Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Martin Mewes]

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Moin, moin ...

at this point I'd like to thank all who helped me on this issue,
exspecially Teodor who installed it for me.

According to what I saw via "screen" and backing up the
".bash_history" I was able to install sendmail 8.12.5 together with
cyrus-sasl on a RedHat 7.3 on a friend of mine.

This will be the basis to write a step-to-step instruction on how to
build this from source in german which I will place on my homepage in
the next days.

Again - Thankx :-D

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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[R P Herrold]

On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Kevin MacNeil wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:54:34AM -0400, Anthony E. Greene wrote:
> > 
> > I found this in the archives, searching for 'auth':
> > 
> >  http://www.redhat.com/mailing-lists/redhat-list/msg64722.html
> > 
> 
> One of the messages in that thread mentioned a short tutorial at
> http://www.owlriver.com/tips/smtp-auth.html.  Using that I was able to
> get smtp-auth working in about two minutes flat.  I was surprised at how
> painless it was.

glad it helped -- Russ Herrold, author of the tip ...



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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[R P Herrold]

On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Martin Mewes wrote:

> Hi Teddor,
> this is what has happend ...
> Am Dienstag, 13. August 2002 16:44 schrieb Teodor Georgiev:
> 
> > 1. You should compile your Sendmail with SASL support.
> 
> First I look again if SASL support is there:
> 
> rpm -qa | grep sasl | sort
> used from: http://www.owlriver.com/tips/smtp-auth.html

As author of the 'tip', I read the thread with interest -- I 
was travelling, and have now returned where I may help.  You 
have done fine so far:

> > TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl
> > define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl
> > define(`confDEF_AUTH_INFO', `/etc/mail/auth/auth-info')dnl
> 
> Ok, so far.

This is fine, and sufficient as well ... Recall that you are
going from sendmail-8.11 to sendmail-8.12, and there is a
change in the 'access' list hashing function syntax.  It is
documented in the sendmail-cf REAME, but is hard to find and 
understand.

> sendmail/sh Build -->ok
> cf/cf/sh Build sendmail.cf -->not ok
>  
> FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl 
> 
> *** WARNING: missing -T in argument of FEATURE(`access_db', hash 
> -o /etc/mail/access.db) 
> 
> I will stop right now, because I cannot find the answer.
> The complete file can be viewed at:
> 
> http://www.mamemu.de/sendmail.mc

yes, absolutely -- the answer has found you, instead .  
-- I have amended:
http://www.owlriver.com/tips/smtp-auth.html at its new 
section 1.5

dnl dnl
dnl -- added for clarification for  Teodor Georgiev and   dnl
dnlMartin Mewes on thread: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth  dnl
dnl dnl
dnl -- old form access hash pre 8.12 
dnl dnl  ---  FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -o 
/etc/mail/access.db')dnl
FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -T -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl
FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')dnl

Please note the NEW form of the hash function in sendmail.mc 
and note expecially the addition of ' -T ' in the 
new hash form.  That is all there is to it.

Please try it, and let us know.  This should solve that issue.  
The answer is not generally findable, for third party
sendmail-8.12 support is still quite young, and sendmail.mc
edit are considered 'deep magic' -- that tip strives to make
it a bit easier.  Good luck.

The full (although rather different) sendmail.mc which I use 
(with some parts removed for clarity) is now linked in as 
well.


Please respect our copyright, and consider contacting us
for all your Open Source and *nix design, architect / systems 
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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Teodor Georgiev]

go to the sendmail untarred source directory and read the INSTALL file.
specially the 2. and 3.


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> Moin, moin ...
> 
> Martin Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> 
> >Hi Teddor,
> 
> Thankx for your PM, which help a lot :-D
> 
> So we go further ...
> 
> while patching this
> 
> >> FEATURE(access_db)dnl
> 
> the following command
> 
> cf/cf # sh Build sendmail.cf --> ok
> 
> on to the next
> 
> I already backuped my configuration and the sendmail-binary
> 
> cf/cf # sh Build install-cf -->ok
> 
> Then
> 
> sendmail/ # sh Build install -->ok
> (but I had to "md /usr/man/man5")
> 
> So and now I will restart sendmail
> 
> Warning: Option: AuthMechanisms requires SASL support (-DSASL)
> Warning: Option: DefaultAuthInfo requires SASL support (-DSASL)
> Warning: Option: AuthOptions requires SASL support (-DSASL)
> Warning: .cf file is out of date: sendmail 8.12.5 supports version
> 10, .cf file is version 9
> /etc/mail/aliases: 64 aliases, longest 291 bytes, 1780 bytes total
> Shutting down sendmail:[  OK  ]
> Building sendmail databases:   [  OK  ]
> Starting sendmail: [  OK  ]
> 
> Hmm 
> 
> Well now I have sendmail 8.12.5 running, but I do not seem to have
> SASL. right? Maybe I missed something while compiling?
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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Martin Mewes]

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Moin, moin ...

