ReiserFS Funding
Got 1390 msgs in this group waiting to get read, and I'll go through some eventually. Hans, I was wondering if you had approached or been approached by Google re funding, as they may be interested in Reiser for some of their massive storage requirements.
Re: WinFS beta out
A souped up version that makes data accessable to all applications designed to take advantage of it. Which, if you think about it, is what MS has been saying they're intending to do for ages. As for space usage, I'm sure it won't use more than Google Desktop Search does, indexing every bit of everything. Speed? The SQL engine seems to be about as fast as google desktop search, so pretty fast. Unfortunately, as indicated before, they seem to have based the bit storage mechanism on NTFS, so slow writes, massive fragmentation, breakable jounaling. - Original Message - From: michael chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LiFe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Christian Iversen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; reiserfs-list@namesys.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:45 PM Subject: Re: WinFS beta out On 8/31/05, LiFe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly WinFS will revamp permissions drastically. Any query can be joined with any other query of like data. The queries are designed to return the data almost immediately, so it works fast. Queries can be much more complex. This sounds like it's basically a souped-up version of Window's Indexing service... and it sounds like it could take a heck of a lot of room. -- ~Mike - Just my two cents - No man is an island, and no man is unable.
Re: WinFS beta out
Interestingly WinFS will revamp permissions drastically. Any query can be joined with any other query of like data. ie, you can do a calandar query for people who you've had meetings with in the last 30 days. Save the query. Then do a permissions query of all permissions for a set of directories or files for people you've had meetings with in the last 30 days. Then change them all in a few clicks. The queries are designed to return the data almost immediately, so it works fast. Queries can be much more complex. - Original Message - From: Christian Iversen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: reiserfs-list@namesys.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: Re: WinFS beta out On Wednesday 31 August 2005 00:10, Lexington Luthor wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: One think to remember when comparing different file systems is not just speed but functionality. Windows has a far better permission system than Linux does. ACLs bring Linux closer to Windows when it cones to fine grained permissions, but when you turn ACLs on with reiser 3 it slows down to 1/10 of normal speed and Reiser 4 ACLs just doesn't work. With ACLs as part of the mix ReiserFS would get its butt kicked. Welcome to the real world. NTFS ACLs also have a number of problems. I have worked with NT systems for many years and I would happily guve up that functionality for some of the flexibility of a Linux based infrastructure. Sadly, at work, I am stuck with Windows :( I can agree to this. Even with the bare essentials (groups and users only, no ACLs), Unix permissions have one huge gain over NT ACLs: clarity. - When you do ls -l, you have complete and immediate view of all nodes in that directory. This is many times harder to do on windows. - When you want to figure out if a given user can access a certain file, you can do so from the one line in the ls output. On windows you can't do this, barring an add-on program, unless you click your way into a deep gui, and this is hard to do for multiple nodes. - When you are securing a system, you can easily tell if a user can access a certain file. For instance, if /foo is drwx-- foo bar, then you know that all files under /foo is only available to the one user, foo. On windows, if user only foo can access \foo, that's _not_ a guarantee that other users can't access files deeper in the directory tree. If they are given permission to access \foo\bar, they _can_, no matter the permissions on \bar. Logical? - Even though administrators are supposed to be root, they are hindered by ACLs, even though they can always change them. This means, that for an admin to get file X owned by user U, he has to either - Log in as U - Replace the file permissions onX both of which are not easy to do. Yes there are 3rdparty programs such as su.exe that will help tremendously in this, and yes you can just add administrators with full control to all files, but it's still bad design IMHO. Who ordered the fresh rants? -- Regards, Christian Iversen
Re: WinFS beta out
Watch the video demos from Ch9. Very geeky, dorky and slow. From 10 minutes of skipping, they're basically saying they're building a relational database on NTFS. They're not actually rebuilding NTFS, from the ground up. So the sum total of the project will be a radically different system wide service (rich database filing), which will probably be supported by many applications in hereto unthought of ways. What Hans has built is a new way of storing bits that increases speed, reliability and flexability in the use of those bits in hereto unthought of ways. What'd be great? WinFS on Reiser4. What we're gonna get? Windows Vista with a slowwer than ever file system, based on 20yo technology, and uses a ton of RAM, but where data is self organising in many fascinating ways. And *nix with a revolutionary fast and different file system, where every application is going to make different and incompatible use of the files as directories in order to emulate WinFS-like features. http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=106356#106356 Dear god I love Firefox snapback tabs. Who invents this stuff? They should be PAID! - Original Message - From: Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jake Maciejewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Reiserfs List reiserfs-list@namesys.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: WinFS beta out Jake Maciejewski wrote: Yeah, if SQL on NTFS counts as a revolutionary filesystem. I wonder what Namesys could do with MS's resources. Just a few million would be enough to do a lot ;-) On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 00:36 -0400, Gregory Maxwell wrote: http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/08/29/2241243.shtml?tid=109tid=218 Looks like MSFT will be beating Linux to the nextgen FS punch after all. ;)
Re: Testimonials page
Could you close this thread already??? Get back on topic??? Like arguing how files as directories breaks a program written in 1879 by H G Wells, and that it's too political to fix the line of code (which, incidently, says 'Hello World') and we just _can't_ (and I can't stress it enough) merge ReiserFS because this is a _crucial_ application used to measure the tensile strength of Peni (and yes, roaming in groups they're Meece). Oh, if you're 15 years or younger, don't read the last sentence. LiFers. P.S. Seeing as I'm only halfway through reading reiser4 plugins I may be a little out of date. But I'm telling you, it aint broke, and I can't see any use for being in date, so I'm not going to update, and no I WILL NOT MERGE! Anyway, there is no use for being up to date so what's the point? I mean I can't see any use, so obviously it is completely and utterly useless from all points of view. P.P.S Sarcasm is just one more free service I offer. P.P.P.S Bitching is the other. P.P.P.P.S Incidently, if you feed the 'Hello World' program human blood, it unlocks an artificial intelligence that takes over the world through computers. - Original Message - From: Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: reiserfs-list@namesys.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Testimonials page Kris Van Bruwaene wrote: There actually is an International Standard on this (ISO-31-0), have a look at: http://www.answers.com/topic/iso-31 which states: * Numbers consisting of long sequences of digits can be made more readable by separating them into groups, preferably groups of three, separated by a small space. ISO 31-0 specifies that such groups of digits should never be separated by a comma or point, as these are reserved for use as the decimal sign. * ISO 31-0 specifies that the decimal sign is the comma on the baseline, but recognizes that in English documents a dot on the line is also commonly used. The french have long controlled the ISO standards process. In this case, it is probably a good standard though. Spaces work for my mind
