[REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate
> -Original Message- > From: Anton Rolls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate > > > > What if what you say is incorrect? > (over and over again.) Then Q helps you > to fool yourself. :-) but you would have done it the long way anyways... it just lets you take less time and get on with making a fool out of yourself, I gues. :-) Potentialy allowing you more time to realise that you are wrong... anyways, if I always use 'get as the word which is equal for 'load... I guess I am not using 'get for something else. if I am, there is some context which is changing its meaning... I think THAT is the key to natural interface. If your application can properly understand the context of the word, then the actual word is irrelevent. you can pluck out many words out of many sentences without affecting the meaning, because there is an inherent context. A surgeon saying "open" to a nurse while working probably isn't saying the same thing as the doorman when he is told to `open. I think this is where rebol's dialecting shines. If Q can detect patterns and quietly change or adapt the dialect then saying something might not produce the same result all the time. if something is said which is out of context, then the application (like any human) should simply ask "is this what you mean?". Or say "I don't get that, aren't we currently doing X" where X is the current context (dialect). This is also the way Q could fix your typos, by actively asking you if you really meant something, at least you know it understood you. philosophical discussions are so enlightening :-) -MAx > Does the engine assume that the human as > teacher always knows what is correct? > > Anton. > > > if repetitive patterns occurs, it should ask if a specific item > > is equivalent to something else... so that you can interchange > > its expected word and yours without ill effect in any of its > > language. an example is that if you always say open instead of > > load, eventually it could catch this and ask you if open is > > equivalent to load... > > > > If Q is supposed to be all about helping in a natural manner, > > maybe it should learn to help its user help himself. ;-) > > > > Maybe some of this is already part of Q, but I'm just throwing my > > ideas on the wall as they occur to me... > > > > HTH in any way! > > > > Q idea is nice. > > > > -MAx > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate
Hi Anton. You are opening a delightful discussion. The obvious question is: "Correct" by what standards? Which standards should we strive for? Is a more "human" software interface one that understands me better (including my ideosyncracies, typical misspellings, and "personal" choice of words), or should we strive for some objective standard of correctness and have the software penalize anyone, who does not adhere to that standard? I think that this is an interesting design decision for any human-software interface that is calculated to interface more comfortably with its users. Any ideas? Elan Anton Rolls wrote: >What if what you say is incorrect? >(over and over again.) Then Q helps you >to fool yourself. >Does the engine assume that the human as >teacher always knows what is correct? > >Anton. > > > >>if repetitive patterns occurs, it should ask if a specific item >>is equivalent to something else... so that you can interchange >>its expected word and yours without ill effect in any of its >>language. an example is that if you always say open instead of >>load, eventually it could catch this and ask you if open is >>equivalent to load... >> >>If Q is supposed to be all about helping in a natural manner, >>maybe it should learn to help its user help himself. ;-) >> >>Maybe some of this is already part of Q, but I'm just throwing my >>ideas on the wall as they occur to me... >> >>HTH in any way! >> >>Q idea is nice. >> >>-MAx >> >> > > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate
What if what you say is incorrect? (over and over again.) Then Q helps you to fool yourself. Does the engine assume that the human as teacher always knows what is correct? Anton. > if repetitive patterns occurs, it should ask if a specific item > is equivalent to something else... so that you can interchange > its expected word and yours without ill effect in any of its > language. an example is that if you always say open instead of > load, eventually it could catch this and ask you if open is > equivalent to load... > > If Q is supposed to be all about helping in a natural manner, > maybe it should learn to help its user help himself. ;-) > > Maybe some of this is already part of Q, but I'm just throwing my > ideas on the wall as they occur to me... > > HTH in any way! > > Q idea is nice. > > -MAx -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate
Ok.. here's a line you can add to general.q (I'll stick it in the next version with a few others) Q [FP "help " 6 ML 10][M "Opener" "http://www.powerofq.com/qmanual/manual.html"; O "Here's a page to help get you started." Pause 4] Terry - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate
If any of these work within Q, and opens a browser or just a view text box which gives proper help or suggestion, or hints.. I guess that would be obvious enough. "help me" "what can I do" "what can Q do?" "how does this work" "?" "hum" "I'm lost" "suggestions?" "what now?" It could even automatically give you hints on proper wording if the current sentence makes no sence to it... a bit like "do you mean: try this instead?" and then you just need to say yes and it attempts to handle your sentence the next time (adding it in its list), actually learning your speach... if repetitive patterns occurs, it should ask if a specific item is equivalent to something else... so that you can interchange its expected word and yours without ill effect in any of its language. an example is that if you always say open instead of load, eventually it could catch this and ask you if open is equivalent to load... If Q is supposed to be all about helping in a natural manner, maybe it should