Re: [recoznet2] SMH bias in letters page?
Rod, Glad to hear that your letter will be published. Let's hope they don't cut out all the relevant bits. As for the rest of your post -- It sure speaks for itself! I must say that, in general, the SMH is a quality newspaper compared to what else is on offer but they have this streak of tabloidism that they give into every now and again. Unfortunately, for those not in the know, this gives it a credence that it would not otherwise have. Trudy Rod Hagen wrote: At 10:10 AM 10/7/99, Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: No sign of your balancing letter here, Rod. Have you heard from them at all? Sandall and O'Meara are both long term confreres of Brunton et al, Trudy. The SMH say they are running a shortened version of my letter on Monday. The following, from the convenor of the Australian Anthropological society list, might help to shed a bit of light on the various alliances. Hills was asked whether he would be prepared to take part in an AAS panel concerning the issues invoilved in the article. he declined, but nominated various others to fill his place, including O'Meara and Sandall: I think that Ben Hills is on this list anyhow, but I will send him a copy of this note. AASNet, after all, is open to anyone who sends the correct command to the computer. I would like to report on the efforts to secure fearless and outspoken anthropologists to participate in a debate on professional practice for Monday morning, 12 July, that Ben mentioned in his e-mail to me that I circulated earlier today on AASNet. Incidentally, I did this without Ben's permission or knowledge; it was just an expediency as I am so pressed for time. I am actually grateful to Ben for raising the issues that he has and at just this time in the development of the discipline of anthropology in Australia. I thank him for his role in promoting this debate. Unfortunately, the people he mentioned have not proven to be easy to contact. Jeremy Beckett attempted to speak with Roger Sandall Tim O'Maera Ken Maddock Les Hiatt Ken is ex-directory, but I know from another source that he has advised that he is not in town. Jeremy was unable to contact Les, who may be back from the UK. Doug Lewis advises me: "Tim (O'Maera) is on leave from the University of Melbourne this year, but has moved his family back to Iowa (where he has purchased a house) and so I suspect he will not return to Australia". Finally, I rang the only Sandall in the Sydney White Pages. I asked if the person who answered the 'phone was Roger Sandall, formally of Sydney University. He replied that he was, that he knew "my pals" and had no intention of having anything to do with our anthropology conference this weekend, hanging up before I could actually speak to him. I take that as a no. So, there you have it! I am hoping that Brian Fegan will show still and participate in the debate on Monday morning. See some of you over the next few days, Grant Cheers Rod Rod Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hurstbridge, Victoria, Australia WWWhttp://www.netspace.net.au/~rodhagen --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ -- Tories: Rugged individualists who believe they owe nothing to society while heading the queue helping themselves to its benefits. --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
[recoznet2] Jawoyn answer to 'myth making'
The Sydney Morning Herald [Print Edition] July 10, 1999 Belittling of culture disguised as debate by Robert Lee RELIGION and politics, a whitefella once told me, are not the subjects of polite conversation. So why is Aboriginal religion such a regular punching bag for commentators? Is it mere impoliteness, or is something else at stake?. Why do my people, the Jawoyn of the Northern Territory, continually have to defend our beliefs against academic "experts because of our successful campaign to stop mining on our traditional land at Guratba, which you know better as Coronation Hill. Why do we have to fend off accusations of lies from people who know nothing about our country and its men and women? We Aboriginal people dont need outside experts to validate our faith; we don't need them to speak on our behalf to confirm the reality of our beliefs, nor to act as gatekeepers of our ritual knowledge. Yet the attacks continue, although it is almost a decade since the Hawke Government recognised Coronation Hills spiritual significance to the Jawoyn people and decided mining should not proceed. The narrow and sectarian views of so-called "dissident anthropologists such as the Institute of Public Affairs' Ron Brunton, quoted on these pages last Saturday are trotted out to prove the Jawoyn, aided and abetted by partisan and politically motivated anthropologists, invented the