Re: [recoznet2] Fw: [FN] THE CONTINUING SAGA OF THE ECO-RACISTS
Liam, I think "Arthur J. Miller" is a pseudonym. Arthur J. Miller, the famous American writer would never write a piece like that. Besides that, I believe he died a couple of years ago. I believe you about the letters to the editors and the editorials. If you read the letters and editorials here does it give you an acurate picture or do you fill it in with your own knowledge? I read recently that one section of the Makah wants to sue the other for promoting the whaling. If you believe the lies that have been spread about Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd then you aren't aware of the whole story. There are three whaling nations supporting the Makah whaling and if you don't think that they have something to do with the smear campaign out of revenge and self interest.. Paul Watson was at Wounded Knee helping carry the wounded out of the line of fire on the Native American side. He put his life on the line for his beliefs like he still does. He is one of the founders of Greenpeace. He is not a racist. He is against whaling not the Makah. When Paul Watson was in jail in Holland at the request of Norway awaiting extradition hearings (Norway lost) I wrote something in his support to a green list in the US. It found its way to some Norwegians who disagreed with me and I was subjected to a smear campaign (I know because I received mail from very many Norwegians with the most filthy language I have ever seen) and a mail bombing campaign that went on for months. This experience makes me think that there are plenty of Norwegians out there who would be happy to pretend they are Paul Watson and make up lies and racist putdowns of the Makah in his name. To another question: Yes, I think the Dalai Lama knows very well what Paul Watson and the Sea Shepherd Society are up to and that is why he wrote the letter. It should make you question the totally opposite picture that is being pushed by whaling supporters. I would suggest that from now on we discuss this off the list since it is off-topic. Cheers, Trudy Liam wrote: > Trudy, have you read any editorials from around the Washington state area? > Have you read the letters to the editor of sections of newspapers? Have you > noticed that Indian people don't have a voice in the area? Did you realize > that it will be ANOTHER treaty that the US has broken if they say the Makah > cannot hunt whales? (not that this makes much of an impression on the US > populace, every treaty has been broken) Does the poem suggest anything about > the supporters of Sea Shepherd? (it was posted on the "Seattle Insider > whaling forum" and was removed recently,) There are more buffalo being > killed by whites in Yellowstone, than what there are Whales being killed by > Makah. Do you think that the Dalai Lama knows what Sea Shepherd are up to? > Who would make a fake Makah site, twisting words to make the Makah look like > murderous pigs? (no offense to pigs intended :) Kill an Indian save a Whale > has been a popular expression. > > If you want to follow up on who wrote the message, send an e-mail to the > latter person... bayou@... I believe Arthur j miller wrote the piece...I > will track him down if you can't. > > There are ways and means of saving whales. I have read too many articles and > personnel accounts of Sea Shepherd et al to believe that they are doing good > (regardless of their intents) > > If you give your permission, I'll send your response to the mailing list I > got this from. > > What did Watson do at the Knee? > > I've seen just as many "smears" of the Makah, than what I have of > Watson...in fact, if I wasn't on so many Indigenous lists, I probably would > only see "smearing" of the Makah...newspapers, TV, radio haven't touched on > the lies Sea Shepherd has purported. > > "Later it included many death threats, a bomb threat to a Native school, the > harassment of Makah children, the harassment of Native people throughout the > state of Washington and so on." I can put you in contact with some of these > people. > > peace > > p.s. for what it's worth, I haven't made my mind up on how I feel about this > issue. I do know the it has improved and renewed pride in the Makah people, > as much as Sea Shepherd et al has tried to suppress it. > > pps I know there are generalisations here... don't attack them...they aren't > meant as anything else --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed fu
Re: [recoznet2] Fw: [FN] THE CONTINUING SAGA OF THE ECO-RACISTS
