Re: List has died!
Matthew Galgoci wrote: Lemma of system administration: 1 server, 4000 list subscribers. 2 users complain. Odds are the problem is not with the list server. I didn't complain, but the list died for me too. I continued to receive mail from other external sources. Odd. I also find it interesting that I continued to receive all of my email from all other sources, including other lists, but wasn't receiving anything from this one. After the email I received from the list administrator, I assumed that there was a dns issue. I use www.no-ip.com for my dynamic dns for the domain that I purchased. I haven't had the time to dig into it. Ben -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 14:12, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: I also find it interesting that I continued to receive all of my email from all other sources, including other lists, but wasn't receiving anything from this one. After the email I received from the list administrator, I assumed that there was a dns issue. I use www.no-ip.com for my dynamic dns for the domain that I purchased. I haven't had the time to dig into it. Ben The list died for me as well. I have a static IP, open 25 and no routing or NS issues. All other mail was received properly. When the list came back from the coma, it all got delivered at once (giving Postfix a good workout). I have no indication in my logs (router or mail) of any connection attempts during the DNR period. Drop it. We'll never sort it out. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
I've been getting mail from this list since last night and this morning. Not as many as usual though. RDB On Tuesday 29 July 2003 11:41 am, MKlinke wrote: As of yesterday afternoon the list mail has stopped flowing here. List admin, will we need to re-subscribe or are you on a path to fix this? I can see there's list mail today at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-July/date.html and I also note that others have also seen their mail stop flowing. Please advise Regards, Mike Klinke -- Reuben D. Budiardja Department of Physics and Astronomy The University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN - /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML \ / email and proprietary format X attachments. / \ - Have you been used by Microsoft today? Choose your life. Choose freedom. Choose LINUX. - -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: List has died!
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MKlinke Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: List has died! As of yesterday afternoon the list mail has stopped flowing here. List admin, will we need to re-subscribe or are you on a path to fix this? I can see there's list mail today at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-July/date.html and I also note that others have also seen their mail stop flowing. Please advise Regards, Mike Klinke -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
Lemma of system administration: 1 server, 4000 list subscribers. 2 users complain. Odds are the problem is not with the list server. The list is not dead. Your subscription still shows as active (only checked for [EMAIL PROTECTED] though). Mail is being delivered, but not to you. I looked, and from the logs: Jul 29 04:55:16 hormel postfix/smtp[20935]: 2C8B778495: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=none, delay=11630, status=deferred (connect to axsi.com[67.153.21.8]: Connection timed out) [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# grep [EMAIL PROTECTED] /var/log/maillog | grep status=deferred | wc -l 281 I checked from another box offsite that I help admin, and your problems are obviously not unique to Red Hat's netblock: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# host 67.153.21.8 Host 8.21.153.67.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# telnet 67.153.21.8 25 Trying 67.153.21.8... telnet: connect to address 67.153.21.8: Connection refused Please go fix your mail server and dns. I hope you are reading the list archives online ;) Regards, Matthew Galgoci On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, MKlinke wrote: As of yesterday afternoon the list mail has stopped flowing here. List admin, will we need to re-subscribe or are you on a path to fix this? I can see there's list mail today at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-July/date.html and I also note that others have also seen their mail stop flowing. Please advise Regards, Mike Klinke -- Matthew Galgoci Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap System Administrator Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 11:07, Matthew Galgoci wrote: Lemma of system administration: 1 server, 4000 list subscribers. 2 users complain. Odds are the problem is not with the list server. The list is not dead. Your subscription still shows as active (only checked for [EMAIL PROTECTED] though). Mail is being delivered, but not to you. I looked, and from the logs: Jul 29 04:55:16 hormel postfix/smtp[20935]: 2C8B778495: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=none, delay=11630, status=deferred (connect to axsi.com[67.153.21.8]: Connection timed out) [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# grep [EMAIL PROTECTED] /var/log/maillog | grep status=deferred | wc -l 281 I checked from another box offsite that I help admin, and your problems are obviously not unique to Red Hat's netblock: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# host 67.153.21.8 Host 8.21.153.67.