Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
Here is the article I was thinking of... Tue, 4 Jan 2000 7:54 CDT LOCAL NEWS : Northern Territory Break-ins skyrocket despite mandatory sentencing The Northern Territory's mandatory sentencing regime does not appear to be deterring criminals from committing property offences. Mandatory sentencing was introduced in the Territory almost three years ago. The latest annual report from Territory Police shows unlawful entries in Alice Springs and Darwin have increased significantly. In Alice Springs in 1997/98 there were 687 reported breaks-ins. Twelve months later the annual total was 830. Reports of criminal damage also increased. In Darwin there were more than 2,200 break-ins during 1998/99, up by 512 on the previous year. The report also shows unlawful entries into buildings in Darwin more than doubled. In Katherine property crime was up by 5 per cent. © 1999 Australian Broadcasting Corporation Sandy Sanders wrote: > > Yes, it's an interesting site -- thanks for posting the url, Trudy. I've > already sent them a friendly note, but there's one thing I thought of > later. They've got statistics purporting to show a 14% decrease in > various kinds of property crime in the NT. Their benchmark dates > are from 1995 to 1998. Am I wrong in thinking that the NT > mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If > that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws > changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible > way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). > > Sandy > > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > > > at: > > > > > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > > > > > Trudy > > > > > > > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that > > far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke > > what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to > > the Chief Minister. > > If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to > > his email address. ;-) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Trudy > > -- > > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archi > ve.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without >permission from the > > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research >under the "fair > > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed >further without > > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > > ~~~ > Sandy Sanders > Wormhole Books > 27A Main Street > Upwey VIC 3158 > ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 > www.wormhole.com.au > > WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . > www.wormhole.com.au > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission >from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under >the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further >without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for me
RE: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
There's a whole heap of discussion of statistics in the senate report. They're all convoluted, though, so it's hard to draw conclusions from it (I can't help wondering how committed the Senate Committee was to overturning mandatory sentencing... a lot of their stuff was confusing and they avoid drawing conclusions quite a bit). Glenn Murray "I am a peanut" -Original Message- From: Trudy and Rod Bray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing You're right about the time that the mandatory sentencing laws came into effect. I think there is an article that mentioned the latest figures. I will have a look for it - unless someone has it handy? Trudy Sandy Sanders wrote: > > Yes, it's an interesting site -- thanks for posting the url, Trudy. I've > already sent them a friendly note, but there's one thing I thought of > later. They've got statistics purporting to show a 14% decrease in > various kinds of property crime in the NT. Their benchmark dates > are from 1995 to 1998. Am I wrong in thinking that the NT > mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If > that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws > changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible > way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). > > Sandy > > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > > > at: > > > > > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > > > > > Trudy > > > > > > > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that > > far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke > > what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to > > the Chief Minister. > > If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to > > his email address. ;-) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Trudy > > -- > > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archi > ve.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > > ~~~ > Sandy Sanders > Wormhole Books > 27A Main Street > Upwey VIC 3158 > ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 > www.wormhole.com.au > > WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . > www.wormhole.com.au > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for pur
Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
You're right about the time that the mandatory sentencing laws came into effect. I think there is an article that mentioned the latest figures. I will have a look for it - unless someone has it handy? Trudy Sandy Sanders wrote: > > Yes, it's an interesting site -- thanks for posting the url, Trudy. I've > already sent them a friendly note, but there's one thing I thought of > later. They've got statistics purporting to show a 14% decrease in > various kinds of property crime in the NT. Their benchmark dates > are from 1995 to 1998. Am I wrong in thinking that the NT > mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If > that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws > changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible > way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). > > Sandy > > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > > > at: > > > > > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > > > > > Trudy > > > > > > > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that > > far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke > > what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to > > the Chief Minister. > > If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to > > his email address. ;-) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Trudy > > -- > > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archi > ve.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without >permission from the > > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research >under the "fair > > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed >further without > > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > > ~~~ > Sandy Sanders > Wormhole Books > 27A Main Street > Upwey VIC 3158 > ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 > www.wormhole.com.au > > WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . > www.wormhole.com.au > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission >from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under >the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further >without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
Yes, it's an interesting site -- thanks for posting the url, Trudy. I've already sent them a friendly note, but there's one thing I thought of later. They've got statistics purporting to show a 14% decrease in various kinds of property crime in the NT. Their benchmark dates are from 1995 to 1998. Am I wrong in thinking that the NT mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). Sandy > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > > at: > > > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > > > Trudy > > > > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that > far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke > what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to > the Chief Minister. > If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to > his email address. ;-) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Trudy > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archi ve.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission >from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under >the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further >without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ ~~~ Sandy Sanders Wormhole Books 27A Main Street Upwey VIC 3158 ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 www.wormhole.com.au WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . www.wormhole.com.au -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > at: > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > Trudy > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to the Chief Minister. If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to his email address. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trudy -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
