RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Ross Cooney

Why don't you write a web based calendar/appointments app to do this, or use
an existing one? To find an existing one you can use google.com

you don't need to use outlook.

Ross

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 This is a little off the topic, but since I can't find anyone else (even
 the Outlook expert at Microsoft) who can answer this question, I came to
 where the real brains are.

 I have a client who is a Talent Agency... 10-15 Agents and over 200
 Clients. These agents need to be able to access calenders for any client
 and make changes. Now I know that Exchange server can manage public
 calenders. What I need to know is:

 Is there a cheaper alternative, that can be done with a Linux
 based server.
 and Windows clients running Outlook?

 Is it easy to back up, Exchange isn't.

 Is it push technology... meaning if one agent makes a change, will
 another agents desktop be updated if they have the same calender open?

 And last but not least: can a complete idiot set it up/make changes.  :)


 Any help/pointers to web pages etc would be greatly appreciated.




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Re: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread David Talkington

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Grant Nygren wrote:

This is a little off the topic, but since I can't find anyone else (even 
the Outlook expert at Microsoft) who can answer this question, I came to 
where the real brains are.

Is there a cheaper alternative, that can be done with a Linux based server. 
and Windows clients running Outlook?

You kill me [*thud*].  Why would you expect the Outlook expert at 
Microsoft to point you to a cheaper Outlook alternative?

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Re: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Emmanuel Seyman

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:25:23AM -0400, Grant Nygren wrote:
 
 Is there a cheaper alternative, that can be done with a Linux based server. 
 and Windows clients running Outlook?

PHPGroupWare was a set of PHP files that allowed this and
lots of other stuff using Mysql. It's been a while since I last
used it so I don't know what they're doing these days.
Why not see if that meets your need?

If it doesn't Calendar applications written in PHP are
a dime a dozen on Freshmeat.

 Is it easy to back up, Exchange isn't.

man mysqldump :-)

 Is it push technology... meaning if one agent makes a change, will 
 another agents desktop be updated if they have the same calender open?

No idea.

 And last but not least: can a complete idiot set it up/make changes.  :)

There is a race between developers making better idiotproof apps
and the Universe making better idiots. The Universe is winning.

 Any help/pointers to web pages etc would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.phpgroupware.org/
http://freshmeat.net/

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Re: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Anthony E. Greene

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Grant Nygren wrote:
I have a client who is a Talent Agency... 10-15 Agents and over 200 
Clients. These agents need to be able to access calenders for any client 
and make changes.

Take a look at PHPGroupware http://www.phpgroupware.org/.

Tony
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RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Carter, Shaun G

I may be wrong but I thought that Ximian's Evolution had a plugin that could
be used to serve and communicate with exchange shared calanders?

Shaun

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On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:25:23AM -0400, Grant Nygren wrote:
 
 Is there a cheaper alternative, that can be done with a Linux based
server. 
 and Windows clients running Outlook?

PHPGroupWare was a set of PHP files that allowed this and
lots of other stuff using Mysql. It's been a while since I last
used it so I don't know what they're doing these days.
Why not see if that meets your need?

If it doesn't Calendar applications written in PHP are
a dime a dozen on Freshmeat.

 Is it easy to back up, Exchange isn't.

man mysqldump :-)

 Is it push technology... meaning if one agent makes a change, will 
 another agents desktop be updated if they have the same calender open?

No idea.

 And last but not least: can a complete idiot set it up/make changes.  :)

There is a race between developers making better idiotproof apps
and the Universe making better idiots. The Universe is winning.

 Any help/pointers to web pages etc would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.phpgroupware.org/
http://freshmeat.net/

Emmanuel



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Re: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Greg Wright



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On 10/04/2002 at 11:25 AM Grant Nygren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[gregausit/redhat-list] wrote:

This is a little off the topic, but since I can't find anyone else (even 
the Outlook expert at Microsoft) who can answer this question, I came to 
where the real brains are.

I have a client who is a Talent Agency... 10-15 Agents and over 200 
Clients. These agents need to be able to access calenders for any client 
and make changes. Now I know that Exchange server can manage public 
calenders. What I need to know is:

Is there a cheaper alternative, that can be done with a Linux based
server. 
and Windows clients running Outlook?

Use a browser, there are lots to choose from. The backend will be the hard
part.


Is it easy to back up, Exchange isn't.

Exchange is not hard, you just have to pay.


Is it push technology... meaning if one agent makes a change, will 
another agents desktop be updated if they have the same calender open?

Set a refresh period in any html that will be displayedIIRC if using
Opera you can set this as an option on the client.



And last but not least: can a complete idiot set it up/make changes.  :)


no.


Any help/pointers to web pages etc would be greatly appreciated.


Look for OCS for a perl based system (obsidian IIRC)
There is a myriad of PHP projects out there, see freshmeat.net  (mysql, PHP
 Apache reqd.)
If they already have exchange look at Ximian for Evolution.
HP also has a solution, not sure of costs.
You will find some other Perl based systems as well, check sites that list
scripts etc

Regards

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RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Anthony E. Greene

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On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Carter, Shaun G wrote:
I may be wrong but I thought that Ximian's Evolution had a plugin that
could be used to serve and communicate with exchange shared calanders?

He's using Outlook clients. He needs a server solution for the calendar and 
he wants to know if there are any alternatives to Exchange Server.

Tony
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Re: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Michael S. Dunsavage

well, is therE?


