gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
Hello everybody, Since Google recently changed their logo, Jimmac has created new icons to match it: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754142 I would like to use these new icons in 3.18. Thanks, Debarshi pgpdvxt99eCYq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
On 14 September 2015 at 14:19, Debarshi Ray wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Since Google recently changed their logo, Jimmac has created new icons > to match it: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754142 > > I would like to use these new icons in 3.18. Not an issue from the documentation side, but have you checked that you're complying with all of Google's requirements? > Thanks, > Debarshi > ___ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list > ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
(Sending to bo...@gnome.org, since this slowly moving away from a usual freeze break request.) On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:21:40PM +0100, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: > On 14 September 2015 at 14:19, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > > Since Google recently changed their logo, Jimmac has created new icons > > to match it: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754142 > > > > I would like to use these new icons in 3.18. > > Not an issue from the documentation side, but have you checked that > you're complying with all of Google's requirements? Jimmac created the icon, so maybe he took care to comply with the requirements? I don't know. Once upon a time the GNOME Foundation board (through Karen and the SFLC) used to help with things like this, but recently I have had a hard time evoking any response on matters like these. So, I have given up. Anyway, I looked at the Google Brand Permissions [1]. It looks very restrictive on the surface and I am not sure what to make of it. eg., it says [2]: Q: "Google is sponsoring my event. Do I need permission to use the logo?" A: We typically do not approve the use of our logo for events we sponsor. If you're working with us on an event, please work with your Google contact to obtain permission for an exception to this policy. Given that I am used to seeing a big Google banner at GUADECs, I wonder if we have some arrangement regarding this. Maybe the only way forward is to file a formal request [3] and find out? I would be glad if the board could help out with this. Thanks, Rishi [1] http://www.google.cz/permissions/ [2] http://www.google.cz/permissions/faq.html [3] https://services.google.com/fb/forms/permissionsbranden/ pgpkQWqbbgwIx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:21:40PM +0100, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: > > > > Not an issue from the documentation side, but have you checked that > > you're complying with all of Google's requirements? > > Jimmac created the icon, so maybe he took care to comply with the > requirements? I don't know. > Did the requirements significantly change compared to the old icon? How did we solve this same issue back then? Thanks, Cosimo ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
(Dropping gnome-doc-list, because this is getting off-topic.) On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:01:13AM -0700, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:21:40PM +0100, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: > > > > > > Not an issue from the documentation side, but have you checked that > > > you're complying with all of Google's requirements? > > > > Jimmac created the icon, so maybe he took care to comply with the > > requirements? I don't know. > > > > Did the requirements significantly change compared to the old icon? > How did we solve this same issue back then? As far as I am aware, we never did any legal review of the icons. Maybe there are some established practices here that I am not aware of? /me looks at jimmac What we did do in the past was go through the terms of use of each service provider before adding them to GNOME. This is what David Zeuthen told me when he handed it over to me in early 2012. By then Google was already there, and he was waiting for the legal review of Facebook and Windows Live. Subsequently, I would contact Karen before merging any new provider, and she would sometimes review it herself or ask someone from SFLC to help. Of late, it has been hard to evoke much response from the board on these matters (presumably they were overburdened with other stuff). I wrote this from memory, so I apologize if I am misrepresenting any facts. If you want more details, I have to dig them up from my inbox. Cheers, Rishi pgpNAZTzpPo2g.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
