Re: Accesing windows software in a networked computer

2001-11-16 Thread Vincent Cojot

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Manuel Camacho wrote:

 Dear Friends:

 At the office, the management is thinking about changing all the network
 from Novell and Windows to Linux. But, we require some software that only
 exists in Windows version, such as AutoCAD and MSProject.

 I know there is VMWare and Win4Lin, but, is it possible to let all the MS
 software and a VMWare or Win4Lin in a server, and let all the Linux
 workstations access the MS software on this server???

 Would a VMWare/Win4Lin required on every client?

If you know what workstations would want to run the software, you could
just have several VMWare licenses on these workstations and have a Samba
server serve the software (autocad and ms project shared installations on
a server are possible, I think...) to the Windows OS'es clients running
under VMWare... Performance-wise, it's the best solution...

If you're loooking at a Terminal Server solution, then you could either
use some of the VMWare GSX/ESX server solutions (if you really want to
have your native server OS under Linux) or you could setup a w2k server
with MetaFrame and then deploy metaframe clients on the Linux clients
(that solution is around 5k US$ for software only, perhaps more).

 As you may guess, the idea is to avoid paying the MS licenses.

That's not gonna happen.. If you run a copy of windows NT/2k/9X/DeadMeat
under VMWare or win4lin, then since it's a copy, you have to pay for the
license.. However, if you mean by this that you don't have to buy two
copies if you have two users which are using the software but only if a
one-after-the-other mode, then it's true you will reduce the number of
licenses (from two to one in this case). Your only way not to have to buy
a license from M$ is to run your apps under WINE.. without any M$ DLL
installed and I don't think that will work for Autocad.. And of course,
you still need the licenses for Project and Autocad.

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Re: Accesing windows software in a networked computer

2001-11-15 Thread Leonard den Ottolander

Hi Manuel,

 I know there is VMWare and Win4Lin, but, is it possible to let all the MS
 software and a VMWare or Win4Lin in a server, and let all the Linux
 workstations access the MS software on this server???

 As you may guess, the idea is to avoid paying the MS licenses.

 That's a no go. I mean the avoidance of licence fees. RTFL.

Bye,

Leonard.




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Re: Accesing windows software in a networked computer

2001-11-15 Thread Keith Morse

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, David Talkington wrote:

 Manuel Camacho wrote:
 
 I know there is VMWare and Win4Lin, but, is it possible to let all the MS
 software and a VMWare or Win4Lin in a server, and let all the Linux
 workstations access the MS software on this server???
 
 The only way I can think of is terminal server, and that's not much
 use to you unless there's a terminal services client for Java or
 Linux.
 
 As you may guess, the idea is to avoid paying the MS licenses.
 
 You're probably not going to achieve that result. Read the licenses,
 with special attention to issues of concurrent usage and client
 access licenses.
 
 I'll be very interested in any solution you come up with, because I've
 faced the same problem.  The solution so far has always been to wean
 my people from the Microsoft apps they think they need.  You can ditch
 Project ... there are other ways to accomplish its goals.  I'm not
 qualified to comment on AutoCAD, though; I don't know the lay of the
 land there.
 

Can't say as this will solve your problem as you will still need
terminal services licenses for the concurrent connections for client
but.


www.rdesktop.org allows a linux desktop to access an NT server running
terminal services to login as a client.  One of the slickest reasons I
like to use it, other than I don't have to install NT on my local linux
box, is using a non-4/3 aspect ratio. Say something like 1024x1152.  Very
nifty tool.



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Accesing windows software in a networked computer

2001-11-14 Thread Manuel Camacho

Dear Friends:

At the office, the management is thinking about changing all the network 
from Novell and Windows to Linux. But, we require some software that only 
exists in Windows version, such as AutoCAD and MSProject. 

I know there is VMWare and Win4Lin, but, is it possible to let all the MS 
software and a VMWare or Win4Lin in a server, and let all the Linux 
workstations access the MS software on this server???

Would a VMWare/Win4Lin required on every client?

As you may guess, the idea is to avoid paying the MS licenses.

TIA,

-Manuel.




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Re: Accesing windows software in a networked computer

2001-11-14 Thread David Talkington

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Manuel Camacho wrote:

I know there is VMWare and Win4Lin, but, is it possible to let all the MS 
software and a VMWare or Win4Lin in a server, and let all the Linux 
workstations access the MS software on this server???

The only way I can think of is terminal server, and that's not much
use to you unless there's a terminal services client for Java or 
Linux.

As you may guess, the idea is to avoid paying the MS licenses.

You're probably not going to achieve that result. Read the licenses, 
with special attention to issues of concurrent usage and client 
access licenses.

I'll be very interested in any solution you come up with, because I've
faced the same problem.  The solution so far has always been to wean
my people from the Microsoft apps they think they need.  You can ditch
Project ... there are other ways to accomplish its goals.  I'm not
qualified to comment on AutoCAD, though; I don't know the lay of the
land there.

- -d


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