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# telnet 67.153.21.8 25 Trying 67.153.21.8... telnet: connect to address 67.153.21.8: Connection refused Please go fix your mail server and dns. I hope you are reading the list archives online ;) Regards, Matthew Galgoci On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, MKlinke wrote: As of yesterday afternoon the list mail has stopped flowing here. List admin, will we need to re-subscribe or are you on a path to fix this? I can see there's list mail today at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-July/date.html and I also note that others have also seen their mail stop flowing. Please advise Regards, Mike Klinke Where on earth did you get 67.153.21.8 as our mail server address, that's a web server? DNS should resolve our mail server to 67.153.21.10 as everyone else's seems to be doing today. You don't find it at least suspicious that at least three of us all of a sudden aren't receiving the email from the list? I'd be interested if anyone else resolves axsi.com mail server at 67.153.21.8 Regards, Mike Klinke -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
It's possible that there has been an update to your MX records that hasn't expired yet and is still cached, or even worse, a change was made to your MX and someone forgot to bump your zone serial numbers. Where on earth did you get 67.153.21.8 as our mail server address, that's a web server? DNS should resolve our mail server to 67.153.21.10 as everyone else's seems to be doing today. You don't find it at least suspicious that at least three of us all of a sudden aren't receiving the email from the list? I'd be interested if anyone else resolves axsi.com mail server at 67.153.21.8 Regards, Mike Klinke -- Matthew Galgoci Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap System Administrator Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 11:52, you wrote: Did someone twiddle with your MX records recently? It's possible that the expiration time has not been reached? I've restarted postfix, maybe that will cause postfix to refresh. The restart seems to have done the trick, I am now receiving the mail. Thanks for your help! Regards, Mike Klinke -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: List has died!
The restart seems to have done the trick, I am now receiving the mail. Thanks for your help! So am I, This is the first email I got from the list since yesterday at 4:13pm. Michael -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 12:12, you wrote: Postfix may have had it cached, but postfix has been restarted many times in the past two months. Surely the last change you made hasn't been two months ago? Jul 29 13:06:51 hormel postfix/smtp[11832]: 2D81C78F08: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mail.futzin.com[64.81.113.223], delay=8664, status=sent (250 2.0.0 h6TH7Qlq026218 Message accepted for delivery) Looks like its delivering nicely now. Matt On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, MKlinke wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2003 11:52, you wrote: Did someone twiddle with your MX records recently? It's possible that the expiration time has not been reached? I've restarted postfix, maybe that will cause postfix to refresh. I'm the keeper of the DNS records an I can say that they haven't been touched in nearly two months. Do you resolve DNS to 67.153.21.8 or 67.153.21.10 from your end via DIG tool of your choice? Regards, Mike Klinke It's been at least that long since 67.153.21.10 mail server has been the axsi.com mail server, probably closer to 5 months when it was made primary according to the MX record. The 64.81.113.223 MX record was added at the end of June, the 30th, and 67.153.21.10 was demoted to secondary mail server on that day. Even if your DNS cache wasn't updated to the new primary, 64.81.113.223, I can't begin to guess how your server ever resolved 67.153.21.8 as axsi.com's mail server. I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to one of those inexplicable glitches unless your seeing this with some of the other posters who have also lost list mail Regards, Mike Klinke -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
I'd be interested if anyone else resolves axsi.com mail server at 67.153.21.8 Regards, Mike Klinke I just did a lookup on axsi.com and got back 67.153.21.8. Gerry -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 12:37, Gerry Doris wrote: I'd be interested if anyone else resolves axsi.com mail server at 67.153.21.8 Regards, Mike Klinke I just did a lookup on axsi.com and got back 67.153.21.8. Gerry Was that authoritive? Regards, Mike Klinke -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