Hey Debarshi, On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:01:13AM -0700, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: > > Did the requirements significantly change compared to the old icon? > > How did we solve this same issue back then? > > As far as I am aware, we never did any legal review of the > icons. Maybe there are some established practices here that I am not > aware of? /me looks at jimmac > > What we did do in the past was go through the terms of use of each > service provider before adding them to GNOME. This is what David > Zeuthen told me when he handed it over to me in early 2012. By then > Google was already there, and he was waiting for the legal review of > Facebook and Windows Live. Subsequently, I would contact Karen before > merging any new provider, and she would sometimes review it herself or > ask someone from SFLC to help. > Keeping in mind that I'm not a lawyer and that I'm expressing my own personal opinion, given this information I would just go ahead and update the icon, as our position with regards to Google would not change as a consequence of the update. Of late, it has been hard to evoke much response from the board on > these matters (presumably they were overburdened with other stuff). As an aside, if you still have unresolved issues that require the attention of the board, feel free to poke us! :-) Cosimo ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
On 15 September 2015 at 14:33, Debarshi Ray wrote: > (Sending to bo...@gnome.org, since this slowly moving away from a > usual freeze break request.) > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:21:40PM +0100, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: >> On 14 September 2015 at 14:19, Debarshi Ray wrote: >> > Hello everybody, >> > >> > Since Google recently changed their logo, Jimmac has created new icons >> > to match it: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754142 >> > >> > I would like to use these new icons in 3.18. >> >> Not an issue from the documentation side, but have you checked that >> you're complying with all of Google's requirements? > > Jimmac created the icon, so maybe he took care to comply with the > requirements? I don't know. Jimmac, did you? > Once upon a time the GNOME Foundation board (through Karen and the > SFLC) used to help with things like this, but recently I have had a > hard time evoking any response on matters like these. So, I have given > up. The board cannot answer if there is no ask. > Anyway, I looked at the Google Brand Permissions [1]. It looks very > restrictive on the surface and I am not sure what to make of it. eg., it > says [2]: > Q: "Google is sponsoring my event. Do I need permission to use the logo?" > A: We typically do not approve the use of our logo for events we sponsor. If > you're working with us on an event, please work with your Google contact to > obtain permission for an exception to this policy. Reading the guidelines, it looks like it's ok to use the trademark because we're representing Google and are not modifying the logo. (This is only something that Jacub can confirm, of course.) As far as I can see, we do not even come close to any of their "don't"s. > Given that I am used to seeing a big Google banner at GUADECs, I > wonder if we have some arrangement regarding this. Maybe the only way > forward is to file a formal request [3] and find out? I would be glad if > the board could help out with this. This is a completely different case as they pay for a service (i.e. having their logo displayed) and it is quite explicit that they are buying this. > Thanks, > Rishi > > [1] http://www.google.cz/permissions/ > [2] http://www.google.cz/permissions/faq.html > [3] https://services.google.com/fb/forms/permissionsbranden/ ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Ekaterina Gerasimova < kittykat3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jimmac created the icon, so maybe he took care to comply with the > > requirements? I don't know. > > Jimmac, did you? No. GOA was missing a size of the Google logo. GOA having already shipped the old version of the logo, I only updated it to the current one, without investigating any legal implications. I'll be happy to recreate the old version of the logo, if that is the desired course of action. -- Jakub Steiner http://jimmac.musichall.cz ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
Hey Cosimo, On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 06:46:11PM -0700, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: >> What we did do in the past was go through the terms of use of each >> service provider before adding them to GNOME. This is what David >> Zeuthen told me when he handed it over to me in early 2012. By then >> Google was already there, and he was waiting for the legal review of >> Facebook and Windows Live. Subsequently, I would contact Karen before >> merging any new provider, and she would sometimes review it herself or >> ask someone from SFLC to help. > > Keeping in mind that I'm not a lawyer and that I'm expressing my own > personal opinion, given this information I would just go ahead and update > the icon, as our position with regards to Google would not change as a > consequence of the update. Right. I already pushed the new icon to master (after creating a gnome-3-18 branch). I will now cherry-pick it to other relevant branches. Thanks, Rishi pgpBpNRNbYJIi.