Re: Nice Job, Lester....
I 'spect that if you plotted out the runs allowed and runs scored, the former would be falling from the start of the year while the latter would be rising. So the trends are positive, and you can't just look at the overall numbers. Dan D Central NJ USA From: Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 10:46:08 PM Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
RE: Nice Job, Lester....
This conversation is why wagering was invented... Ray's 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over-partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Eh-hem. Any thoughts from the rebuilding crew? One game at a time From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue May 25 19:01:43 2010 Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I thought they sent down Darnell McDonald. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com http://www.fpgasimulation.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
RE: Nice Job, Lester....
Why would I buy a bunch of pessimists dinner? I'll have dinner with all the optimists and it'll be while we watch the Sox in the play-offs after the regular season. From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Marino Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:10 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Nice Job, Lester This conversation is why wagering was invented... Ray's 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over-partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Eh-hem. Any thoughts from the rebuilding crew? One game at a time From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue May 25 19:01:43 2010 Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I thought they sent down Darnell McDonald. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com http://www.fpgasimulation.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
RE: Nice Job, Lester....
Oh yeah, well I want them to win 105 From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented... Ray's 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over-partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Eh-hem. Any thoughts from the rebuilding crew? One game at a time From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue May 25 19:01:43 2010 Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I thought they sent down Darnell McDonald. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com http://www.fpgasimulation.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from
Re: Nice Job, Lester....
100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.comwrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Eh-hem. Any thoughts from the rebuilding crew? One game at a time -- *From*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *To*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Sent*: Tue May 25 19:01:43 2010 *Subject*: Re: Nice Job, Lester I thought they sent down Darnell McDonald. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Nice Job, Lester....
Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.comwrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Eh-hem. Any thoughts from the rebuilding crew? One game at a time -- *From*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *To*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Sent*: Tue May 25 19:01:43 2010 *Subject*: Re: Nice Job, Lester I thought they sent down Darnell McDonald. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: Nice Job, Lester....
Why are the realists pessimists? You look at the talent available and project 95-96 wins. I project five or six games fewer wins. The difference is small enough to make this argument ridiculous. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.comwrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Eh-hem. Any thoughts from the rebuilding crew? One game at a time -- *From*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *To*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Sent*: Tue May 25 19:01:43 2010 *Subject*: Re: Nice Job, Lester I thought they sent down Darnell McDonald. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
RE: Nice Job, Lester....
Not the number of wins, but the talk of it being a rebuilding year and such only a couple weeks ago. That's the only issue I have. Just an attitude. But you and Ray always go to numbers. I feel. You think. Different styles. From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:54 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester Why are the realists pessimists? You look at the talent available and project 95-96 wins. I project five or six games fewer wins. The difference is small enough to make this argument ridiculous. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented... Ray's 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over-partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Eh-hem. Any thoughts from the rebuilding crew? One game at a time From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue May 25 19:01:43 2010 Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I thought they sent down Darnell McDonald. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
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I like numbers. Numbers are good. Don't dis the numbers. It's all in how you interpret the numbers. Thinking is in fact a good thing. I disagree with labeling one's own opinions as realism, that's all :-) It makes me nervous being in the same camp with John, BTW ... Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.comwrote: Not the number of wins, but the talk of it being a rebuilding year and such only a couple weeks ago. That’s the only issue I have. Just an attitude. But you and Ray always go to numbers. I “feel”. You “think”. Different styles. -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:54 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester Why are the realists pessimists? You look at the talent available and project 95-96 wins. I project five or six games fewer wins. The difference is small enough to make this argument ridiculous. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Eh-hem. Any thoughts from the rebuilding crew? One game at a time -- *From*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com
RE: Nice Job, Lester....
