Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-10 Thread Albert Astals Cid

I added a exit to the .php file because we don't want
sites to start linking there before we do the actual
release

If you want to have a look at the changelog you can
see http://www.tsdgeos.com/unofficial/changelog.html

Albert

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> On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > Albert was already so nice to create
> >
>
http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php
> > and we added kdevelop 3.5 to the mix, so there is
> something
> > to announce.
> 
> At this time the document is empty. It looks OK in
> the subversion 
> repository though.
> 
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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> I already explained, remove the confusion caused when "smart sites"
> link to the changelog and say kde has been removed.
>
> But as you say, they are read/write for anyone, feel free to remove
> the exit.

I did so.

> > What if somebody links
> > there? They will see the progress of KDE, that's all.
>
> BTW
>
> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/announcements/announce-3.5.
>6.php?r1=626589&r2=627062
> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/announcements/announce-3.5.
>7.php?r1=667120&r2=667267

I wasn't talking about the announcement (that indeed could introduce 
confusion).

> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/announcements/changelogs/ch
>angelog3_5_6to3_5_7.php?r1=665435&r2=667267

And I said I don't know how it was for 3.5.7. But you can check the logs 
for previous versions. ;)

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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Dimarts 09 Octubre 2007, Andras Mantia va escriure:
> On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > It's the typical release procedure, we always protect pages until we
> > do the real release.
>
> It is not typical for KDE. This is really the first time I see the
> changelog page protected in KDE (well, I'm not sure for 3.5.7, but
> before that for many releases I updated regularly the changelog files
> and it was never protected). 

I just protected yesterday, that is protect when the release is near.

> The files are read/writable for anybody 
> having an account and readable for everybody else, so what is the real
> benefit of tryting to hide it, I don't know. 

I already explained, remove the confusion caused when "smart sites" link to 
the changelog and say kde has been removed.

But as you say, they are read/write for anyone, feel free to remove the exit.

> What if somebody links 
> there? They will see the progress of KDE, that's all.

BTW

http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/announcements/announce-3.5.6.php?r1=626589&r2=627062
http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/announcements/announce-3.5.7.php?r1=667120&r2=667267
http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_6to3_5_7.php?r1=665435&r2=667267

Albert

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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> It's the typical release procedure, we always protect pages until we
> do the real release.

It is not typical for KDE. This is really the first time I see the 
changelog page protected in KDE (well, I'm not sure for 3.5.7, but 
before that for many releases I updated regularly the changelog files 
and it was never protected). The files are read/writable for anybody 
having an account and readable for everybody else, so what is the real 
benefit of tryting to hide it, I don't know. What if somebody links 
there? They will see the progress of KDE, that's all.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Dimarts 09 Octubre 2007, Andras Mantia va escriure:
> On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > I added a exit to the .php file because we don't want
> > sites to start linking there before we do the actual
> > release
> >
> > If you want to have a look at the changelog you can
> > see http://www.tsdgeos.com/unofficial/changelog.html
>
> I don't think this makes sense. The changelog is public, anybody can see
> it through websvn, for example. This just makes it harder to see if
> everything is fine for those who add changelog entries in the xml file.

It's the typical release procedure, we always protect pages until we do the 
real release. Having the annoucement/changelog not protected will make sites 
start linking to it (after all guessing the url is trivial), users will start 
to ask where the packages are and will get confused because they are nowhere 
to be found.

Protecting the pages will save ourselves and our users some headaches.

Albert

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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> I added a exit to the .php file because we don't want
> sites to start linking there before we do the actual
> release
>
> If you want to have a look at the changelog you can
> see http://www.tsdgeos.com/unofficial/changelog.html

I don't think this makes sense. The changelog is public, anybody can see 
it through websvn, for example. This just makes it harder to see if 
everything is fine for those who add changelog entries in the xml file.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Albert was already so nice to create
> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php
> and we added kdevelop 3.5 to the mix, so there is something
> to announce.