Trudy, have you read any editorials from around the Washington state area? Have you read the letters to the editor of sections of newspapers? Have you noticed that Indian people don't have a voice in the area? Did you realize that it will be ANOTHER treaty that the US has broken if they say the Makah cannot hunt whales? (not that this makes much of an impression on the US populace, every treaty has been broken) Does the poem suggest anything about the supporters of Sea Shepherd? (it was posted on the "Seattle Insider whaling forum" and was removed recently,) There are more buffalo being killed by whites in Yellowstone, than what there are Whales being killed by Makah. Do you think that the Dalai Lama knows what Sea Shepherd are up to? Who would make a fake Makah site, twisting words to make the Makah look like murderous pigs? (no offense to pigs intended :) Kill an Indian save a Whale has been a popular expression. If you want to follow up on who wrote the message, send an e-mail to the latter person... bayou@... I believe Arthur j miller wrote the piece...I will track him down if you can't. There are ways and means of saving whales. I have read too many articles and personnel accounts of Sea Shepherd et al to believe that they are doing good (regardless of their intents) If you give your permission, I'll send your response to the mailing list I got this from. What did Watson do at the Knee? I've seen just as many "smears" of the Makah, than what I have of Watson...in fact, if I wasn't on so many Indigenous lists, I probably would only see "smearing" of the Makah...newspapers, TV, radio haven't touched on the lies Sea Shepherd has purported. "Later it included many death threats, a bomb threat to a Native school, the harassment of Makah children, the harassment of Native people throughout the state of Washington and so on." I can put you in contact with some of these people. peace p.s. for what it's worth, I haven't made my mind up on how I feel about this issue. I do know the it has improved and renewed pride in the Makah people, as much as Sea Shepherd et al has tried to suppress it. pps I know there are generalisations here... don't attack them...they aren't meant as anything else >Liam, >Who exactly from the below wrote the smear piece? It is a very dishonest thing to do to associate the things >George Bush did and stood for and because he praised Paul Watson, insinuate that Watson holds the same views >and is guilty (by association) of what Bush did. > >To wit: >A message from the Dalai Lama > > The natural environment sustains the life of all beings in the world. > However, nearly everywhere these days it is undergoing extensive > degeneration. Therefore, it is more important than ever that each of us > makes whatever effort we can according to our capacity to ensure the > protection, restoration and replenishment of our environment and its > inhabitants. > > When the environment becomes damaged and polluted, there are > many negative consequences. Oceans and lakes lose their cool and > soothing qualities and the creatures depending on them are disturbed. > The decline of vegetation and forest cover causes great harm not only > around its immediate surroundings but even in far away and unrelated > areas. Rain no longer falls when required, the soil dries and erodes, > forest fires rage and unprecedented storms and floods arise. We all > suffer the consequences. > > I am happy to lend my support to those who, like the > volunteers of the Sea Shepherd Conservation > Society, seek to protect our oceans and our fellow > creatures like the whales who live in them. > > And it is my hope that through understanding the > interdependence of the world and all the beings that live in it, people > will adapt their behaviour in such ways that the potential of our > bounteous natural realm will be nurtured and preserved. > > His Holiness The Dalai Lama > 29 September 1998 > >I guess the Dalai Lama will now be painted with the racist brush because he too believes in saving whales. > >It seems to me that people who write stuff like you posted are desperate to excuse what they are doing by >attacking others with a different viewpoint. If the Makah want to kill whales then they should feel secure >enough in that they don't need to turn everyone who doesn't agree with them into racists. Disagreement is >not racism. I think that Paul Watson, who braved the bullets at Wounded Knee is being smeared with racism >very unjustly. It smacks of insecurity on the part of the Makah about what they are doing. Turning Paul >Watson into a racist is not going to make them feel any better. > >Liam wrote: > >> From: Mike Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>From AREAN; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > THE CONTINUING SAGA OF THE ECO-RACISTS >> > >> > When I first confronted Sea Shepherd and its supporting organizations, >> >over the issue of how they were handling their confrontation with the >> >Makahs, I thought I was just deal
Re: [recoznet2] Fw: [FN] THE CONTINUING SAGA OF THE ECO-RACISTS
