,

On Monday, May 27, 2002, 4:51:06 PM, you wrote:

IH> converts the value into the other datatype, but in the special case of

IH>to-"any-series-datatype" an-integer

IH> A new series is created, with an initial size of an-integer.

Nope, that's for MAKE, not for TO. What Romano showed looks like a
bug to me.

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[REBOL] Re: list! bug

2002-05-27 Thread Gregg Irwin

Hi Ingo,

<<...in the special case of

   to-"any-series-datatype" an-integer

A new series is created, with an initial size of an-integer. >>

Then why do to-block and to-hash work correctly?

>> to-hash 1
== make hash! [1]
>> to-block 1
== [1]
>> to-list 1
== make list! []

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[REBOL] Re: help on Tooltips?

2002-05-27 Thread Gregg Irwin

Hi Ingo,

I also haven't tried your code, but I did submit feedback on DROP-DOWN.

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[REBOL] Re: list! bug

2002-05-27 Thread Ingo Hohmann

Hi Romano,

Romano Paolo Tenca wrote:
> Is this a bug?
>
>>>to-list 1
>>
> == make list! []

No, it's no bug, just not too intuitive.
For most datatypes

   to-"datatype" value

converts the value into the other datatype, but in the special case of

   to-"any-series-datatype" an-integer

A new series is created, with an initial size of an-integer.


Kind regards,

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[REBOL] Re: bug: not able to convert integer variable with to-binary

2002-05-27 Thread Carl Read

On 28-May-02, tmo wrote:

> hi.

> to-binary [255] works...=> #{FF}

> but when i use a integer variable, for example this:

> mavar: 255
> to-binary [mavar] or to-binary [:mavar] 
> => it doesnt work !!!

> So how can convert my integer variable into binary ?

Your problem is that the 'mavar in the block is a word, not an
integer...

>> mavar: 255  
== 255
>> type? first [mavar] 
== word!

The solution is to reduce the word...

>> type? first reduce [mavar]
== integer!

So...

>> to-binary reduce [mavar]
== #{FF}

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[REBOL] list! bug

2002-05-27 Thread Romano Paolo Tenca

Is this a bug?

>> to-list 1
== make list! []

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[REBOL] Re: help on Tooltips?

2002-05-27 Thread Brett Handley

Hi Ingo,

> Hi All,
> After moving around a while I get no more events (at least, 'over isn't 
> called any more), any ideas on how to make it behave better?

I haven't had a chance to try out your code. I can only think of two
things off the top of my head right now.
(1) Your events might be being eaten my the newly created tooltip face?
(2) Are you using drop-down in your test layout?

> Btw2, the function 'show-dropdown in
> 
>probe get-style 'drop-down
> 
> might be of some help, if only I understood what it's doing, has anyone 
> tried a drop-down in /view 1.2.5? It seems not to work properly in a 
> test of mine (drop-down field is never closed), and as I just noticed, 
> it's not present in /view 1.2.1.

I'd overlooked DROP-DOWN until you just pointed it out. Yes it looks
buggy. I had a look at that show-dropdown function too. Again I
haven't had time to check it through but I'm suspicious of the WAIT
and the DO-EVENTS (wait again). Doesn't feel right ;^)

Regards,
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[REBOL] Re: bug: not able to convert integer variable with to-binary

2002-05-27 Thread Romano Paolo Tenca

Hi, tmo

a: 255
to binary! to block! a
to binary! to paren! a
to binary! reduce [a]
to binary! compose [(a)]
to binary! to path! a

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[REBOL] Re: /View (beta and before) bugs

2002-05-27 Thread Ingo Hohmann

Hi Christian,

Christian Langreiter wrote:
<...>
> is _still_ buggy with current /View beta (I better don't mention when
> this bug has first appeared on the list and presumably been sent to
> feedback ;-)
<...>
> PLEASE FIX, those are very important.

Just in case, have you resubmitted it to feedback?


Kind regards,

Ingo

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[REBOL] Re: Submitted, for your approval.

2002-05-27 Thread Ingo Hohmann

Hi Ed,

maybe it would be better (at least better looking) if you turned your 
function/refinements design into an object/funcs design, wouldn't take 
much I guess.