ancestral spirit Bula at Guratba. It is a pity no-one spoke to the Jawoyn I wonder who is doing the mythmaking? Jawoyn success in protecting the sickness country around Coronation Hill was not based on fabrication, as implied by Mr Brunton. It was based on profoundly held views by Jawoyn and other Aboriginal lawmen of the region. The fact that anthropological evidence concerning the Guratba site was not identified until the 1970s merely reflects the fact that there were simply no anthropologists around until then. Does Mr Brunton seriously suggest that the ancestral spirits of my people exist only if affirmed by an external expert, a white-fella anthropologist? As it happens, though, a great number of independent "experts were consulted on the issue of Guratba, some with many years experience in the region. None denied the genuineness of the religious belief of the custodians of Guratba, nor claimed we invented Bula for financial gain, as has been implied. One of the great unwritten parts of the story of the battle for Guratba was the rejection by senior Jawoyn of cash and other inducements to change their minds. Mr Bruntons 10,000-word critique of the inquiry into the claim about the sickness country near the proposed mine site was an armchair effort. He has never done anthropological fieldwork within cooee of Jawoyn traditional lands. Most offensive is Mr Bruntons claim that our traditional beliefs and culture allow us to construct whole incentives around victim-hood and prevent us from pulling out of disadvantage. It is our cultural strength that allows the Jawoyn - despite the Guratba experience - to engage positively with the mining industry to the point where we hold equity in exploration on our traditional lands and are represented on the NT Minerals Council executive. This in turn reflects the level of respect within the industry for our beliefs. We do not need distant theoreticians to improve ourselves. Nor do we need our religious beliefs sneered at and belittled in the guise of academic debates about anthropologists. We reject the paternalist notion that we are doomed to be manipulated by experts. Some anthropologists we agree with, some we do not. We have never instructed them to come up with particular answers. We do not always agree with the anthropologists we employ, just as we may disagree with other advisers, the lawyers, scientists, and economists we use to move towards our goal of economic and social independence. We consider their advice, and then make our own determinations. And thats no myth. Robert Lee is executive director of the Jawoyn Association, Katherine, Northern Territory. · Adele Horin is on leave. --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
[recoznet2] Results of online polls
NINEMSN online polls Should Labor undo the GST if it wins government at the next election? Yes: 46% (1783) No: 54% (2072) Do you agree with the PM John Howard that Australians have no interest in a republic? Yes: 33% (1210) No: 67% (2476) Do you think the fraud charges against former Senator Mal Colston should have been dropped? Yes: 17% (663) No: 83% (3133) Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Results of online polls
what's the URL, Trudy? NINEMSN online polls Should Labor undo the GST if it wins government at the next election? Yes: 46% (1783) No: 54% (2072) Do you agree with the PM John Howard that Australians have no interest in a republic? Yes: 33% (1210) No: 67% (2476) Do you think the fraud charges against former Senator Mal Colston should have been dropped? Yes: 17% (663) No: 83% (3133) Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Results of online polls
Sorry. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/06_feature/story_240.asp Liam wrote: what's the URL, Trudy? NINEMSN online polls Should Labor undo the GST if it wins government at the next election? Yes: 46% (1783) No: 54% (2072) Do you agree with the PM John Howard that Australians have no interest in a republic? Yes: 33% (1210) No: 67% (2476) Do you think the fraud charges against former Senator Mal Colston should have been dropped? Yes: 17% (663) No: 83% (3133) Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ -- Tories: Rugged individualists who believe they owe nothing to society while heading the queue helping themselves to its benefits. --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
[recoznet2] Poll on Tim Fischer
http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/ How do you rate Tim Fischer as Deputy Prime Minister during his term? Trudy PS Funny during all the praise heaped upon him, noone seems to have remembered the 'bucketloads of extinguishments' the 'bloodsucking land councils' and other such 'moderate' Fischerisms. --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
