OSCAR seemingly creates acronyms recursively.
I don't feel polarized by it. Positively or negatively.
chaz
"Always take your work seriously, but never take yourself seriously."
At 06:43 AM 2/23/01 EST, you wrote:
>Mistakes I Have Made!
>
>Everybody,
>
>Regards recent antagonisms on this list regarding some posts
>I made, having had a few days to calmly reflect I would like to
>apologize to the my felleow REBOL friends here on this list
>and the RT folks, Jeff in particular.
>
>OSCAR: Opposing Sentiments Create Antagonised REBOL's
>
>I made a few mistakes, I don't think I was being a pushy "religious"
>person and I don't apologise for the views I expressed, but I apologize
>here to Jeff, Holger & Cecil for becoming embroiled in a mini flame war.
>I don't want such things in REBOL, quite the opposite in fact, that is why
>I made my previous apology about religious flame wars. I'm sure like
>everyone else you've looked aghast or laughed at the sillyness of such
>things in the past, and how counter-productive they are, yet someone
>condemns your views or criticises your integrity and down comes the
>red-mist!
>
>It's the first time I've personally ever been involved in such an incident
>but I will try to learn from it, and count to ten next time.
>
>I also want to apologise for the "Pravda" comment, looking back I can
>easily see how that might be taken out of context. I was not trying to
>portray REBOL Technologies as an "EVIL EMPIRE" and myself as
>Luke Skywalker. That is just silly! Everyone knows that Microsoft is the
>Evil Empire (Or is it now AOL?).
>Rather the comment about Pravda was trying to question whether divergent
>or dissident views are acceptable on this list or should we keep quiet
>if we don't agree with the official RT view on a subject.
>
>Sure I believe that in some ways RT policy and strategies, hinder rather
>than help REBOL make the progress I believe it is capable of.
>Now if you want to get religious and medieval then I suppose that view
>on this list might be considered "Heresy".
>
>The question is what to do with Heretics? Burn them? Exile them?
>Castigate them and mock them?
>
>And that is another mistake I made.
>
>The last thing I wanted to do was Polarize people or my opinions.
>Iam not a open source free software zealot. At work and at home
>I use Windoze & AOL, because it is convenient for me.
>I have used Linux & thought it was cool and a good operating system
>but it is too "Unix" for my liking. I really like the new MAC OS-X look
>and feel but stuck with an Intel X86 architecture because it gives me
>more choice.
>
>Anyway I'm rambling, so let me get back to what I was trying to say.
>
>Yes I do prefer open source software because that gives me greater
>freedoms to use and learn from it what I can. It also means that a
>technology is not totally reliant on a company. I'm sure the Amigans
>on this list, at least, will appreciate the significance of that.
>
>But, and this is very important, I believe in symbiosis, co-operation,
>co-existence and tolerance. I do not support the schism between
>free software and commercial software. There are things that free
>software and collaberative projects do well and things they do badly.
>There are also things that commercial developers and companies
>do well and also do not do so well or focus less upon, for many reasons,
>financial & competitive factors included.
>
>They do not and should not preclude each other, that is a dangerous
>idea. That Iam right and you are wrong, and vice versa.
>
>I want REBOL to be an inclusive tribe with a strong community,
>we do have a great community, and it can be even better, so again
>I apologize if I've alienated anyone or felt like I've polarized anyone.
>
>One of the reasons behind the OSCAR project and a lot of the points
>that I made in my posts was that I would like to further strengthen
>the REBOL sense of community, by providing a forum where the
>community can collaberate and work to providing our own solutions
>to areas that for whatever reason. RT can't or haven't addressed.
>As I said yesterday, the PERL community have pushed that language
>in all sorts of directions that Larry Wall and the core team could never
>have imagined at the start.
>
>RT are a business, they have to be financially viable to continue to exist.
>I really do want them to succeed and prosper. They rightfully are focusing
>their REBOL efforts at the enteprise markets where the most money
>is to be made.
>
>A strong REBOL Technologies Inc. is very important. It gives REBOL
>credibility in the Fortune 500 and Enterprise arena, which believe me
>is very important to the success of any technology.
>They provide a clear and obvious focal point for development and support
>of REBOL something that languages like PERL and Python in many
>ways suffer from.
>
>However we the REBOL community have a part to play to, we can provide
>our own solutions, many of you already are. REBOL.org was the natural
>focus for such activities but for whatever reason that seems to be stuck
>in limbo land just now, hopefully Maarten Koopmans new EREBOL site
>can become the focal point for the REBOL community. You know the
>REBOL list is very active, I've never understood why the chat room at
>REBOL.org was never used much, if at all.
>
>I for one would really like to speak to a lot of you fellow list members in
>real time, anybody else up for this? Now this would make us a real community.
>
>I've tried not to talk about OSCAR here, but just a couple of points I'd like
>to make. I will promote and protect OSCAR whenever I can because I
>believe that it is important and that by doing all I can to ensure it
becomes
>a reality, then we will all benefit from that. However I also want to stress
>again OSCAR is intended to be complementary to REBOL and not a competitive
>replacement or divergent from REBOL.
>
>In many ways I see a parallel to Forth twenty odd years ago.
>First Forth was Chuck Moore's baby, then it was the child of Forth Inc.
>Then FIG the Forth Users Interest group re-implemented their own
>Forth and Forth spread like wildfire, Carl Sassenrath knows this,
>he helped build a Forth System at one time.
>
>However there is an old saying which we at OSCAR would do well to
>heed.
>
>"If you've seen one Forth then you've seen one Forth!"
>
>Yes we have experimental REBOL's and I dare say in future there
>might be experimental OSCAR's, but remember no matter how much
>REBOL grows up and leaves home, it is still Carl's baby.
>
>REBOL is the standard, OSCAR wants to be REBOL, hence
>OSCAR: Open Source Code Also REBOL.
>
>However at present it is still in it's infancy and to show I've got
>a light hearted side.
>
>OSCAR: Only Stupid "Charlies" Attempting REBOL.
>
>PS To prove I want REBOL to succeed and make money, Iam
>trying to build a REBOL/Power Tools collection which takes
>inspiration from the O'Reilly UNIX Power Tools classic book.
>These scripts and functions could form the basis of a REBOL
>cookbook, after all we all know that REBOL is great for so many
>tasks on all systems not just Unix. REBOLPress could publish
>this book and make money for RT this way, I've already suggested
>this to BO @ REBOL this morning. This is another of my ideas
>to build a community project. Anyone want to help donate scripts
>and functions? Anyone want to write the book?.
>
>I'm finished now, I'm sorry for this being another one of my sermons,
>and again I apologize. it's just that iam really passionate about
>REBOL and it's possibilities, but if you want me to shut up
>then I will.
>
>cheers my fellow REBOL friends,
>
>Mark Dickson
>
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