I don't mind camping alone as long as I'm well-armed. From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:01 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I like numbers. Numbers are good. Don't dis the numbers. It's all in how you interpret the numbers. Thinking is in fact a good thing. I disagree with labeling one's own opinions as realism, that's all :-) It makes me nervous being in the same camp with John, BTW ... Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Not the number of wins, but the talk of it being a rebuilding year and such only a couple weeks ago. That's the only issue I have. Just an attitude. But you and Ray always go to numbers. I feel. You think. Different styles. From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:54 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester Why are the realists pessimists? You look at the talent available and project 95-96 wins. I project five or six games fewer wins. The difference is small enough to make this argument ridiculous. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented... Ray's 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over-partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there.
Re: Nice Job, Lester....
I go by the numbers? Hah. I can barely comprehend my own phone number. Steve O is much more numbery than I. As for labels, John started it. 8p On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.comwrote: I like numbers. Numbers are good. Don't dis the numbers. It's all in how you interpret the numbers. Thinking is in fact a good thing. I disagree with labeling one's own opinions as realism, that's all :-) It makes me nervous being in the same camp with John, BTW ... Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Not the number of wins, but the talk of it being a rebuilding year and such only a couple weeks ago. That’s the only issue I have. Just an attitude. But you and Ray always go to numbers. I “feel”. You “think”. Different styles. -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:54 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester Why are the realists pessimists? You look at the talent available and project 95-96 wins. I project five or six games fewer wins. The difference is small enough to make this argument ridiculous. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May
Re: Nice Job, Lester....
Come on, I told you I was only on John's side by mistake ... On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: I go by the numbers? Hah. I can barely comprehend my own phone number. Steve O is much more numbery than I. As for labels, John started it. 8p On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: I like numbers. Numbers are good. Don't dis the numbers. It's all in how you interpret the numbers. Thinking is in fact a good thing. I disagree with labeling one's own opinions as realism, that's all :-) It makes me nervous being in the same camp with John, BTW ... Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Not the number of wins, but the talk of it being a rebuilding year and such only a couple weeks ago. That’s the only issue I have. Just an attitude. But you and Ray always go to numbers. I “feel”. You “think”. Different styles. -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:54 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester Why are the realists pessimists? You look at the talent available and project 95-96 wins. I project five or six games fewer wins. The difference is small enough to make this argument ridiculous. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue,
Re: Zimmer
He's a cartoon character and only a sidekick at best. Does the painted cat that Pepe LePieux falls for belong in the WB Hall of Fame? From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed May 26 11:58:13 2010 Subject: Zimmer I hold no ill will toward the man, and wish him well in life. But is he really deserving of a spot in the Red Sox Hall of Fame? Refusing to start Bill Lee? Overseeing the worst collapse in team history? Charging at Pedro? http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/05/thirty_years_after_a_turbulent.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
Re: Nice Job, Lester....
I don't think you are factoring in a rebound. As Tom said, we're currently on pace for 89.5 wins. Your rebound would mean they're only 1.5 games better over the remaining 70 percent of the season than they are right now. Most of us, I think, would agree that the Sox pitching and defense should be better this year -- No Penny and Smoltz, Lackey added in, Buchholz more mature, Dice-K able to contribute. Is that fair? Currently, that better pitching is on pace to give up 796 runs, which would have been fourth-worst in the AL last year. If the pitching is better than last year, it's reasonable to expect the Sox to allow fewer than last year's 736 runs -- yes? That means there is still a big correction coming. I'm looking forward to it. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it. There is all this talk about a rebound that will happen when the pitching turns around. But I think that rebound is being overestimated. For us to reach 91 will take a rebound, so I've factored that into account. I think part if it is that I consider a 95-win season to be a significantly more difficult task than a 91-win season. It's not linear in my mind, and that's how I derive my estimate. Ray On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.comwrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: Almost on pace for 91. Not quite yet. But getting there. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John
Re: Zimmer
This has nothing to do with Carlton Fisk. No excuse for Zimmer to be in. He was a reasonably good third base coach, and screwed everything else up, then assaulted our Hall of Fame pitcher and somehow garnered sympathy for it. I can't even fathom the logic behind this. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: This is what comes of retiring Fisk's number. On 5/26/10, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: I hold no ill will toward the man, and wish him well in life. But is he really deserving of a spot in the Red Sox Hall of Fame? Refusing to start Bill Lee? Overseeing the worst collapse in team history? Charging at Pedro? http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/05/thirty_years_after_a_turbulent.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