Liam, Who exactly from the below wrote the smear piece? It is a very dishonest thing to do to associate the things George Bush did and stood for and because he praised Paul Watson, insinuate that Watson holds the same views and is guilty (by association) of what Bush did. To wit: A message from the Dalai Lama The natural environment sustains the life of all beings in the world. However, nearly everywhere these days it is undergoing extensive degeneration. Therefore, it is more important than ever that each of us makes whatever effort we can according to our capacity to ensure the protection, restoration and replenishment of our environment and its inhabitants. When the environment becomes damaged and polluted, there are many negative consequences. Oceans and lakes lose their cool and soothing qualities and the creatures depending on them are disturbed. The decline of vegetation and forest cover causes great harm not only around its immediate surroundings but even in far away and unrelated areas. Rain no longer falls when required, the soil dries and erodes, forest fires rage and unprecedented storms and floods arise. We all suffer the consequences. I am happy to lend my support to those who, like the volunteers of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, seek to protect our oceans and our fellow creatures like the whales who live in them. And it is my hope that through understanding the interdependence of the world and all the beings that live in it, people will adapt their behaviour in such ways that the potential of our bounteous natural realm will be nurtured and preserved. His Holiness The Dalai Lama 29 September 1998 I guess the Dalai Lama will now be painted with the racist brush because he too believes in saving whales. It seems to me that people who write stuff like you posted are desperate to excuse what they are doing by attacking others with a different viewpoint. If the Makah want to kill whales then they should feel secure enough in that they don't need to turn everyone who doesn't agree with them into racists. Disagreement is not racism. I think that Paul Watson, who braved the bullets at Wounded Knee is being smeared with racism very unjustly. It smacks of insecurity on the part of the Makah about what they are doing. Turning Paul Watson into a racist is not going to make them feel any better. Liam wrote: > From: Mike Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>From AREAN; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > THE CONTINUING SAGA OF THE ECO-RACISTS > > > > When I first confronted Sea Shepherd and its supporting organizations, > >over the issue of how they were handling their confrontation with the > >Makahs, I thought I was just dealing with people who were just > >opportunists who were using a tactic to win their issue. It seemed that > >they felt that they already had the support of most environmentalists and > >animal rights people and that none of these people would ever dare > >question anything they did. So they set out to increase their support > >base by joining with those who would be against anything that any > >Native people did. This was not the first time I had seen such people use > >what ever they felt they could use, including racism, to win their "issue". > >For that is an old "American" tradition. Winning a "issue" is more > >important than how you win. But the more I found out about these > >people, the more I find myself realizing there is much more to all this > >than I ever realized. > > Sea Shepherd and its supporting organizations represent a growing > >rightwing turn in parts of the environmental movement. It was in 1997 > >that Sea Shepherd recruited the extremist rightwing anti-tribal activist > >Jack Metcalf in the campaign against the Makah people. Metcalf had a > >long history of not only being anti-tribal, but also a racist organizer for > >the "Wise Use" movement who was out to work in the interests of the > >corporations and white property owners. His goal was to open up public > >and tribal land to the interests he represented. Thus, he saw working > >with Sea Shepherd against the Makah people as a good opportunity to > >expand his campaign against the treaties between the First Nations and > >the U.S. Government. Sea Shepherd gave him what he wanted by also > >threatening those treaties. > > Then Sea Shepherd, and its supporting organizations, set out to > >arouse a racist backlash, not only against the Makahs, but also against > >Native people in general. The reason they went after Native people in > >general was that they hoped to force other Native people to side against > >the Makahs by making them suffer for the actions of the Makahs. Paul > >Watson made this very clear when he stated that "if the Makahs take a > >whale then all Indian people would suffer." Watson even went so far as > >to use Americian "patriotism" to advance his campaign in the same way > >it is used to arouse the Americian people against so-called foreign > >
[recoznet2] Fw: [FN] THE CONTINUING SAGA OF THE ECO-RACISTS
