Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-29 Thread Benjamin J. Weiss
> I want to be able to setup a Linux server without a keyboard, mouse or
> monitor and control it remotely from another Linux computer on the
> network or through the internet.
>
> If I remember correctly, RH Linux has included this technology for
> several versions.
>
> Am I dreaming or where do I need to look to learn how?

I've written a very short howto on this.  It assumes that you've installed
something called "tight-vnc" on your system (http://www.tightvnc.org) on
your system.  Once you have tight-vnc installed, it is easy to tunnel it
over ssh so that you have a secure virtual session on your home linux box.

You can find the howto at:

http://www.benjamin.weiss.name/putty-tunnel.html

Ben


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RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Buck
Thanks,

I would want the keyboard, mouse and monitor all to be on the remote
computer.  I guess I forgot to include that little detail.  

I'll have more specific questions in a few days after I set it up to
use.  I may have enough parts to make up a second computer for Linux.  

Buck

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>
>keep in mind once you do this input and output devices are served by
the remote machine.  I don't know of a way to have
>the output (display) be on one machine and the keyboard and mouse on
the local one.

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> Buck
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RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Bret Hughes
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 18:49, Buck wrote:
> 
> I am curious to know Is there a way I can run the GUI on my local
> machine pointed to the remote machine?
> 

Absolutely.  X must be running on the remote machine and the X
authentication must allow you machine to use the display on the remote
machine.

on remote machine run xhost +ipofyourmachine

on your machine run export DISPLAY=ipofremotemachine:0

onyour machine run app (eg xclock )

keep in mind once you do this input and output devices are served by the
remote machine.  I don't know of a way to have the output (display) be
on one machine and the keyboard and mouse on the local one.

Bret




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Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Ian Mortimer
 
> I am curious to know Is there a way I can run the GUI on my local
> machine pointed to the remote machine?

For individual GUI applications just turn on X11 forwarding and
X11 traffic will be tunneled through the ssh pipe.

If you want the full desktop you could use vnc tunneled through ssh.

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RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Buck

I am curious to know Is there a way I can run the GUI on my local
machine pointed to the remote machine?

Thanks
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RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Buck
A Wonderful answer.  Thank you very much.  It is on the list.

Buck

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 05:30:41PM -0400, Buck wrote:
> I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs. Is 
> that what I want to study?

Yes.  Turn on the sshd service, ssh is great.  It stands for "secure
shell", in its most common use, where one might have typed "telnet
someserver.com" to do a text login, the smarter thing would be to type
"ssh someserver.com" and do an encrypted login.  At that point you have
a text prompt and can do all those text-based things, and not even worry
about someone listening in on your wireless connection.

But ssh gets better.  Once you are logged in over an ssh connection you
can do X Windows graphical stuff where you run the program on the remote
machine but the windows and buttons and all appear on the machine you
are sitting at.  (This can be slow over a slow
connection.)

And you can tunnel anything over an excrypted ssh link.

You can consider that ssh includes sftp (secure ftp) and scp (secure
copy).  rsync is a great way to copy multiple files from one machine to
another, and it can do all its work over an ssh connection.  For
unattended operations ssh can authenticate with a key file instead of
requiring a typed password.

If you really need to see the base screen and operate upon icons on the
desktop, use the Redhat menu, etc., you can use VNC (Virtual Network
Computing), do a man page on vncviewer and vncserver--but you want to
run your VNC session over an ssh tunnel.

So yes, go learn a lot of stuff (learning is fun) and make sure ssh is
on the list.


-kb

P.S.  ssh is a more complex protocol than telnet and so uses more more
complicated software.  This means it is more likely than simpler
software to have bugs, and some of those bugs will be security bugs.
Keep your software--including ssh--up to date.  ssh has had some
security recently, you want them.  Lots of smart, paranoid, and careful
use ssh and depend upon it for security, but they keep it up to date.
Keep it up to date.  Give it more time and I think they will stop
finding bugs, but not yet.


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RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Buck
Thanks,

I am a total newbie to Linux.  Last night I just setup and configured my
first successful file server.  Its my first Linux install that allows me
to do more than just surf the web. 

Command line instructions are probably all I need but I am curious if
Gnome will operate thru SSH.  While I find the graphical interface more
pleasant than CLI, I have used and am not opposed to using the command
line.

I have two ideas for this in mind.  One is to setup my server on a shelf
under my desk out of the way and my Linux learning computer can go on
the shelf above the desk with a monitor.  My other idea is to setup a
server at an office and be able to monitor, update, reconfigure, or
backup the system from over the internet.  I wouldn't mind being able to
setup the users too, but since I don't have that same access to the
workstations I would have to be present anyway, might as well get paid
for it.

Thanks again,
Buck



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On Sunday 28 September 2003 05:30 pm, Buck wrote:
> I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs.  Is 
> that what I want to study?

If you're running linux now and familiar with linux, by SSH-ing to the
server, 
you will have all the comand-line control of the server from wherver
you're 
now. If you're familiar with telnet, then SSH is a secure version of
telnet.

Provided the ssh server (sshd) is setup on the server, all you need to
do 
(from console):

$> ssh remoteserver.domain.com -l username
and then enter your password.