At this time the document is empty. It looks OK in the subversion 
repository though.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Dienstag 09 Oktober 2007 schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
> On Tuesday 09 October 2007 08:51:31 Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > I tagged, packaged and uploaded KDE 3.5.8 to be
> > grabbed by packagers. I would like to know if there
> > is some spare time left to adapt the 3.5.7 release
> > announcement :)
>
> I'll take care of the announcement. When do you want to release, maybe on
> Tuesday next week? (That'll give the translators some time to translate the
> announcement.)
>
That's what I had in mind, yes

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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Tuesday 09 October 2007 08:51:31 Stephan Kulow wrote:
> I tagged, packaged and uploaded KDE 3.5.8 to be
> grabbed by packagers. I would like to know if there
> is some spare time left to adapt the 3.5.7 release
> announcement :)

I'll take care of the announcement. When do you want to release, maybe on 
Tuesday next week? (That'll give the translators some time to translate the 
announcement.)

> I don't think we want to take away any of the shine from
> the 7th KConfig rewrite, but I guess some people might
> still be interested in bugs being fixed.

Hehe :-)

> Albert was already so nice to create
> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php
> and we added kdevelop 3.5 to the mix, so there is something
> to announce.
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Re: KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-09 Thread Helio Chissini de Castro
Em Tuesday 09 October 2007 03:51:31 Stephan Kulow escreveu:
> Hi!
>
> I tagged, packaged and uploaded KDE 3.5.8 to be
> grabbed by packagers. I would like to know if there
> is some spare time left to adapt the 3.5.7 release
> announcement :)
>
> I don't think we want to take away any of the shine from
> the 7th KConfig rewrite, but I guess some people might
> still be interested in bugs being fixed.
>
> Albert was already so nice to create
> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php
> and we added kdevelop 3.5 to the mix, so there is something
> to announce.
>
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Hi Coolo, when will br the official announcement ? I need until weekend to 
finish my packages due my slow connection at Angola, but i don't want miss 
Mandriva from this release this time.

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KDE 3.5.8 uploaded

2007-10-08 Thread Stephan Kulow
Hi!

I tagged, packaged and uploaded KDE 3.5.8 to be
grabbed by packagers. I would like to know if there
is some spare time left to adapt the 3.5.7 release
announcement :)

I don't think we want to take away any of the shine from
the 7th KConfig rewrite, but I guess some people might
still be interested in bugs being fixed.

Albert was already so nice to create
http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php
and we added kdevelop 3.5 to the mix, so there is something
to announce.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-08 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Friday 05 October 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:

> > Yep, so its better to act surprised after Adobe does a public beta for 3
> > months. ;)
> And who acts suprised we're going to release 3.5.8 after 5 months?

I didn't act surprised - I've in fact talked to Koos a few weeks ago already 
about this topic. Its just that nothing has happened yet. 


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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-07 Thread Clarence Dang
On Thursday 04 October 2007 12:37 am, Eike Hein wrote:
> Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > So are we going to ship 3.5.8 without flash 9 support and push out 3.5.9
> > as soon as that's implemented, or should we delay 3.5.8 until that's
> > done?
>
> If we do delay 3.5.8 for the Flash thing, I guess
> that would give Clarence that extra week he asked
> for.

I just finished all my commits to [branches/KDE/3.5/kdegraphics/kolourpaint] 
anyway :)
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-06 Thread Tom Albers
Op ma 1 okt 2007 12:53 schreef u:
> > Actually my point was that it should matter if a module is in toplevel
> > directory of KDE or under extragear, what it matters is what policy it
> > follows. KDevelop is one, KOffice is another. Do you want to move
> > KOffice under extragear as well?
> First, KOffice has allways had his own release schedule separated from KDE. I 
> guess for historical reason it's located as a top svn directory, if it was 
> started today it would probably end up in extragear/office. But that's not 
> the problem.

I'm tempted to propose it ;-)
 
> Second, as I understand, Tom's point is not about the exact location of 
> KDevelop in svn, it's about wether a module (or an application) is _allways_ 
> released at the same time than KDE or not. If it is, then it can be in the 
> main module. If it's not the case, then it would be easier for the release 
> team to have it in extragear. In KDE4 extragear module will allways be 
> released with KDE4 but including a version tagged by their maintainers, which 
> might or might not be the same tagging date as the one of KDE4.

Spot on!

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-05 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Freitag 05 Oktober 2007 schrieb Dirk Mueller:
> On Thursday, 4. October 2007, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > +1, imo, flash-fix is post 3.5.8 territory.  Besides, afaik, this only
> > affect the flash beta, not the stable/released version (9.0.48.0 atm).
>
> Yep, so its better to act surprised after Adobe does a public beta for 3
> months. ;)
>
And who acts suprised we're going to release 3.5.8 after 5 months?

