Re: [RFC] Draft Roadmap for KDE 4.0

2007-03-05 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Dissabte 03 Març 2007, Tom Albers va escriure:
 Hi all,

I'm astonished, no comments for now, that can only mean that everyone agrees 
with you or that noone as a clue.

 Sebas pointed out that we need to setup a roadmap to the KDE4 release. As I
 think setting deadlines will actual help to reach goals, I've taken the
 time to setup a draft roadmap to KDE4.

 I've no experience in release schedules nor do I know the state of kdelibs
 or any other kde4 module, but I feel a draft document makes discussing
 things much easier. So here comes a draft schedule, lets work on the points
 and dates and publish it after that on the current Techbase page.


 kdelibs soft api freeze + alpha1 release  - 2 April
 This is the the point where kdelibs api is frozen. That means that the
 classes and interfaces are not allowed to change anymore. That means the
 end of the famous bic Mondays.

That's one month from now only, i'm not a libs developer, but it seems to few 
for me, true is that you leave the door open for changes, so maybe it's just 
me :-)


 If for one reason you feel the api should change, you need to post a
 kdelibs api exception request to kde-core-devel with the reason and the
 code. If there are no objections after a week, you can commit the changes,
 but all the kde main modules must compile and work as expected.

 kdelibs is also i18n frozen, exceptions can be asked on kde-i18n
 mailinglist. The release will not include translations.


 feature freeze- 2 may
 After this date the kde main modules are frozen for new features. No new
 features are allowed, the focus is from now on on stabilizing the
 applications and fix all bugs. This is also the date that all the
 maintainers of the main kde modules need to indicate if they will follow
 this schedule or will divert and will not be released together with kde
 4.0.

So have we really decided we want to go on with KDE 4.0 not beign a FULL 
release, that is, maybe not shipping kdepim? For me that'd be a loss, but 
maybe it's the best we can do, get 4.0 as fast as possible to start regaining 
steam.

Albert



 message freeze- 2 June
 After this date the main modules are frozen for new messages. Exceptions
 can be asked on kde-i18n mailinglist.


 beta cycle starts - 2 Juli
 From this date on every month a beta version will be published, this will
 be repeated until most grave bugs are resolved. Translations are included
 from the second beta. kdelibs api is now frozen.


 release candidate cycle starts, total release freeze. - 2 September
 A RC will be released. If there is no grave bug in that release, kde 4.0
 will be released, else new release candidates will be released every month.
 When the first release candidate there is a total release freeze active.
 This means that you can fix serious bug reports but nothing else.

 Before the first release candidate there will be a made of lists of
 languages which will be included in the KDE 4.0 release. This is based on
 the rules as usual.


 KDE 4.0   - 2 October


 Toma


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Re: [RFC] Draft Roadmap for KDE 4.0

2007-03-05 Thread Tom Albers
Op ma 5 mar 2007 20:46 schreef u:
 On Saturday 03 March 2007 23:54, Tom Albers wrote:
  feature freeze  - 2 may
  After this date the kde main modules are frozen for new features. No new
  features are allowed, the focus is from now on on stabilizing the
  applications and fix all bugs. This is also the date that all the
  maintainers of the main kde modules need to indicate if they will follow
  this schedule or will divert and will not be released together with kde
  4.0.
 The feature freeze date is totally unrealistic for KDevelop. I can't speak
 for other applications, but I guess they'll have troubles too.
 
 That's actually fine. We can delay KDevelop release till KDE 4.1.
 
 Still, I have two suggestions. 
 First, why don't we delay any freezes until Akademy ends?
 And second, I think this plan will make us rush into 4.0 release.
 Is that really necessary?

can you provide realistic dates?

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Re: [RFC] Draft Roadmap for KDE 4.0

2007-03-05 Thread Cyrille Berger
 That's actually fine. We can delay KDevelop release till KDE 4.1.
can't kdevelop 4.0 be released after 4.0 and before 4.1 ? I mean that what 
will happen for koffice, and maybe other modules (ie kdepim) ? On the other 
hand the dates feel like a rush to me.
-- 
Cyrille Berger
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