If ssh server is not setup on your remote server, then go look and the
redhat 
manual / customization guide on how to set up SSH server. All the RPM
needed 
is included in the distribution (openssh*), and if you're should be
installed 
by default. 

If you don't know what SSH or Telnet is, probably you should look into
reading 
for basic linux administration book. It is one of the most basic thing
you 
need to know.

RDB

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>
> huh?
> ever heard of SSH?
>
> RDB

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Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Bret Hughes
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 16:55, Reuben D. Budiardja wrote:
> On Sunday 28 September 2003 05:30 pm, Buck wrote:
> > I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs.  Is
> > that what I want to study?
> 
> If you're running linux now and familiar with linux, by SSH-ing to the server, 
> you will have all the comand-line control of the server from wherver you're 
> now. If you're familiar with telnet, then SSH is a secure version of telnet.
> 
> Provided the ssh server (sshd) is setup on the server, all you need to do 
> (from console):
> 
> $> ssh remoteserver.domain.com -l username
> and then enter your password.
> 
> If ssh server is not setup on your remote server, then go look and the redhat 
> manual / customization guide on how to set up SSH server. All the RPM needed 
> is included in the distribution (openssh*), and if you're should be installed 
> by default. 
> 
> If you don't know what SSH or Telnet is, probably you should look into reading 
> for basic linux administration book. It is one of the most basic thing you 
> need to know.

in addition to text only access, if you want, you can run gui apps on
the remote box and use the display you are sitting at.  Again ssh sets
all the X session forwarding up for you by default.

ssh is without a doubt one of the essential programs on any *nix box in
my opinion. The concept of remote access and administration is an
inherent part of *nixes that I forget is is a novelty to folks coming
from other OSes.

Once you get ssh working login to your headless box from another linux
box via xterm.  type xclock and if all the X stuff is installed, marvel
at the display of the clock that shows the time on the remote box.  This
is VERY cool stuff and once you get used to it you will be pissed when
you use anything else.


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Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Kent Borg
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 05:30:41PM -0400, Buck wrote:
> I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs.
> Is that what I want to study?

Yes.  Turn on the sshd service, ssh is great.  It stands for "secure
shell", in its most common use, where one might have typed "telnet
someserver.com" to do a text login, the smarter thing would be to type
"ssh someserver.com" and do an encrypted login.  At that point you
have a text prompt and can do all those text-based things, and not
even worry about someone listening in on your wireless connection.

But ssh gets better.  Once you are logged in over an ssh connection
you can do X Windows graphical stuff where you run the program on the
remote machine but the windows and buttons and all appear on the
machine you are sitting at.  (This can be slow over a slow
connection.)

And you can tunnel anything over an excrypted ssh link.

You can consider that ssh includes sftp (secure ftp) and scp (secure
copy).  rsync is a great way to copy multiple files from one machine
to another, and it can do all its work over an ssh connection.  For
unattended operations ssh can authenticate with a key file instead of
requiring a typed password.

If you really need to see the base screen and operate upon icons on
the desktop, use the Redhat menu, etc., you can use VNC (Virtual
Network Computing), do a man page on vncviewer and vncserver--but you
want to run your VNC session over an ssh tunnel.

So yes, go learn a lot of stuff (learning is fun) and make sure ssh is
on the list.


-kb

P.S.  ssh is a more complex protocol than telnet and so uses more more
complicated software.  This means it is more likely than simpler
software to have bugs, and some of those bugs will be security bugs.
Keep your software--including ssh--up to date.  ssh has had some
security recently, you want them.  Lots of smart, paranoid, and
careful use ssh and depend upon it for security, but they keep it up
to date.  Keep it up to date.  Give it more time and I think they will
stop finding bugs, but not yet.


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Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Reuben D. Budiardja
On Sunday 28 September 2003 05:30 pm, Buck wrote:
> I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs.  Is
> that what I want to study?

If you're running linux now and familiar with linux, by SSH-ing to the server, 
you will have all the comand-line control of the server from wherver you're 
now. If you're familiar with telnet, then SSH is a secure version of telnet.

Provided the ssh server (sshd) is setup on the server, all you need to do 
(from console):

$> ssh remoteserver.domain.com -l username
and then enter your password.

If ssh server is not setup on your remote server, then go look and the redhat 
manual / customization guide on how to set up SSH server. All the RPM needed 
is included in the distribution (openssh*), and if you're should be installed 
by default. 

If you don't know what SSH or Telnet is, probably you should look into reading 
for basic linux administration book. It is one of the most basic thing you 
need to know.

RDB

>
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> Subject: Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse
>
> huh?
> ever heard of SSH?
>
> RDB

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RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Buck
I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs.  Is
that what I want to study?

Thanks
Buck

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huh? 
ever heard of SSH?

RDB

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Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse

2003-09-28 Thread Reuben D. Budiardja
On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:47 pm, Buck wrote:
> I want to be able to setup a Linux server without a keyboard, mouse or
> monitor and control it remotely from another Linux computer on the
> network or through the internet.
>
> If I remember correctly, RH Linux has included this technology for
> several versions.

huh? 
ever heard of SSH?

RDB

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