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:06:25AM +0100, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: > On 15 September 2015 at 14:33, Debarshi Ray wrote: >> Anyway, I looked at the Google Brand Permissions [1]. It looks very >> restrictive on the surface and I am not sure what to make of it. eg., it >> says [2]: >> Q: "Google is sponsoring my event. Do I need permission to use the logo?" >> A: We typically do not approve the use of our logo for events we sponsor. If >> you're working with us on an event, please work with your Google contact to >> obtain permission for an exception to this policy. > > Reading the guidelines, it looks like it's ok to use the trademark > because we're representing Google and are not modifying the logo. > (This is only something that Jacub can confirm, of course.) As far as > I can see, we do not even come close to any of their "don't"s. Ok, I will take you word for it. :) >> Given that I am used to seeing a big Google banner at GUADECs, I >> wonder if we have some arrangement regarding this. Maybe the only way >> forward is to file a formal request [3] and find out? I would be glad if >> the board could help out with this. > > This is a completely different case as they pay for a service (i.e. > having their logo displayed) and it is quite explicit that they are > buying this. Ok. My understanding of the phrase "Google is sponsoring my event" matched with "Google is sponsoring GUADEC", but I'll trust you. I am not a lawyer, and I am way more incompetent than your usual layman when it comes to reading legal documents. Thanks for your time, Rishi pgptkJ6GjkpOe.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
On 17 September 2015 at 12:19, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:06:25AM +0100, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: >> On 15 September 2015 at 14:33, Debarshi Ray wrote: >>> Anyway, I looked at the Google Brand Permissions [1]. It looks very >>> restrictive on the surface and I am not sure what to make of it. eg., it >>> says [2]: >>> Q: "Google is sponsoring my event. Do I need permission to use the logo?" >>> A: We typically do not approve the use of our logo for events we sponsor. If >>> you're working with us on an event, please work with your Google contact to >>> obtain permission for an exception to this policy. >> >> Reading the guidelines, it looks like it's ok to use the trademark >> because we're representing Google and are not modifying the logo. >> (This is only something that Jacub can confirm, of course.) As far as >> I can see, we do not even come close to any of their "don't"s. > > Ok, I will take you word for it. :) > >>> Given that I am used to seeing a big Google banner at GUADECs, I >>> wonder if we have some arrangement regarding this. Maybe the only way >>> forward is to file a formal request [3] and find out? I would be glad if >>> the board could help out with this. >> >> This is a completely different case as they pay for a service (i.e. >> having their logo displayed) and it is quite explicit that they are >> buying this. > > Ok. My understanding of the phrase "Google is sponsoring my event" > matched with "Google is sponsoring GUADEC", but I'll trust you. > > I am not a lawyer, and I am way more incompetent than your usual > layman when it comes to reading legal documents. What we get from them is essentially explicit permission. We can actually seek this for the logo use for this case too, there's a link at the bottom of the page… but I think we'd be more successful if we were to attempt to seek explicit permission via one of the open source people at Google. > Thanks for your time, > Rishi ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
Hey Debarshi, On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > Keeping in mind that I'm not a lawyer and that I'm expressing my own > > personal opinion, given this information I would just go ahead and update > > the icon, as our position with regards to Google would not change as a > > consequence of the update. > > Right. I already pushed the new icon to master (after creating a > gnome-3-18 branch). I will now cherry-pick it to other relevant > branches. > It has been brought to my attention that my message might have come across as an approval of our usage of the logo. To clear any possible misunderstanding, I want to reiterate that I was expressing my personal opinion (and not the board's), and that I was exclusively referring to the update of our existing icons to the new logo. Ekaterina's point about making sure our usage is complying with Google's trademark requirements still stands independently of which version of the logo we use, and I agree it would be a good idea to seek an explicit permission. Thanks, Cosimo ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
Hey, > Ekaterina's point about making sure our usage is complying with Google's > trademark requirements still stands independently of which version of the > logo we use, and I agree it would be a good idea to seek an explicit > permission. So, is the GNOME Foundation board willing to pursue this further? Cheers, Rishi pgpp9FhsTtQSv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
Re: gnome-online-accounts: Permission to update the Google icon
On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: > So, is the GNOME Foundation board willing to pursue this further? Is there any reason you would like the board to be handling that communication? I think that as the GOA maintainer it would be appropriate for you to reach out. (Keeping in mind that of course the board is available to help if needed!) Thanks, Cosimo ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.