It's been at least that long since 67.153.21.10 mail server has been the axsi.com mail server, probably closer to 5 months when it was made primary according to the MX record. The 64.81.113.223 MX record was added at the end of June, the 30th, and 67.153.21.10 was demoted to secondary mail server on that day. Even if your DNS cache wasn't updated to the new primary, 64.81.113.223, I can't begin to guess how your server ever resolved 67.153.21.8 as axsi.com's mail server. I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to one of those inexplicable glitches unless your seeing this with some of the other posters who have also lost list mail Regards, Mike Klinke I have seen postfix cache before, but not like this :( -- Matthew Galgoci Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap System Administrator Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 12:46, Matthew Galgoci wrote: It's been at least that long since 67.153.21.10 mail server has been the axsi.com mail server, probably closer to 5 months when it was made primary according to the MX record. The 64.81.113.223 MX record was added at the end of June, the 30th, and 67.153.21.10 was demoted to secondary mail server on that day. Even if your DNS cache wasn't updated to the new primary, 64.81.113.223, I can't begin to guess how your server ever resolved 67.153.21.8 as axsi.com's mail server. I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to one of those inexplicable glitches unless your seeing this with some of the other posters who have also lost list mail Regards, Mike Klinke I have seen postfix cache before, but not like this :( Well, offline, another subscriber just sent me a note that he saw starting on the morning of the 23th they started trying to deliver to the a-record host for my list signup, rather than the mx-record host. late yesterday this appears to have been all they were trying to hit. and this appears to be what happened to me too, since a host lookup to axsi.com will show 67.153.21.8 which is the A-record for axsi.com but it is not the MX record! Regards, Mike Klinke -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:30:10 -0500, MKlinke wrote: [...] It would be polite if you moved your Re: List has died! thread into private mail, provided that Matthew still wants to see it. ;) Really, these periodic public complaints about list lag or temporary list delivery problems are an annoyance. Just be patient and demonstrate experience. You've been subscribed to these lists for a long time. Thanks in advance. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Jrbe0iMVcrivHFQRAvXpAJ9HZETLOcWt1m8Z/V/Q5ngUgtE35ACeL4CV 9+Ej4it78ysdxsFyrpVCe24= =fF/Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: rh-l] Re: List has died!
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, MKlinke wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2003 12:37, Gerry Doris wrote: I'd be interested if anyone else resolves axsi.com mail server at 67.153.21.8 I just did a lookup on axsi.com and got back 67.153.21.8. Gerry Was that authoritive? Things do not look good at the nameservers providing 'axsi.com' Two mail servers are returned from dig axsi.com mx They are mail.axsi.com and exchange.axsi.com, with 5 and 10 distances. Each resolves to the .10 in that netblock, implying that at least one is probably a CNAME. This is a misconfiguration if true. Curiously, reverses are not configured, which will cause some mail bouncing on sending. [EMAIL PROTECTED] cache]# host 67.153.21.8 Host 8.21.153.67.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] cache]# host 67.153.21.10 Host 10.21.153.67.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] cache]# -- Russ Herrold -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
Ok, so now I'll admit that there is something fishy going on with postfix delivering to A records instead of MX records. I'll keep looking and let folks know when I find something. In the mean time, if anyone else notices postifix delivering to their domain A record instead of the proper MX, please let me know offline so I can get some kind of correlation. Regards, Matthew Galgoci On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, MKlinke wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2003 12:46, Matthew Galgoci wrote: It's been at least that long since 67.153.21.10 mail server has been the axsi.com mail server, probably closer to 5 months when it was made primary according to the MX record. The 64.81.113.223 MX record was added at the end of June, the 30th, and 67.153.21.10 was demoted to secondary mail server on that day. Even if your DNS cache wasn't updated to the new primary, 64.81.113.223, I can't begin to guess how your server ever resolved 67.153.21.8 as axsi.com's mail server. I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to one of those inexplicable glitches unless your seeing this with some of the other posters who have also lost list mail Regards, Mike Klinke I have seen postfix cache before, but not like this :( Well, offline, another subscriber just sent me a note that he saw starting on the morning of the 23th they started trying to deliver to the a-record host for my list signup, rather than the mx-record host. late yesterday this appears to have been all they were trying to hit. and this appears to be what happened to me too, since a host lookup to axsi.com will show 67.153.21.8 which is the A-record for axsi.com but it is not the MX record! Regards, Mike Klinke -- Matthew Galgoci Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap System Administrator Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 13:03, Michael Schwendt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:30:10 -0500, MKlinke wrote: [...] It would be polite if you moved your Re: List has died! thread into private mail, provided that Matthew still wants to see it. ;) Really, these periodic public complaints about list lag or temporary list delivery problems are an annoyance. Just be patient and demonstrate experience. You've been subscribed to these lists for a long time. Thanks in advance. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Jrbe0iMVcrivHFQRAvXpAJ9HZETLOcWt1m8Z/V/Q5ngUgtE35ACeL4CV 9+Ej4it78ysdxsFyrpVCe24= =fF/Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- While I appreciate your sentiment, it seems to be doing some good by letting these go to the list. It would seem at this point that the list server has some issues and the discussion is generating private email as well as public that can help to determine the problem. If the list admin feel this is no longer beneficial to have it in the public forum and has enough info to tackle the problem I'll be happy to let it die. Regards, Mike Klinke -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
