Re: KDE Dev Platform Status
Am Sonntag 25 November 2007 schrieb Albert Astals Cid: A Diumenge 25 Novembre 2007, Allen Winter va escriure: Howdy, Are we willing to permit BIC changes to the Dev Platform? The question you need to make yourself is: Did we release the 4.0.0 for the Dev Platform?, techbase says yes, so the answer to that question is no BIC changes until 5.0.0 Obviously you can ignore that we said to have released 4.0.0 for the Dev Platform and call it that was our 4.0.0 joke platform and then allow BIC changes. That much about the theory. In practise no-one will develop KDE4 applications at this point and is not willing to touch them anymore, so BIC should not matter at all. As long as KDE4 isn't installed on people's machines, ISVs (3rd party developers) won't ship binaries linked against it to people, so people won't care if updating KDE4 breaks apps that do not exist. SIC are a big problem though. But for BC, you have to keep in mind what you're doing it for, not just follow the rules because they've always been followed. Greetings, Stephan ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: KDE Dev Platform Status
A Diumenge 25 Novembre 2007, Allen Winter va escriure: On Saturday 24 November 2007 18:23:21 Albert Astals Cid wrote: A Diumenge 25 Novembre 2007, Allen Winter va escriure: Howdy, Are we willing to permit BIC changes to the Dev Platform? The question you need to make yourself is: Did we release the 4.0.0 for the Dev Platform?, techbase says yes, so the answer to that question is no BIC changes until 5.0.0 Obviously you can ignore that we said to have released 4.0.0 for the Dev Platform and call it that was our 4.0.0 joke platform and then allow BIC changes. Albert, Of course I agree, in theory. But we also need to acknowledge that we are not all-knowing super-geniuses with unlimited time and man+woman power. I don't think we need to be so hard on ourselves. I'm not beign hard, just realistic-pessimistic. I try to use KDE 4 everyday and i can't and i can't fix all things because i'm not a super-genius with unlimited time. So my suggestion is just to ignore we released kdelibs 4.0, make the BIC changes and release kdelibs 4.0.0 again. And besides i would want to suggest that KDE 4.0 should not be released on 11 december, but i won't do it and expect some crazy fixing goes along trunk and fixes everything for that date. Albert IMO we have a very short time window to implement critical BIC changes. And critical BIC changes that require no source code changes are even easier to approve. Anyway, that's my opinion. -Allen PS. moving libexec/kdesu to bin/kdesu would break the Dev Platform freeze. Do I continue with the co-installability stuff? ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
Both don't work at all, and there's no maintainer. I vote for them to be removed of KDE. Albert ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
kcalc will be replaced with speedcrunch or something? ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
On Sunday 25 November 2007 17:21:08 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Both don't work at all, and there's no maintainer. I vote for them to be removed of KDE. Try posting a blog first to ask if someone will step up to do the work. -- Thomas Zander pgpjb8rG1WlFp.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
Removing kcalc seems daft to me. It's pretty much essential for a sane desktop. Are you saying there are some problems with it that need fixing or just playing jobsworth? Cheers Rich. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: KDE Dev Platform Status
On Sunday 25 November 2007 10:03:03 Stephan Kulow wrote: Am Sonntag 25 November 2007 schrieb Albert Astals Cid: A Diumenge 25 Novembre 2007, Allen Winter va escriure: Howdy, Are we willing to permit BIC changes to the Dev Platform? The question you need to make yourself is: Did we release the 4.0.0 for the Dev Platform?, techbase says yes, so the answer to that question is no BIC changes until 5.0.0 Obviously you can ignore that we said to have released 4.0.0 for the Dev Platform and call it that was our 4.0.0 joke platform and then allow BIC changes. That much about the theory. In practise no-one will develop KDE4 applications at this point and is not willing to touch them anymore, so BIC should not matter at all. As long as KDE4 isn't installed on people's machines, ISVs (3rd party developers) won't ship binaries linked against it to people, so people won't care if updating KDE4 breaks apps that do not exist. SIC are a big problem though. But for BC, you have to keep in mind what you're doing it for, not just follow the rules because they've always been followed. We should tap into coolo's experience here. My proposal would be to have one last BIC (but SC) monday. That should get us the critical stuff/fallout, and not break things. I hope. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