Re: Zimmer
It's so nice to see us all get along. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.comwrote: This has nothing to do with Carlton Fisk. No excuse for Zimmer to be in. He was a reasonably good third base coach, and screwed everything else up, then assaulted our Hall of Fame pitcher and somehow garnered sympathy for it. I can't even fathom the logic behind this. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: This is what comes of retiring Fisk's number. On 5/26/10, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: I hold no ill will toward the man, and wish him well in life. But is he really deserving of a spot in the Red Sox Hall of Fame? Refusing to start Bill Lee? Overseeing the worst collapse in team history? Charging at Pedro? http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/05/thirty_years_after_a_turbulent.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
Re: Zimmer
And our expected win total if they swapped Zimmer in for Francona On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: It's so nice to see us all get along. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.comwrote: This has nothing to do with Carlton Fisk. No excuse for Zimmer to be in. He was a reasonably good third base coach, and screwed everything else up, then assaulted our Hall of Fame pitcher and somehow garnered sympathy for it. I can't even fathom the logic behind this. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: This is what comes of retiring Fisk's number. On 5/26/10, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: I hold no ill will toward the man, and wish him well in life. But is he really deserving of a spot in the Red Sox Hall of Fame? Refusing to start Bill Lee? Overseeing the worst collapse in team history? Charging at Pedro? http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/05/thirty_years_after_a_turbulent.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
Re: Nice Job, Lester....
I'm starting to like the idea of the 91 game over/under fun-bet. It will make things interesting in September. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think you are factoring in a rebound. As Tom said, we're currently on pace for 89.5 wins. Your rebound would mean they're only 1.5 games better over the remaining 70 percent of the season than they are right now. Most of us, I think, would agree that the Sox pitching and defense should be better this year -- No Penny and Smoltz, Lackey added in, Buchholz more mature, Dice-K able to contribute. Is that fair? Currently, that better pitching is on pace to give up 796 runs, which would have been fourth-worst in the AL last year. If the pitching is better than last year, it's reasonable to expect the Sox to allow fewer than last year's 736 runs -- yes? That means there is still a big correction coming. I'm looking forward to it. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it. There is all this talk about a rebound that will happen when the pitching turns around. But I think that rebound is being overestimated. For us to reach 91 will take a rebound, so I've factored that into account. I think part if it is that I consider a 95-win season to be a significantly more difficult task than a 91-win season. It's not linear in my mind, and that's how I derive my estimate. Ray On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.comwrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the playoffs, whatever that means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe I'm a realist. If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong
Re: Zimmer
Um, the words Steve Lyons and slippery slope probably shouldn't be placed in the same sentence... From: Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 3:56:03 PM Subject: RE: Zimmer I agree with Ray [gag]. There is a correlation to Fisk. It’s the lowering of the bar over and over until barely good makes it among the excellent. From:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:53 PM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Zimmer A slippy slope from Carlton Fisk, through Zimmer, to a retired number for Steve Lyons. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: This has nothing to do with Carlton Fisk. No excuse for Zimmer to be in. He was a reasonably good third base coach, and screwed everything else up, then assaulted our Hall of Fame pitcher and somehow garnered sympathy for it. I can't even fathom the logic behind this. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: This is what comes of retiring Fisk's number. On 5/26/10, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: I hold no ill will toward the man, and wish him well in life. But is he really deserving of a spot in the Red Sox Hall of Fame? Refusing to start Bill Lee? Overseeing the worst collapse in team history? Charging at Pedro? http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/05/thirty_years_after_a_turbulent.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
Re: ooops
I was thinking about retired numbers today in a different matter. I number 24 came up in the context of a famous Red Sox player, and I realized that the average person would guess Manny. Of course, I meant Evans. I wish they had retired his number so it didn't get sullied. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.comwrote: No, I would rather do that argument than the Zimmer argument. The Zimmer argument is boring. No way should he go. Done. We’re all Sox fans and we’ll all agree. So, what’s the point? But I remember that Fisk’s numbers were good enough for the HofF. -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:11 PM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: ooops I assume you mean I'd rather not do... On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: I now remember looking at Fisks numbers and changing my position with regard to Fisk. Ray had me going on this before and I agreed until I looked at the numbers. I’m going with my stance of Fisk deserving to have his number retired and now I see no correlation to Zimmer. I’d rather do the Fisk number retirement issue again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
Re: Nice Job, Lester....