While I appreciate your sentiment, it seems to be doing some good by letting these go to the list. _Exactly!_ -- Matthew Galgoci Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap System Administrator Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 12:37, Gerry Doris wrote: I'd be interested if anyone else resolves axsi.com mail server at 67.153.21.8 Regards, Mike Klinke I just did a lookup on axsi.com and got back 67.153.21.8. Gerry Was that authoritive? Regards, Mike Klinke Not now. I didn't notice the first time I tried it. Reverse doesn't work at all for 67.153.21.8. I'm at work and have no access to named so I can't flush the cache. Gerry -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
Matthew Galgoci wrote: Lemma of system administration: 1 server, 4000 list subscribers. 2 users complain. Odds are the problem is not with the list server. I didn't complain, but the list died for me too. I continued to receive mail from other external sources. Odd. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:07:33 -0500, MKlinke wrote: While I appreciate your sentiment, it seems to be doing some good by letting these go to the list. It would seem at this point that the list server has some issues and the discussion is generating private email as well as public that can help to determine the problem. If the list admin feel this is no longer beneficial to have it in the public forum and has enough info to tackle the problem I'll be happy to let it die. My message referred to lame complaints and/or test messages from impatient subscribers and NOT to actual investigation. As soon as the participants in this thread look into locating any problem (in particular at Red Hat's side), the thread makes sense and should continue. Obviously... - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Jrwy0iMVcrivHFQRAj0mAJ0Zk+j4bkUJCJciqAKJcMCopyyFagCfWbfA nIYdqzBeqUNRQFdzGbBDI5o= =GiTW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, MKlinke wrote: Mike, On Tuesday 29 July 2003 13:03, Michael Schwendt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While I appreciate your sentiment, it seems to be doing some good by letting these go to the list. It would seem at this point that the list server has some issues and the discussion is generating private email as well as public that can help to determine the problem. If the list admin feel this is no longer beneficial to have it in the public forum and has enough info to tackle the problem I'll be happy to let it die. Regards, Mike Klinke If you check your domain at dnsreport.com it shows that the reverse lookup for 67.153.21.10 is not working. This would cause the problem you are describing. Does your upstream provider handle reverse lookups? Hope this helps. John McKinney -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 14:35, John McKinney wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, MKlinke wrote: Mike, On Tuesday 29 July 2003 13:03, Michael Schwendt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While I appreciate your sentiment, it seems to be doing some good by letting these go to the list. It would seem at this point that the list server has some issues and the discussion is generating private email as well as public that can help to determine the problem. If the list admin feel this is no longer beneficial to have it in the public forum and has enough info to tackle the problem I'll be happy to let it die. Regards, Mike Klinke If you check your domain at dnsreport.com it shows that the reverse lookup for 67.153.21.10 is not working. This would cause the problem you are describing. Does your upstream provider handle reverse lookups? Hope this helps. John McKinney Heh, my ISP periodically has reverse lookup issues but that won't create the problem we are having. There are too many of us that had exactly the same thing happen at the same time with regard to the list email and in each case that I have access to, the list e-mail server was trying to send mail to the A-record identified boxen rather than the MX record identified boxen. The simple fact that I am receiving mail from the list after the postfix was restarted, and as you pointed out, still won't reverse resolve, should indicate that the reverse lookup won't impact this problem. Thanks for looking! Mike Klinke -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: List has died!
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 03:10:04PM -0500, MKlinke wrote: Heh, my ISP periodically has reverse lookup issues but that won't create the problem we are having. There are too many of us that had exactly the same thing happen at the same time with regard to the list email and in each case that I have access to, the list e-mail server was trying to send mail to the A-record identified boxen rather than the MX record identified boxen. FWIW, I got no Redhat mail for most of yesterday either. My mail is forwarded through pobox. Of course maybe they had this A record problem, but I don't have their logs to see :( -- Hal Burgiss -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