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-04 Thread Eike Hein
Dirk Mueller wrote:
> Yep, so its better to act surprised after Adobe does a public beta for 3 
> months. ;)

Actually it's no longer beta, either -- with
the third pre-release of the upcoming version
it has achieved "release candidate" stage:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/releasenotes.html


> Greetings,
> Dirk

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-04 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Thursday, 4. October 2007, Rex Dieter wrote:

> +1, imo, flash-fix is post 3.5.8 territory.  Besides, afaik, this only
> affect the flash beta, not the stable/released version (9.0.48.0 atm).

Yep, so its better to act surprised after Adobe does a public beta for 3 
months. ;)


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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-04 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Thursday 04 October 2007 14:58:40 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch 03 Oktober 2007 schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
> >> So are we going to ship 3.5.8 without flash 9 support and push out 3.5.9
> >> as soon as that's implemented, or should we delay 3.5.8 until that's
> >> done?
> >
> > Delaying 3.5.8 would be a big mistake
>
> +1, imo, flash-fix is post 3.5.8 territory.  Besides, afaik, this only
> affect the flash beta, not the stable/released version (9.0.48.0 atm).

Ok, so we'll ship 3.5.8 as planned and will do a small update when the flash 
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-04 Thread Rex Dieter
Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 03 Oktober 2007 schrieb Sebastian Kügler:

>> So are we going to ship 3.5.8 without flash 9 support and push out 3.5.9 as
>> soon as that's implemented, or should we delay 3.5.8 until that's done?

> Delaying 3.5.8 would be a big mistake

+1, imo, flash-fix is post 3.5.8 territory.  Besides, afaik, this only 
affect the flash beta, not the stable/released version (9.0.48.0 atm).

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-04 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Mittwoch 03 Oktober 2007 schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
> On Wednesday 03 October 2007 15:53:21 Dirk Mueller wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 3. October 2007, Eike Hein wrote:
> > > http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10004
> > > That may not be good enough to consider this
> > > blocker done for, but maybe his code can be
> > > adapted for 3.5.8.
> >
> > Indeed, this was my plan (to adapt his embedding code for nspluginviewer)
> > or move the code into a separate project into kdebase.
>
> So are we going to ship 3.5.8 without flash 9 support and push out 3.5.9 as
> soon as that's implemented, or should we delay 3.5.8 until that's done?

Delaying 3.5.8 would be a big mistake

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Eike Hein
Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> So are we going to ship 3.5.8 without flash 9 support and push out 3.5.9 as 
> soon as that's implemented, or should we delay 3.5.8 until that's done?

If we do delay 3.5.8 for the Flash thing, I guess
that would give Clarence that extra week he asked
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 15:53:21 Dirk Mueller wrote:
> On Wednesday, 3. October 2007, Eike Hein wrote:
> > http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10004
> > That may not be good enough to consider this
> > blocker done for, but maybe his code can be
> > adapted for 3.5.8.
>
> Indeed, this was my plan (to adapt his embedding code for nspluginviewer)
> or move the code into a separate project into kdebase.

So are we going to ship 3.5.8 without flash 9 support and push out 3.5.9 as 
soon as that's implemented, or should we delay 3.5.8 until that's done?
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Wednesday, 3. October 2007, Eike Hein wrote:

> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10004
> That may not be good enough to consider this
> blocker done for, but maybe his code can be
> adapted for 3.5.8.

Indeed, this was my plan (to adapt his embedding code for nspluginviewer) or 
move the code into a separate project into kdebase. 

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Eike Hein
Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> It doesn't. The old flash plugin does, the new flash plugin uses different 
> technologies. So the point really is if we want / can release an updated KDE 
> that has konqueror supporting the new flash plugin.

Notably Koos of KMPlayer fame has added support
for loading the XEmbed-style Beta Flash plugin
to the KMPlayer KPart, so Konqueror can current-
ly get at that Flash version through KMPlayer:

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10004


That may not be good enough to consider this
blocker done for, but maybe his code can be
adapted for 3.5.8.