How about you have to give me your first-round playoff tickets? Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm starting to like the idea of the 91 game over/under fun-bet. It will make things interesting in September. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think you are factoring in a rebound. As Tom said, we're currently on pace for 89.5 wins. Your rebound would mean they're only 1.5 games better over the remaining 70 percent of the season than they are right now. Most of us, I think, would agree that the Sox pitching and defense should be better this year -- No Penny and Smoltz, Lackey added in, Buchholz more mature, Dice-K able to contribute. Is that fair? Currently, that better pitching is on pace to give up 796 runs, which would have been fourth-worst in the AL last year. If the pitching is better than last year, it's reasonable to expect the Sox to allow fewer than last year's 736 runs -- yes? That means there is still a big correction coming. I'm looking forward to it. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it. There is all this talk about a rebound that will happen when the pitching turns around. But I think that rebound is being overestimated. For us to reach 91 will take a rebound, so I've factored that into account. I think part if it is that I consider a 95-win season to be a significantly more difficult task than a 91-win season. It's not linear in my mind, and that's how I derive my estimate. Ray On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette ouellette1...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. Steve O On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi rdsal...@gmail.comwrote: 100%, baby! Oh, wait. Too late. Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.comwrote: You're right, Bill. But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like them to win 100. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino wmar...@altitudecp.com wrote: This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of June, but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, take the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs buy the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return to their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you believe Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. And has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore is awfully disingenuous. You could also have worded it have scored the fifth most runs in baseball or have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful Rays or Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball. They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball for a full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last year they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win team at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is that so difficult a task? Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was with people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably false. My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two weeks of day-to-day zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... STEVE On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, one game at a time. Let me write that one down. Got anything about giving 110%? With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the league) and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. But I concede it will compete for the
Re: ooops
Note to self Can't talk about Zimmer. Too boring. Can't suggest that the Red Sox aren't as good as John thinks lest be labeled a pessimist. Anything else John? These are all very helpful. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.comwrote: No, I would rather do that argument than the Zimmer argument. The Zimmer argument is boring. No way should he go. Done. We’re all Sox fans and we’ll all agree. So, what’s the point? But I remember that Fisk’s numbers were good enough for the HofF. -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:11 PM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: ooops I assume you mean I'd rather not do... On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: I now remember looking at Fisks numbers and changing my position with regard to Fisk. Ray had me going on this before and I agreed until I looked at the numbers. I’m going with my stance of Fisk deserving to have his number retired and now I see no correlation to Zimmer. I’d rather do the Fisk number retirement issue again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
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Don't get on I95 in traffic for 10 miles behind a multi-car accident at 99F if your A/C is broken and then read msgs from Tom From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed May 26 14:19:39 2010 Subject: Re: ooops Note to self Can't talk about Zimmer. Too boring. Can't suggest that the Red Sox aren't as good as John thinks lest be labeled a pessimist. Anything else John? These are all very helpful. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: No, I would rather do that argument than the Zimmer argument. The Zimmer argument is boring. No way should he go. Done. We’re all Sox fans and we’ll all agree. So, what’s the point? But I remember that Fisk’s numbers were good enough for the HofF. From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:11 PM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ooops I assume you mean I'd rather not do... On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: I now remember looking at Fisks numbers and changing my position with regard to Fisk. Ray had me going on this before and I agreed until I looked at the numbers. I’m going with my stance of Fisk deserving to have his number retired and now I see no correlation to Zimmer. I’d rather do the Fisk number retirement issue again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com http://www.fpgasimulation.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