Martin Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

>Hi Teddor,

Thankx for your PM, which help a lot :-D

So we go further ...

while patching this

>> FEATURE(access_db)dnl

the following command

cf/cf # sh Build sendmail.cf --> ok

on to the next

I already backuped my configuration and the sendmail-binary

cf/cf # sh Build install-cf -->ok

Then

sendmail/ # sh Build install -->ok
(but I had to "md /usr/man/man5")

So and now I will restart sendmail

Warning: Option: AuthMechanisms requires SASL support (-DSASL)
Warning: Option: DefaultAuthInfo requires SASL support (-DSASL)
Warning: Option: AuthOptions requires SASL support (-DSASL)
Warning: .cf file is out of date: sendmail 8.12.5 supports version
10, .cf file is version 9
/etc/mail/aliases: 64 aliases, longest 291 bytes, 1780 bytes total
Shutting down sendmail:[  OK  ]
Building sendmail databases:   [  OK  ]
Starting sendmail: [  OK  ]

Hmm 

Well now I have sendmail 8.12.5 running, but I do not seem to have
SASL. right? Maybe I missed something while compiling?

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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Anthony E. Greene]

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On 13-Aug-2002/20:27 +0200, Martin Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Am Dienstag, 13. August 2002 18:45 schrieb Anthony E. Greene:
>
>In this case I'd have text snipplets I cut and paste into eMail when 
>answering. For some german newsgroups it easier than to worry about 
>"rtfm".

I have done that sometimes. Now I keep a good set of bookmarks to send.

>But - Yes, you are right, sorry.
>Normally I would do so, but my english is very little and most of the 
>stuff is very difficult to understand, if you do not really 
>understand what's going on ;-)

Yes, for non-English speakers much of the documentation will be difficult.

We wrote a lot about saying "RTFM", but that is not really what I said,
and I understand that "RTFM" is a rude answer. But sometimes there is a
very well-written answer that tells more than could be written in a short
time in an email message.

Language.

Später...

Tony
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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Edward Dekkers]

> The question was answered on this list on July 7, 2002 -- less than one
> week ago. How often should it be answered before saying "Search the list
> archives."?

Although I do agree with you wholeheartedly, Tony. You may want to move to a
new timezone.

If July 7 is one week ago, then your date is around the 14th July?

That's a month ago. Want me to tell you the lotto results for the next 4
weeks?

;-)

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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Kevin MacNeil]

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:54:34AM -0400, Anthony E. Greene wrote:
> 
> I found this in the archives, searching for 'auth':
> 
>  http://www.redhat.com/mailing-lists/redhat-list/msg64722.html
> 

One of the messages in that thread mentioned a short tutorial at
http://www.owlriver.com/tips/smtp-auth.html.  Using that I was able to
get smtp-auth working in about two minutes flat.  I was surprised at how
painless it was.

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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Martin Mewes]

Hi Teddor,
this is what has happend ...

Am Dienstag, 13. August 2002 16:44 schrieb Teodor Georgiev:

> 1. You should compile your Sendmail with SASL support.

First I look again if SASL support is there:

rpm -qa | grep sasl | sort
used from: http://www.owlriver.com/tips/smtp-auth.html

cyrus-sasl-1.5.24-23
cyrus-sasl-devel-1.5.24-23
cyrus-sasl-md5-1.5.24-23
cyrus-sasl-plain-1.5.24-23

> The first is to create the "site.config" m4 template for the
> compilation. I used this (and of course it is working):

I browse to:
sendmail-8.12.5/cf/ostype

Then I did a "joe site.config.m4" and entered this.

