Re: [recoznet2] Stop Genocide - Grandmother's Petition - The Block Redfern
As I have continually stated, I have asked around and have found NO ONE who knows anything of your petition or who you represent. I have not sighted any person's signature on your petition at any time, so cannot verify it by that example. And believe me it is not through want of trying. So my question still stands, ASK WHO?? Your reluctance to answer seems to me to give me enough to treat your petition with suspicion - until such time as I can verify its veracity. Don Don Clark President Indigenous Social Justice Association PO Box K555 HAYMARKET NSW 1240 - Original Message - From: webweave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 1999 4:47 Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Stop Genocide - Grandmother's Petition - The Block Redfern > At 22:49 12/07/99 +1000, you wrote: > > > > Don Clark President Indigenous Social Justice Association > > PO Box K555 HAYMARKET NSW 1240 > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>webweave > >> To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Friday, 9 July 1999 10:22 > >> Subject: [recoznet2] Stop Genocide - Grandmother's Petition - The Block > >> Redfern > >> > >> *please note - this response is from me personally > >> > >> I just like to know that I am signing a petition FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE > >> BLOCK, BY THE PEOPLE OF THE BLOCK. > > > > > go ask them > --- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ > --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Stop Genocide - Grandmother's Petition - The Block Redfern
At 22:49 12/07/99 +1000, you wrote: > > Don Clark President Indigenous Social Justice Association > PO Box K555 HAYMARKET NSW 1240 >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>webweave >> To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, 9 July 1999 10:22 >> Subject: [recoznet2] Stop Genocide - Grandmother's Petition - The Block >> Redfern >> >> *please note - this response is from me personally >> >> I just like to know that I am signing a petition FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE >> BLOCK, BY THE PEOPLE OF THE BLOCK. > go ask them --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Stop Genocide - Grandmother's Petition - The Block Redfern
Don ClarkPresidentIndigenous Social Justice AssociationPO Box K555HAYMARKET NSW 1240 - Original Message - From: webweave To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 July 1999 10:22 Subject: [recoznet2] Stop Genocide - Grandmother's Petition - The Block Redfern *please note - this response is from me personallyfor those have doubts about the petition, and for those who responded, then qualified their support after Don's postthe petition has been signed by residents of The Block, who want a peaceful community, not be moved out so others can develop a corporate centre or marketplace just because it is on the city fringe and someone wants to make money off the backs of those who think of The block as home You say that the petition has been signed by residents of the Block. I have never seen the signatures of those residents. The only signature (sic) I have seen is "by an official interpreter for residents of the Block" How can you call this a signature and why would members of the Block need an official interpreter. I know many people who live in the Block and I have never met a supporter of your petition (as yet - and I am always open to any introduction). Until I meet with yoru supporters or can see signatures by Indigenous people from the Block - then I cannot believe you. It is my understanding that the Block IS to have housing. At least those are the plans that have been filed. Do you know something that the planning people do not know? the only way to make change is to participate in bringing it about I agree. But I still do not know who you represent (you have been seen at meetings with your petition - but never with anyone from the Block) and, as I have stated in an email directly to you, my Association has taken a neutral stance due to the fact that we ahve members who support the MANY differing views on what should or should not happen to the Block. So this Association is not participating. the petition asks for supportthose on this list will make up their own minds about signing it or not, and about participating in change by circulating the petition as i believe that just signing it isn't enough - big numbers are needed to address big problems I believe I stated something similar. Quote: I leave it to other members of the list group to make up their own minds. Iam not trying to influence them either. I am, however, trying to giveclarification of where I and my Association is with this petition.Don said in his post, many don't know what is happening on The Block, which is evidently the casehowever, i think many do know as well, if not details and the whole picture, then they do have a general understanding - even media has picked up on it by screening it on SBS And many have a general understanding of Aboriginal issues per se. However, that does not give them the right to speak for others without their permission - and I do not know that you ahve that permission. some issues for those who don't know ...-that aboriginal people are being bulldozed (no matter who is driving it) out of the black heart of oz Redfern and The Block specifically - ie racial group being dispersed from land granted in the 70's The "no matter who is driving it" is interesting, particularly when you say "racial group". It is my understanding that much of this is being done by members of that same racial group. Is that not your understanding too? The phrase "racial group" in this instance sounds like an attempt to emotionalise what I am trying to say. -that the vision in the 70's was for a safety zone, not a war zone Safety for drug sellers, etc?? -that if 'a better block for a better black' is the goal, then what has 'commerce' got to do with this Until indigenous people can create their own commerce and take control of it we will not have the power to take control of our own lives. I have nothing against commercialism, if it is performed in the right maner. but I take exception with the phrase "better black". Is this an attempt at divisiveness? that if 'a better block for a better black' is the goal, why are the locals being moved so far away? Once again that divisive phrase -that the demolition for the comercialisation of The Block continues to make, and has made many residents homeless It is my understanding that no resident of the Block has been made homeless - by this I mean no person who was a client of the Housing Company. Show this Association the proof of this and we will take our own actions. Do not show this Association the proof of this and I will once again claim "emotionalising
[recoznet2] Stop Genocide - Grandmother's Petition - The Block Redfern
*please note - this response is from me personally for those have doubts about the petition, and for those who responded, then qualified their support after Don's post the petition has been signed by residents of The Block, who want a peaceful community, not be moved out so others can develop a corporate centre or marketplace just because it is on the city fringe and someone wants to make money off the backs of those who think of The block as home the only way to make change is to participate in bringing it about the petition asks for support those on this list will make up their own minds about signing it or not, and about participating in change by circulating the petition as i believe that just signing it isn't enough - big numbers are needed to address big problems Don said in his post, many don't know what is happening on The Block, which is evidently the case however, i think many do know as well, if not details and the whole picture, then they do have a general understanding - even media has picked up on it by screening it on SBS some issues for those who don't know ... -that aboriginal people are being bulldozed (no matter who is driving it) out of the black heart of oz Redfern and The Block specifically - ie racial group being dispersed from land granted in the 70's -that the vision in the 70's was for a safety zone, not a war zone -that if 'a better block for a better black' is the goal, then what has 'commerce' got to do with this that if 'a better block for a better black' is the goal, why are the locals being moved so far away? -that the demolition for the comercialisation of The Block continues to make, and has made many residents homeless -that a building owned by the council, that spans half a street, stays empty year after year, instead of providing desperately needed crisis accommodation - even just access to toilets and running water would be a blessing -that 24 hour police surveillance puts this community in the 'outdoor prison' category which if inspected by the prisons 'people' would be criticised for not providing toilets, showers, running water, adequate food etc -that saturation surveillance has not stopped the drug trade, nor violence, nor theft ... ie that police are ineffective in the control of these activities ... there is more but it has all been said before - anyone who wants information can see The Block page at http://www.isis.aust.com/theblock which has an 'issues' list on it derived from the public meeting in november on the block and from concerns raised since that particular community speakout i respect and support the women who got the petition going - they live there and do know details and still had the courage to speak out and seek support to make change they are providing leadership for their community and in my opinion, should be put up for some award or something like it - but maybe they would think more of signatures and action than awards is my guess fyi: amonst support from the nonBlock community was this: "Attention. THE BLOCK REDFERN. I support the Grandmothers Petition to Save Homes in Redfern. I believe it is now long overdue for the residents, ATSIC and the N.S.W. Government to resolve this conflict through independent mediation and I trust such a process can be expedited in the spirit of reconciliation. With best wishes, Margaret Reynolds" it is up to each of us individually to address genocide, but please don't wait too long to decide cheers susanne martain