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That one seems obvious, but thanks. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.comwrote: Don't get on I95 in traffic for 10 miles behind a multi-car accident at 99F if your A/C is broken and then read msgs from Tom -- *From*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *To*: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Sent*: Wed May 26 14:19:39 2010 *Subject*: Re: ooops Note to self Can't talk about Zimmer. Too boring. Can't suggest that the Red Sox aren't as good as John thinks lest be labeled a pessimist. Anything else John? These are all very helpful. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.comwrote: No, I would rather do that argument than the Zimmer argument. The Zimmer argument is boring. No way should he go. Done. We’re all Sox fans and we’ll all agree. So, what’s the point? But I remember that Fisk’s numbers were good enough for the HofF. -- *From:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:11 PM *To:* redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: ooops I assume you mean I'd rather not do... On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: I now remember looking at Fisks numbers and changing my position with regard to Fisk. Ray had me going on this before and I agreed until I looked at the numbers. I’m going with my stance of Fisk deserving to have his number retired and now I see no correlation to Zimmer. I’d rather do the Fisk number retirement issue again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comredsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
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Sweep baby! Sent from Larry's mobile device On May 26, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: That one seems obvious, but thanks. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Don't get on I95 in traffic for 10 miles behind a multi-car accident at 99F if your A/C is broken and then read msgs from Tom From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed May 26 14:19:39 2010 Subject: Re: ooops Note to self Can't talk about Zimmer. Too boring. Can't suggest that the Red Sox aren't as good as John thinks lest be labeled a pessimist. Anything else John? These are all very helpful. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: No, I would rather do that argument than the Zimmer argument. The Zimmer argument is boring. No way should he go. Done. We’re all Sox fans and we’ll all agree. So, what’s the point? But I remember that Fisk’s numbers were good enough for the HofF. From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto:redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:11 PM To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ooops I assume you mean I'd rather not do... On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Beaudoin, John john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: I now remember looking at Fisks numbers and changing my position with regard to Fisk. Ray had me going on this before and I agreed until I looked at the numbers. I’m going with my stance of Fisk deserving to have his number retired and now I see no correlation to Zimmer. I’d rather do the Fisk number retirement issue again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
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Larry, a sweep is not possible because the numbers show that Tampa is currently a better team. From: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Cc: redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed May 26 19:41:44 2010 Subject: Re: ooops Sweep baby! Sent from Larry's mobile device On May 26, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Tom Salemi tomsal...@gmail.com wrote: That one seems obvious, but thanks. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Beaudoin, John mailto:john_beaud...@mentor.com john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: Don't get on I95 in traffic for 10 miles behind a multi-car accident at 99F if your A/C is broken and then read msgs from Tom From: mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com To: mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed May 26 14:19:39 2010 Subject: Re: ooops Note to self Can't talk about Zimmer. Too boring. Can't suggest that the Red Sox aren't as good as John thinks lest be labeled a pessimist. Anything else John? These are all very helpful. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Beaudoin, John mailto:john_beaud...@mentor.com john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: No, I would rather do that argument than the Zimmer argument. The Zimmer argument is boring. No way should he go. Done. We’re all Sox fans and we’ll all agree. So, what’s the point? But I remember that Fisk’s numbers were good enough for the HofF. From: mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com [mailto: mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:11 PM To: mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ooops I assume you mean I'd rather not do... On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Beaudoin, John mailto:john_beaud...@mentor.com john_beaud...@mentor.com wrote: I now remember looking at Fisks numbers and changing my position with regard to Fisk. Ray had me going on this before and I agreed until I looked at the numbers. I’m going with my stance of Fisk deserving to have his number retired and now I see no correlation to Zimmer. I’d rather do the Fisk number retirement issue again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- Author of FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide http://www.fpgasimulation.com/ www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Red Sox Citizens group. To post to this group, send email to mailto:redsoxcitizens@googlegroups.com redsoxcitiz...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to mailto:redsoxcitizens%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com redsoxcitizens+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. --