learn to help its user help himself. ;-) Maybe some of this is already part of Q, but I'm just throwing my ideas on the wall as they occur to me... HTH in any way! Q idea is nice. -MAx --- "You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being part of the problem is much more fun." > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate > > > > pekr wrote: > > What I miss with Q (otoh I haven't read any docs yet) - is - you run > it and ask yourself - how do I use it? Some kind of wizard would help. > > Perhaps a Help|About and a Help|Wizard menu function would be useful? > > :) > > Andrew J Martin > Attendance Officer > & Grail Jedi > & Q Heretic... > Colenso High School > Arnold Street, Napier. > Tel: 64-6-8310180 ext 826 > Fax: 64-6-8336759 > http://colenso.net/scripts/Wiki.r?AJM > http://www.colenso.school.nz/ > > DISCLAIMER: Colenso High School and its Board of Trustees is > not responsible (or legally > liable) for materials distributed to or acquired from user > e-mail accounts. You can report any > misuse of an e-mail account to our ICT Manager and the > complaint will be investigated. > (Misuse can come in many forms, but can be viewed as any > material sent/received that > indicate or suggest pornography, unethical or illegal > solicitation, racism, sexism, inappropriate > language and/or other issues described in our Acceptable Use Policy.) > > All outgoing messages are certified virus-free by McAfee > GroupShield Exchange 5.10.285.0 > Phone: +64 6 843 5095 or Fax: +64 6 833 6759 or E-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate
pekr wrote: > What I miss with Q (otoh I haven't read any docs yet) - is - you run it and ask yourself - how do I use it? Some kind of wizard would help. Perhaps a Help|About and a Help|Wizard menu function would be useful? :) Andrew J Martin Attendance Officer & Grail Jedi & Q Heretic... Colenso High School Arnold Street, Napier. Tel: 64-6-8310180 ext 826 Fax: 64-6-8336759 http://colenso.net/scripts/Wiki.r?AJM http://www.colenso.school.nz/ DISCLAIMER: Colenso High School and its Board of Trustees is not responsible (or legally liable) for materials distributed to or acquired from user e-mail accounts. You can report any misuse of an e-mail account to our ICT Manager and the complaint will be investigated. (Misuse can come in many forms, but can be viewed as any material sent/received that indicate or suggest pornography, unethical or illegal solicitation, racism, sexism, inappropriate language and/or other issues described in our Acceptable Use Policy.) All outgoing messages are certified virus-free by McAfee GroupShield Exchange 5.10.285.0 Phone: +64 6 843 5095 or Fax: +64 6 833 6759 or E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: New Q Module - Translate
I use an old copy of Encap that I've had since the beginning. Problem is, it doesn't recognize newer words like "browse". But Q is pure Rebol with some calls to proprietary software like talk.exe. I have a speech recognition engine for Q that I've developed as well. There is an introduction page on the Power of Q website.. http://www.powerofq.com/intro.html Terry >Is Q developped with rebol (/sdk)? > > >>Yes, I assume it is done using SDK. Hower, while slightly off-topic, I today saw one product - Macro Express. What I miss with Q (otoh I haven't read any docs yet) - is - you run it and ask yourself - how do I use it? Some kind of wizard would help. - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate
Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch wrote: >Is Q developped with rebol (/sdk)? > > Yes, I assume it is done using SDK. Hower, while slightly off-topic, I today saw one product - Macro Express. What I miss with Q (otoh I haven't read any docs yet) - is - you run it and ask yourself - how do I use it? Some kind of wizard would help. Look at following site - with that tool you can macro-your-Windows-to-death mouse, keybord, pop-up window simulations, miximising, minimising, closing, launching stuff etc. http://www.macros.com/screen.htm I wonder if something like that would be possible with Q ... -pekr- >all the user code I see looks like a straight interpretation of rebol datatypes. > >especially this: >Q [FP "bj " 3][O read %docs/journal.txt] > >-MAx >--- >"You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being >part of the problem is much more fun." > > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Terry Brownell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:57 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: [REBOL] New Q module - Translate >> >> >>New Q Module Notice - Translate - Translate any web page to >>and from a number of languages. To use, tell Q "T" (short for >>translate), followed by the to/from languages, followed by >>the url of the web page. For example... >> >>"T english to chinese http://www.powerofq.com"; >> >>...w ill translate the Power of Q website into chinese. Uber cool. >> >>Download it at http://powerofq.com/modules.html >> >>TB >> >> >>- >>Do you Yahoo!? >>The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. >> >> >> >> > > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: New Q module - Translate
Is Q developped with rebol (/sdk)? all the user code I see looks like a straight interpretation of rebol datatypes. especially this: Q [FP "bj " 3][O read %docs/journal.txt] -MAx --- "You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being part of the problem is much more fun." > -Original Message- > From: Terry Brownell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:57 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [REBOL] New Q module - Translate > > > New Q Module Notice - Translate - Translate any web page to > and from a number of languages. To use, tell Q "T" (short for > translate), followed by the to/from languages, followed by > the url of the web page. For example... > > "T english to chinese http://www.powerofq.com"; > > ...w ill translate the Power of Q website into chinese. Uber cool. > > Download it at http://powerofq.com/modules.html > > TB > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
