Re: Release dates/nomenclature

2007-09-03 Thread Adriaan de Groot
On Saturday 01 September 2007 23:29, Allen Winter wrote:
 On Saturday 01 September 2007 11:45:07 am Thomas Zander wrote:
  On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:30:34 Matt Rogers wrote:
   That's no different than what we have now. The problem is that people
   seem to be too interested in fixing Krazy issues rather than fixing
   actual bugs. How do you propose we get them interested in fixing real
   bugs?
 
  Stop running the not-so-interresting krazy tests? ;)

 We can pull the plug on the EBN entirely.

That's like turning off compiler warnings because you don't want people to fix 
them either. It's possible, but I'd rather try to rely on the discipline of 
our developers to fix what is needed. The EBN has always been a reporter 
of the last mile of little fixes; I don't think we've ever suggested that 
issues reported by the EBN are related to functionality, real bugs (defects 
encountered at runtime) or releaseability.

The use of the words pull the plug garners a fuck it all, i'll reuse the 
domain for a LOLcats parody response from me. 

 I don't think that will help get bugs fixed, but at least
 it will reduce the number unneeded re-compiles.

 I had no idea Krazy/EBN was doing such so harm to the project.
 That was not the intention.

Communicate that to your developers. Give them priorities. Impress upon them 
the importance not of polishing th internals of the code until they shine, 
but on fixing the big ugly warts on the outside. There's a Sirius Cybernetics 
Corporation segue here, and I'm going to skip it. 

[ade]
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Re: Release dates/nomenclature -- Revised proposal

2007-09-03 Thread Sebastian Kügler
I've seen no reaction to this email, but I think the current schedule (release 
20 dec) is broken (Dirk is on vacation, it's too close to christmas for PR).

Can I at least get a shut up, you're irrelevant answer, maybe something more 
promising?

On Saturday 01 September 2007 15:57:57 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 On Saturday 01 September 2007 12:28:31 Kevin Ottens wrote:
   So let's aim for a release on my mother's birthday, 13th December.
 
  I vote for 6th December, it's my father birthday.

 That would be the tagging date then :-)

 How about this, then. It's mainly what Dirk and Allen proposed.

 Thursday, 6 September: Release Beta2 (already tagged)

 September 24, 2007: Tagging Beta3 (This is a Monday, does that make sense?)
 October 2 2007: Release Beta3

 October 22, 2007: Tagging Beta4 (Again, a Monday)
 October 30 2007: Release Beta4 (Beta4 is only 2 weeks long)

 November 5, 2007: Total Release Freeze (a Monday)

 November 13 2007: Tagging Release Candidate 1 (move closer to the freeze?)
 November 20 2007: Release Release Candidate 1

 November 21 2007: Tagging Release Candidate 2 (to close to -rc1?)
 November 27 2007: Release Release Candidate 2

 December 6  2007: Tagging final Release
 December 13 2007: Targeted Release Date


 * We should probably move the tagging and release for the following betas
   closer to each other, maybe tagging on Fridays, releasing on Tuesdays? Is
   that doable for testing and packaging?

 * Should we move tagging away from Monday? Or when will we suspend the BIC
   Monday?
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Re: Release dates/nomenclature -- Revised proposal

2007-09-03 Thread Cornelius Schumacher
On Tuesday 04 September 2007 00:51, Allen Winter wrote:

 Also, I like Dirk's idea of a libs release in late October.

I like this idea as well.

 The libs release should include kdesupport, kdelibs, and kdepimlibs

Shouldn't it also include kdebase/runtime, so that it provides everything what 
is needed for third-party apps development?

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