And you can give 'print a block, like this:

print [ "Matched: " Matched " Placed: " Placed newline]

'newline adds, you'll guess it, a newline (you could use "^/", too).

 From the usability view-point:
- You should display a list of the symbols on startup.
- and an error on less than 5 symbols
- help on wrong symbols


Kind regards,

Ingo



Ed Dana wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
> Attached is a small game I created in my continuing effort to understand 
> REBOL. It is another guessing game, slightly more sophisticated than the 
> one I submitted previously.
> 
> Please look it over and feel free to criticize, but do be gentle, as 
> this is my second attempt at a REBOL program. ;)
> 



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[REBOL] bug: not able to convert integer variable with to-binary

2002-05-27 Thread tmo

hi.

to-binary [255] works...=> #{FF}

but when i use a integer variable, for example this:

mavar: 255
to-binary [mavar] or to-binary [:mavar] 
=> it doesnt work !!!

So how can convert my integer variable into binary ?

thanks for your help 

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[REBOL] help on Tooltips?

2002-05-27 Thread Ingo Hohmann

Hi All,

now I'm trying to show additional info on entries in my layout, I have a 
feel object with the following (experimenal) 'over func:

over: func [f a e /local new-entry][
   prin "over " 
   either a [
 print "+"
 xx: make face [
   offset: e
 ]
 xx/pane: layout [ title f/user-data/header ]
 show-popup/window xx month-lay ; month-lay is my top-level layout
   ] [   

 print "-"
 hide xx
   ]
]

After moving around a while I get no more events (at least, 'over isn't 
called any more), any ideas on how to make it behave better?

Btw, I tried to use 'hide-popup, but that closed the whole window.

Btw2, the function 'show-dropdown in

   probe get-style 'drop-down

might be of some help, if only I understood what it's doing, has anyone 
tried a drop-down in /view 1.2.5? It seems not to work properly in a 
test of mine (drop-down field is never closed), and as I just noticed, 
it's not present in /view 1.2.1.


Kind regards,

Ingo

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[REBOL] Re: Submitted, for your approval.

2002-05-27 Thread Anton

Well, instead of this:

> Prin "Matched: "
> Prin Matched
> Prin " Placed: "
> Print Placed
> Print " "

you could write

print ["Matched:" Matched "Placed:" Placed]

I also suggest following Rebol Tech's style-guide.

Anton.
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[REBOL] Re: Submitted, for your approval.

2002-05-27 Thread Carl Read

On 27-May-02, Ed Dana wrote:

> Greetings all,

> Attached is a small game I created in my continuing effort to
> understand REBOL. It is another guessing game, slightly more
> sophisticated than the one I submitted previously.

> Please look it over and feel free to criticize, but do be gentle, as
> this is my second attempt at a REBOL program. ;)

Hi Ed,

It works fine, though I was a bit confused by the Matched and Placed
numbering to begin with, not realizing that once something was placed
it was no longer recorded as matched.  "Misplaced" might've been a
better term. (;

As to your code:  Well you've got me wondering whether having a
function call it's own refinements like that instead of having
seperate functions for those routines is a good or bad thing...  I
think it probably is bad, (mainly due to a performance issue with the
amount of code you have to get through to get to the last "if
whatever..."), but as you've found out, it does work.  Note however
that it only works because the words you create in the function are
global, not local.  If you'd tried to make Symbol_Set local by
having...

/local Symbol_Set

in the function's first block you'd get an error when calling the
function with any refinement other than /begin.  With REBOL
functions, words defined in the body of the function are made global
by default, not local.  This is because "it's better for beginners"
apparently. (:

An alternative approach to using refinements would've been to have
them as functions within your function.  ie, just change...

  If Begin [
Symbol_Set: [ "~" "!" "@" "#" "$" "%" "&" "*" ]
Random/seed Now
  ]

to...

  Begin: does [
Symbol_Set: [ "~" "!" "@" "#" "$" "%" "&" "*" ]
Random/seed Now
  ]

and you can then call that with just "Begin" instead of
"Symbols/Begin".  ('does is for functions without any arguments.)

Otherwise though, you're learning fast!  It's good and tidy code on
the whole.

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