> PPENDDEF(`confENVDEF', `-DSASL2')
> APPENDDEF(`conf_sendmail_LIBS', `-lsasl2')
> APPENDDEF(`confLIBDIRS', `-L/usr/lib/sasl')
> APPENDDEF(`confINCDIRS', `-I/usr/include')
> APPENDDEF(`confENVDEF', `-DSASL=20105')
> APPENDDEF(`conf_sendmail_ENVDEF', `-DMILTER')

> Please note, this is just addition to the main site.Linux.m4
> you have to use site.Linux.m4 (unmodified template from the source)
> and site.config.m4 (this one above).
> Note, the "`-DSASL=20105'"  it says the version of SASL.
> Mine was 2.1.5 ;)

Well I should update that now ;-)
ftp://ftp.andrew.cmu.edu/pub/cyrus-mail/cyrus-sasl-2.1.7.tar.gz
for not to use with Kerberos (because I do not have)

./configure --enable-krb4=no

changing in site.config.m4
APPENDDEF(`confENVDEF', `-DSASL=20105')
to
APPENDDEF(`confENVDEF', `-DSASL=20107')
accordingly ... done

> in your sendmail.mc template you have to add these lines:

Hmm, where do I find this and where to put if?
sendmail-8.12.5/cf/cf

Having an older MC-File in Place ;-)
cp /etc/mail/backup/sendmail.mc

> TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl
> define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl
> define(`confDEF_AUTH_INFO', `/etc/mail/auth/auth-info')dnl

Ok, so far.

Now I backup current configuration

cp /usr/sbin/sendmail /root/backup/sendmail/
cp /etc/mail/* /root/backup/sendmail

Then
sendmail/sh Build -->ok
cf/cf/sh Build sendmail.cf -->not ok
 
FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl 

*** WARNING: missing -T in argument of FEATURE(`access_db', hash 
-o /etc/mail/access.db) 

I will stop right now, because I cannot find the answer.
The complete file can be viewed at:

http://www.mamemu.de/sendmail.mc

Any hints?

bis dahin

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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

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Hi Tony,

Am Dienstag, 13. August 2002 18:45 schrieb Anthony E. Greene:

> In a few days his answer will be in the archives. So when this
> question is asked again next week, should he type another message
> answering the question, or should he say "Look for ___ in the
> archives."

In this case I'd have text snipplets I cut and paste into eMail when 
answering. For some german newsgroups it easier than to worry about 
"rtfm".

But - Yes, you are right, sorry.
Normally I would do so, but my english is very little and most of the 
stuff is very difficult to understand, if you do not really 
understand what's going on ;-)

bis dahin

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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[J Bacher]

>The question was answered on this list on July 7, 2002 -- less than one
>week ago. How often should it be answered before saying "Search the list
>archives."?

Providing a specific pointer works just as well as answering the question 
within the body of an email regardless of the age of the reference if the 
answer is the same.

RTFM or STFW is a worthless answer.  Sometimes people aren't asking the 
right question (which they'll find out when they see the answer) or the 
topic is simply not understood.


>The list subscribers complained loud and long to Red Hat to setup a
>searchable list archive so that we could save time on the list by pointing
>people to the archive. For a long time Red Hat's archive was broken and
>the only usable archive was maintained by one of the subscribers. Now that
>the Red Hat archive is working, should we tell RH that it is no longer
>needed because questions should be answered fully each time they are
>asked?

No, that should remain an option to those that prefer to search prior to 
posting questions.


>If the answer to a question is long and has already been well-explained
>elsewhere, I think a pointer to the full answer is a good response.

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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Anthony E. Greene]

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On 13-Aug-2002/16:58 +0200, Martin Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Moin, moin ...
>
>"Teodor Georgiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>
>>1. You should compile your Sendmail with SASL support.
>>
>>It would be better to do it not from RPM, but from .tar.gz.
>>untar the sendmail archive and follow the instructions.
>
>I will try this when I'm home.
>Thankx a lot %-D
>Your are the first person who does not just answer with rtfm and this
>need to be publicized.

In a few days his answer will be in the archives. So when this question is
asked again next week, should he type another message answering the
question, or should he say "Look for ___ in the archives."

The question was answered on this list on July 7, 2002 -- less than one
week ago. How often should it be answered before saying "Search the list
archives."?

When I answer RTFM I generally include the search method I used to find
the answer. My RTFM answers are not intended to be rude, they are intended
to teach.

The list subscribers complained loud and long to Red Hat to setup a
searchable list archive so that we could save time on the list by pointing
people to the archive. For a long time Red Hat's archive was broken and
the only usable archive was maintained by one of the subscribers. Now that
the Red Hat archive is working, should we tell RH that it is no longer
needed because questions should be answered fully each time they are
asked?

