Re: Mail is not working (any way to send message when daemon is down)

[Dali Islam]

Anthony,

I did not have a .bash_login for the root user. So,
added that and add the line "service sendmail status".

When I sshe to box and login as root, it doesn't show
me the status.

I thought it needed to refresh the environment, so I
added ". /etc/profile" on the first line. Noop didn't
work!

Thanks
Dali
--- "Anthony E. Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 09-Oct-2003/13:32 -0700, Dali Islam
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >the sendmail was corrupted after reloading the
> daemon
> >it was fixed.
> >
> >Anyway, anyone knows how to send/relay a message
> only
> >on the root login session when a service/daemon is
> >down. Like in this case my sendmail was down. or is
> >there a way that when root login, then it will see
> the
> >message.
> 
> If root logs in at a console, add this to
> /root/.bash_login:
> 
>   service sendmail status
> 
> That will tell you the status every time root logs
> in. If you only want to
> know if sendmail is not running, then use this:
> 
>   if ! service sendmail status > /dev/null; then
> echo sendmail is not running
>   fi
> 
> You can deliver an email message to the local root
> account using procmail
> (this is untested):
> 
> 
> # Build the message in a temp file
> tmpfile=/tmp/$0.$$
> echo 'From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' > $tmpfile
> echo 'To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' >> $tmpfile
> echo -n 'Date: ' >> $tmpfile
> date --rfc-822 >> $tmpfile
> echo 'Subject: sendmail not running' >> $tmpfile
> echo '' >> $tmpfile
> service sendmail status >> $tmpfile
> 
> # Deliver the message and delete the temp file.
> cat $tmpfile | procmail -d root
> rm $tmpfile
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mail is not working (any way to send message when daemon is down)

[Anthony E. Greene]

On 09-Oct-2003/13:32 -0700, Dali Islam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>the sendmail was corrupted after reloading the daemon
>it was fixed.
>
>Anyway, anyone knows how to send/relay a message only
>on the root login session when a service/daemon is
>down. Like in this case my sendmail was down. or is
>there a way that when root login, then it will see the
>message.

If root logs in at a console, add this to /root/.bash_login:

  service sendmail status

That will tell you the status every time root logs in. If you only want to
know if sendmail is not running, then use this:

  if ! service sendmail status > /dev/null; then
echo sendmail is not running
  fi

You can deliver an email message to the local root account using procmail
(this is untested):


# Build the message in a temp file
tmpfile=/tmp/$0.$$
echo 'From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' > $tmpfile
echo 'To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' >> $tmpfile
echo -n 'Date: ' >> $tmpfile
date --rfc-822 >> $tmpfile
echo 'Subject: sendmail not running' >> $tmpfile
echo '' >> $tmpfile
service sendmail status >> $tmpfile

# Deliver the message and delete the temp file.
cat $tmpfile | procmail -d root
rm $tmpfile




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Re: Mail is not working (any way to send message when daemon is down)

[Hal Burgiss]

On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 03:18:05PM -0700, Chris W. Parker wrote:
> 
> p.s. someone correct me if i am wrong!! thanks!


# Do a mail header, then add body.

( printf "\
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] `date`\n\
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n\
To: Master of the Domain and all that Lies Herein\n\
Subject: Init Status Report\n\
Date: `date`\n\
From: `basename [EMAIL PROTECTED] -s`\n\
Message-Id: <`date '+%s'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n\n\n\
  Status Report\n\n"

cat_or_some_other_cmd_goes_here_to_flesh_out_the_bod ) \
 |procmail -d $mailto_dude   # < delivery is here, bypassing smtp

Crude paste from one of my scripts, with minor mods that might need
some testing first, but works as I use it all the time to bypass spam
checks from stmpd.

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RE: Mail is not working (any way to send message when daemon is down)

[Chris W. Parker]

Mark Cohen 
on Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:17 PM said:

> Actually, You are wrong.. You can send mail w/o the sendmail
> daemon running.