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 He's using Outlook clients. He needs a server solution for the calendar
and
 he wants to know if there are any alternatives to Exchange Server.

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Re: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread daniel

i already posted this, but no one seemed to notice

you might be looking for ximian connector
www.ximian.com/products/connector/

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 I may be wrong but I thought that Ximian's Evolution had a plugin that
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 He's using Outlook clients. He needs a server solution for the calendar
and
 he wants to know if there are any alternatives to Exchange Server.

 Tony
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Re: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Michael S. Dunsavage

yes, but you need a an Exchange Serverthat defeats the purpose of an
alternative.
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 i already posted this, but no one seemed to notice

 you might be looking for ximian connector
 www.ximian.com/products/connector/

 _
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 mr. ghandi, what do you think of western civilization?
 i think it would be a good idea.
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  I may be wrong but I thought that Ximian's Evolution had a plugin that
  could be used to serve and communicate with exchange shared calanders?
 
  He's using Outlook clients. He needs a server solution for the calendar
 and
  he wants to know if there are any alternatives to Exchange Server.
 
  Tony
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RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Go, Jeffrey

hi guys..

in addition to this thread, and I am sorry if this has been answered already

but is there a linux plugin that can be used as an Outlook client to connect
to an Exchange server?

thanks









Jeff Go








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yes, but you need a an Exchange Serverthat defeats the purpose of an
alternative.
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 i already posted this, but no one seemed to notice

 you might be looking for ximian connector
 www.ximian.com/products/connector/

 _
 daniel a. g. quinn
 starving programmer

 mr. ghandi, what do you think of western civilization?
 i think it would be a good idea.
  - reporter to mahatma ghandi



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  I may be wrong but I thought that Ximian's Evolution had a plugin that
  could be used to serve and communicate with exchange shared calanders?
 
  He's using Outlook clients. He needs a server solution for the calendar
 and
  he wants to know if there are any alternatives to Exchange Server.
 
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RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread tim

On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 11:15, Go, Jeffrey wrote:
 hi guys..
 
 in addition to this thread, and I am sorry if this has been answered already
 
 but is there a linux plugin that can be used as an Outlook client to connect
 to an Exchange server?
 

There are few options here. The best, that I know of, is from
ximian.com. They make a version of gnome and an email client called
evolution. There is something called a connector that is a plugin for
evolution, it costs like 70 bucks, I think and makes evolution talk to
an exchange 2K server.

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RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Furnish, Trever G

Ok, let's not confuse two (or more) issues:

- A linux server for an Outlook client with Exchange's functionality.
- A linux client for an Exchange server with Outlook's functionality.

I believe the original poster was asking about a replacement for Exchange
server servicing Outlook clients, where Ximian Connector doesn't factor in.
In response, I believe the answer is that there is no server software, free
or commercial, which seamlessly provides full Exchange-server
functionality to Outlook clients.  The closest to that is OpenMail, which
used to be an HP product - HP sold it to someone else.

If you can manage expectations a little though, you can dramatically
decrease costs with only a small loss in functionality.  You can do this by
running an IMAP server and using Outlook as an IMAP client - although you
will lose what may be important functionality to you - shared calendaring,
some directory functionality, public folders, some web functionality...
Most of these can be replaced for free (zero $$$, increased administrative
overhead and user training costs) but then won't be integrated directly into
Outlook.

There are quite a few commercial imap server/client software packages - I've
used exactly 0 of them.  UWash used to keep a list of imap servers and
clients, I think - Imap.org still does:

http://www.imap.org/products/

Public folders are really similar to newsgroup access.  LDAP directories
can be pretty tightly integrated with Outlook's address book (openldap,
netscape directory server, MS AD, etc) and with an Exchange org's GAL
(there's a tiny paragraph on it in the O'Reilly Exchange book).

If all you want is email, you certainly don't need Exchange.  If you want
the shared calendaring and public folders from Exchange... see above.

Regarding the second issue, as others have already noted Ximian connector
for Evolution was just released and it lets you have *most* of the
functionality of Outlook+Exchange, provided that you are running and
Exchange2000 server (not 5.5) AND the Exchange web access piece.

HTH.

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hi guys..

in addition to this thread, and I am sorry if this has been answered already

but is there a linux plugin that can be used as an Outlook client to connect
to an Exchange server?

thanks









Jeff Go








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yes, but you need a an Exchange Serverthat defeats the purpose of an
alternative.
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 i already posted this, but no one seemed to notice

 you might be looking for ximian connector
 www.ximian.com/products/connector/

 _
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 mr. ghandi, what do you think of western civilization?
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  he wants to know if there are any alternatives to Exchange Server.
 
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RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Devon Harding - GTHLA
Title: RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of  MS Exchange





I think the solution would be to get OpenMail to go opensource.


-Devon


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He's using Outlook clients. He needs a server solution for the calendar and 
he wants to know if there are any alternatives to Exchange Server.


Tony
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RE: Is there a Linux solution for this? Was Re: Linux version of MS Exchange

2002-04-10 Thread Anthony E. Greene

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On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Devon Harding - GTHLA wrote:
I think the solution would be to get OpenMail to go opensource.

Not likely.

In the first place, there's probably Microsoft code in there somewhere, and 
they are *not* going to release that code as OpenSource.

Second, Samsung paid good money for that code, and they aren't likely to 
see any value in changing the license to OpenSource. If Samsung ever 
decides to abandon the software, then they might be willing to open the 
code. Or they may not.

PGP users are struggling with taht issue right now.

Tony
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