The archives exist for a good reason. If someone uses the archives, the
man pages, and other documents, and cannot find the answer or does not
understand the answer, then a question on the list is the correct way to
get an answer. Asking the list before searching the docs and archives just
wastes the time of people who answer questions.

People get tired of taking the time to type out long responses to people
who do not want to use their own time to look for an answer before asking
for help. Then instead of helping out on this list, they will find other
things to do.

If the answer to a question is long and has already been well-explained
elsewhere, I think a pointer to the full answer is a good response.

Tony
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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Anthony E. Greene]

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On 13-Aug-2002/16:28 +0200, Martin Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>using sendmail 8.12.3 on RedHat 7.2 makes some trouble getting
>smtp-auth to run.
>
>RPM says that cyrus-sasl is installed and plain-text and md5 as well.
>But there is no entry in sendmail.cf.
>
>Besides sendmail.org (which is rather difficult for me to
>understand), does anyone here had luck with it in this constellation
>and can tell me what he did step by step?

I found this in the archives, searching for 'auth':

 http://www.redhat.com/mailing-lists/redhat-list/msg64722.html

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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Gerry Doris]

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Hi all,
>
> using sendmail 8.12.3 on RedHat 7.2 makes some trouble getting
> smtp-auth to run.
>
> RPM says that cyrus-sasl is installed and plain-text and md5 as well.
> But there is no entry in sendmail.cf.
>
> Besides sendmail.org (which is rather difficult for me to
> understand), does anyone here had luck with it in this constellation and
> can tell me what he did step by step?
>
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>
> kind regards
>
> Martin Mewes


I suggest you go to the following link and check out the instructions on
implementing auth on RH sendmail.

http://dgtech-solutions.com/sxs/index2.html

Gerry




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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

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Moin, moin ...

"Teodor Georgiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

>1. You should compile your Sendmail with SASL support.
>
>It would be better to do it not from RPM, but from .tar.gz.
>untar the sendmail archive and follow the instructions.

I will try this when I'm home.
Thankx a lot %-D
Your are the first person who does not just answer with rtfm and this
need to be publicized.

Again. Thanky you :-D


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Re: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Teodor Georgiev]

1. You should compile your Sendmail with SASL support.

It would be better to do it not from RPM, but from .tar.gz.
untar the sendmail archive and follow the instructions.

The first is to create the "site.config" m4 template for the compilation.
I used this (and of course it is working):

PPENDDEF(`confENVDEF', `-DSASL2')
APPENDDEF(`conf_sendmail_LIBS', `-lsasl2')
APPENDDEF(`confLIBDIRS', `-L/usr/lib/sasl')
APPENDDEF(`confINCDIRS', `-I/usr/include')

APPENDDEF(`confENVDEF', `-DSASL=20105')
APPENDDEF(`conf_sendmail_ENVDEF', `-DMILTER')

Please note, this is just addition to the main site.Linux.m4
you have to use site.Linux.m4 (unmodified template from the source) and
site.config.m4 (this one above).
Note, the "`-DSASL=20105'"  it says the version of SASL.
Mine was 2.1.5 ;)

in your sendmail.mc template you have to add these lines:

TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl

define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl
define(`confDEF_AUTH_INFO', `/etc/mail/auth/auth-info')dnl

(feel free to add/delete authentication mechanisms).

Please note that for some reason MS Outlook / OE uses the deprecated "LOGIN"
method. Why - I do not know.
But MS Outlook / OE will not work with PLAIN.

this is.

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Mewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: [RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth


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> Hi all,
>
> using sendmail 8.12.3 on RedHat 7.2 makes some trouble getting
> smtp-auth to run.
>
> RPM says that cyrus-sasl is installed and plain-text and md5 as well.
> But there is no entry in sendmail.cf.
>
> Besides sendmail.org (which is rather difficult for me to
> understand), does anyone here had luck with it in this constellation
> and can tell me what he did step by step?
>
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[RedHat 7.2] sendmail + smtp-auth

[Martin Mewes]

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Hi all,

using sendmail 8.12.3 on RedHat 7.2 makes some trouble getting
smtp-auth to run.

RPM says that cyrus-sasl is installed and plain-text and md5 as well.
But there is no entry in sendmail.cf.

Besides sendmail.org (which is rather difficult for me to
understand), does anyone here had luck with it in this constellation
and can tell me what he did step by step?


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kind regards

Martin Mewes

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