[snip]

thanks for setting me straight.


chris.

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RE: Mail is not working (any way to send message when daemon is down)

[Kenneth Goodwin]

Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Cohen
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:17 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Mail is not working (any way to send message
when daemon is down)




Actually,
You are wrong.. You can send mail w/o the sendmail daemon
running.
Your mail client calls sendmail to deliver the mail, it
doesn't need to connect to a daemon..
You run the daemon to accept incoming mail. ie. Keep the
smtp port open to accept mail.
Depending on the client ofcourse..
Mutt for instance isn't a mta, its just a client that calls
sendmail
Pine has its own mta in it.
As for smtp, there are a number of light smtp programs out
there, just search for them.
-Mark

===
HTML FOrmat deleted - please dont post in HTML
==

Then pine or a MUA with a configurable interface to a
lightweight SMTP MTA  is what he should use,
the problem here is why is sendmail crashing in the first
place.
It is always possible that if he uses a  MUA that calls
sendmail for outbound and there is something
wrong with his setup
then he may also fail to send mail if the MUA side of
sendmail also has the same
problem and crashes as well.

hence, he should use something other than sendmail as a MTA
and have it connect
to a sendmail hub/relay daemon on a different server.


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RE: Mail is not working (any way to send message when daemon is down)

[Kenneth Goodwin]

>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris
W. Parker
>  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:18 PM
>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Subject: RE: Mail is not working (any way to send message

>  when daemon is
>  down)
>  
>  
>  Dali Islam <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  on Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:33 PM said:
>  
>  > Anyway, anyone knows how to send/relay a message only
>  > on the root login session when a service/daemon is
>  > down. Like in this case my sendmail was down.
>  
>  Can a car be driven if the motor isn't on? Can you make
Pepsi without
>  the ingredients?
>  
>  You may be able to send mail with something OTHER than 
>  sendmail, but I
>  don't know how. And to answer your question directly, no
you 
>  cannot send
>  mail via sendmail if the sendmail daemon is not running.
>  
>  
>  chris.
>  
>  p.s. someone correct me if i am wrong!! thanks!


It would take a Mail user Agent with a built in SMTP
interface (perhaps one of the SMTP enabled PERL modules)
and then you point it at a sendmail server on another
machine.
The client does not have to point at a LOCAL sendmail server
to send mail,
you just need a client that can be configured to  SMTP
off-host. 

Just need a MUA where you configure the ip address of the
SMTP server, like MS mail/Outlook. 
<>

RE: Mail is not working (any way to send message when daemon is down)

[Chris W. Parker]

Dali Islam 
on Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:33 PM said:

> Anyway, anyone knows how to send/relay a message only
> on the root login session when a service/daemon is
> down. Like in this case my sendmail was down.

Can a car be driven if the motor isn't on? Can you make Pepsi without
the ingredients?

You may be able to send mail with something OTHER than sendmail, but I
don't know how. And to answer your question directly, no you cannot send
mail via sendmail if the sendmail daemon is not running.


chris.

p.s. someone correct me if i am wrong!! thanks!


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Re: Mail is not working (any way to send message when daemon is down)

[Dali Islam]

the sendmail was corrupted after reloading the daemon
it was fixed.

Anyway, anyone knows how to send/relay a message only
on the root login session when a service/daemon is
down. Like in this case my sendmail was down. or is
there a way that when root login, then it will see the
message.

Any help will be aprrecite!



--- Joe Polk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did you check to see if your smtp daemon is running?
> 
> ps -ef | grep sendmail
> 
> <>
> 
> -- Original Message ---
> From: Dali Islam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: redhat list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Mail is not working
> 
> > I have crontab setup to send e-mail automatically!
> > Since last two days it's not working. I tried to
> send
> > e-mail using mutt and mail command they did not
> work
> > either. I looked at the /var/log/messages and no
> error
> > message.
> > 
> > What can go wrong, please advise!
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