On Sunday 25 November 2007 17:38:20 Thomas Zander wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007 17:21:08 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Both don't work at all, and there's no maintainer. I vote for them to be removed of KDE. Try posting a blog first to ask if someone will step up to do the work. That's 4.1 timeframe. Finding a maintainer and having the code fixed does not sounds like reality to me with our current timeframe. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
A Diumenge 25 Novembre 2007, Richard Moore va escriure: Removing kcalc seems daft to me. It's pretty much essential for a sane desktop. Are you saying there are some problems with it that need fixing or just playing jobsworth? Problem i have: * I can't not start it, it ends up in an inifite loop Problem other people has: * It doesn't know how to add http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152713 Real problem: * No maintainer No playing here, i'm just not in mood. Albert Cheers Rich. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
On Sunday 25 November 2007, Sebastian Kuegler wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007 17:38:20 Thomas Zander wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007 17:21:08 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Both don't work at all, and there's no maintainer. I vote for them to be removed of KDE. Try posting a blog first to ask if someone will step up to do the work. That's 4.1 timeframe. Finding a maintainer and having the code fixed does not sounds like reality to me with our current timeframe. I agree with Richard, a sane desktop needs a calculator. So is it too late to replace kcalc by speedcrunch ? (Speedcrunch is allready using Qt4, it's better than kcalc anyway) Or just leave to distribution to install Speedcrunch ? -- Cyrille Berger ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
On Sunday 25 November 2007 19:46:52 Cyrille Berger wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007, Sebastian Kuegler wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007 17:38:20 Thomas Zander wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007 17:21:08 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Both don't work at all, and there's no maintainer. I vote for them to be removed of KDE. Try posting a blog first to ask if someone will step up to do the work. That's 4.1 timeframe. Finding a maintainer and having the code fixed does not sounds like reality to me with our current timeframe. I agree with Richard, a sane desktop needs a calculator. So is it too late to replace kcalc by speedcrunch ? (Speedcrunch is allready using Qt4, it's better than kcalc anyway) Or just leave to distribution to install Speedcrunch ? For 4.0, it is too late. For 4.1, speedcrunch is probably a good option. There's a calculator plasmoid that might help in the meantime, though it's not in kdebase. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
On 11/25/07, Albert Astals Cid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Diumenge 25 Novembre 2007, Richard Moore va escriure: Removing kcalc seems daft to me. It's pretty much essential for a sane desktop. Are you saying there are some problems with it that need fixing or just playing jobsworth? Problem i have: * I can't not start it, it ends up in an inifite loop I'm getting a segfault on startup here, but that seems to be a kiconloader issue. Problem other people has: * It doesn't know how to add http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152713 The problems in that bug seem to be more display related. Real problem: * No maintainer No playing here, i'm just not in mood. I'm not playing either, I think we need a calculator. I'll try to look into what's broken it. Rich, ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Removing kregexpedit and kcalc
I've just tested trunk and if I remove the kcalc 16x16 svgz that is causing a crash on startup in QSvgRenderer then kcalc can add fine. Have you actually tested any of the problems in this report or do I need to go through them one by one? Rich. On 11/25/07, Richard Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/25/07, Albert Astals Cid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Diumenge 25 Novembre 2007, Richard Moore va escriure: Removing kcalc seems daft to me. It's pretty much essential for a sane desktop. Are you saying there are some problems with it that need fixing or just playing jobsworth? Problem i have: * I can't not start it, it ends up in an inifite loop I'm getting a segfault on startup here, but that seems to be a kiconloader issue. Problem other people has: * It doesn't know how to add http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152713 The problems in that bug seem to be more display related. Real problem: * No maintainer No playing here, i'm just not in mood. I'm not playing either, I think we need a calculator. I'll try to look into what's broken it. Rich, ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