From: Mike Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>From AREAN; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > THE CONTINUING SAGA OF THE ECO-RACISTS > > When I first confronted Sea Shepherd and its supporting organizations, >over the issue of how they were handling their confrontation with the >Makahs, I thought I was just dealing with people who were just >opportunists who were using a tactic to win their issue. It seemed that >they felt that they already had the support of most environmentalists and >animal rights people and that none of these people would ever dare >question anything they did. So they set out to increase their support >base by joining with those who would be against anything that any >Native people did. This was not the first time I had seen such people use >what ever they felt they could use, including racism, to win their "issue". >For that is an old "American" tradition. Winning a "issue" is more >important than how you win. But the more I found out about these >people, the more I find myself realizing there is much more to all this >than I ever realized. > Sea Shepherd and its supporting organizations represent a growing >rightwing turn in parts of the environmental movement. It was in 1997 >that Sea Shepherd recruited the extremist rightwing anti-tribal activist >Jack Metcalf in the campaign against the Makah people. Metcalf had a >long history of not only being anti-tribal, but also a racist organizer for >the "Wise Use" movement who was out to work in the interests of the >corporations and white property owners. His goal was to open up public >and tribal land to the interests he represented. Thus, he saw working >with Sea Shepherd against the Makah people as a good opportunity to >expand his campaign against the treaties between the First Nations and >the U.S. Government. Sea Shepherd gave him what he wanted by also >threatening those treaties. > Then Sea Shepherd, and its supporting organizations, set out to >arouse a racist backlash, not only against the Makahs, but also against >Native people in general. The reason they went after Native people in >general was that they hoped to force other Native people to side against >the Makahs by making them suffer for the actions of the Makahs. Paul >Watson made this very clear when he stated that "if the Makahs take a >whale then all Indian people would suffer." Watson even went so far as >to use Americian "patriotism" to advance his campaign in the same way >it is used to arouse the Americian people against so-called foreign >enemies. The idea was to create the image of the American people vs >the enemy being the Makahs and Native people in general. > The result in all this was a racist backlash that was carried on in the >newspapers, radio and tv. Later it included many death threats, a bomb >threat to a Native school, the harassment of Makah children, the >harassment of Native people throughout the state of Washington and so >on. > Now I read in Sea Shepherd's web site that Sea Shepherd, Sea >Defense Alliance and other such organizations have been showing up at >recent campaign rallies of Sen. Slade Gorton and at one in Friday >Harbor presented him with awards. Sen. Slade Gorton is another long >time anti-tribal activist who many environmentalists know for his work in >the interests of the timber and mining companies. In a letter posted by >Sea Shepherd from Sen. Gorton he says; "I am more convinced today >than ever before that we must bring common sense back to the >relationship between this country, our laws and Native American tribes. >All Americans should be subject to the same laws." If you do not >understand what he is really saying let me explain it. He is using terms >that have been used by not only by anti-tribal people but also by people >against such things as civil rights which says that anything society does >to correct any of the wrongs done to any group of people is some how >taking rights away from white Americans. In this case it means >eliminating the treaties between the First Nations and the U.S. >Government. > Sen. Gorton is a supporter of the Bush presidential campaign. And I >find it rather interesting that Bush's father, the warmongering former >president and former head of the CIA, on June 22 named Paul Watson a >"Daily Point Of Light". In issuing this award Bush states "Your acts of >generosity and community action exemplity the spirit of service and set >a standard of excellence to which people of all ages can aspire." Given >the service to the corporate community of Bush as the head of the CIA, >as Reagan's Vice-President and then as President, we all know the type >of service Watson was awarded for. > Then yesterday I was sent a poem (see below) that was sent to a >member of the Puyallup Nation by the Sea Defense Alliance >"commander" Athena McIntyre that shows just how far the racism and >hate has gone by some of the so-called environmentalists. > I do not view all environmentalists as racist, even though this is how >some