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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 13:49:04 Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 03 Oktober 2007 schrieb Dirk Mueller:
> > On Wednesday, 3. October 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > > > I don't think it makes sense to release KDE 3.5.8 without working
> > > > flash support, this has to be fixed first.
> > >
> > > Without what?
> >
> > flash support. Flashplayer has moved to XEmbed, nspluginviewer no longer
> > works.
>
> Why does it work with 3.5.7 then?

It doesn't. The old flash plugin does, the new flash plugin uses different 
technologies. So the point really is if we want / can release an updated KDE 
that has konqueror supporting the new flash plugin.
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Mittwoch 03 Oktober 2007 schrieb Dirk Mueller:
> On Wednesday, 3. October 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > > I don't think it makes sense to release KDE 3.5.8 without working flash
> > > support, this has to be fixed first.
> >
> > Without what?
>
> flash support. Flashplayer has moved to XEmbed, nspluginviewer no longer
> works.
>
Why does it work with 3.5.7 then?

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Wednesday, 3. October 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:

> > I don't think it makes sense to release KDE 3.5.8 without working flash
> > support, this has to be fixed first.
> Without what?

flash support. Flashplayer has moved to XEmbed, nspluginviewer no longer 
works. 

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Mittwoch 03 Oktober 2007 schrieb Dirk Mueller:
> On Friday, 21. September 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has
> > changed in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another
> > service pack.
> >
> > As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> > October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
>
> I don't think it makes sense to release KDE 3.5.8 without working flash
> support, this has to be fixed first.

Without what?

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-03 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Friday, 21. September 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:

> It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has changed
> in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another service
> pack.
>
> As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.

I don't think it makes sense to release KDE 3.5.8 without working flash 
support, this has to be fixed first. 

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Cyrille Berger
> Actually my point was that it should matter if a module is in toplevel
> directory of KDE or under extragear, what it matters is what policy it
> follows. KDevelop is one, KOffice is another. Do you want to move
> KOffice under extragear as well?
First, KOffice has allways had his own release schedule separated from KDE. I 
guess for historical reason it's located as a top svn directory, if it was 
started today it would probably end up in extragear/office. But that's not 
the problem.

Second, as I understand, Tom's point is not about the exact location of 
KDevelop in svn, it's about wether a module (or an application) is _allways_ 
released at the same time than KDE or not. If it is, then it can be in the 
main module. If it's not the case, then it would be easier for the release 
team to have it in extragear. In KDE4 extragear module will allways be 
released with KDE4 but including a version tagged by their maintainers, which 
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Montag 01 Oktober 2007 schrieb Andras Mantia:

> So this would mean a need in scripty script each time a module (be it
> kdevelop, koffice or whatever) is packaged together or separately?
> Can't the kde-i18n packages be created per module?
> So let's say KDE 4.0 has kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase and kdegames.
> There will be kde-i18n-kdelibs, kde-i18n-kdepimlibs and so on.
> If KDE 4.1 has one more module, the corresponding kde-i18n-* is also
> released. If a module is not released together with 4.2, the i18n
> module for that is not released.
> And to avoid chaos: those module maintainers whose modules will be
> added/removed from the next release should inform (and ask permission)
> the release team and translation teams well in advance.
>
This might work for kdevelop perhaps. But e.g. not for the kopete case, that 
jumps back in and out. The way we package translations is a compromise
and the condition is that we move into one direction, otherwise we create 
a mess. If this is should be more flexible for KDE 4, we need to do the
split a massive one and package applications including _all_ translations
(as GNOME basically does).

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 01.10.07 08:36:28, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Am Montag 01 Oktober 2007 schrieb Andreas Pakulat:
> > On 26.09.07 13:50:51, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> > > On 21.09.07 10:02:43, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has
> > > > changed in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release
> > > > another service pack.
> > > >
> > > > As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> > > > October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> > > >
> > > > Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)
> > >
> > > About KDevelop :)
> > >
> > > We recently moved to a branch (please no flames anymore, got enough of
> > > that already) and some of us developers would like to merge that branch
> > > back into KDE/3.5 before this release. The thing is, that
> > >
> > > a) that branch has new strings (I already changed scripty to update from
> > > the branch instead of KDE/3.5 a few weeks ago)
> > > b) it has new features
> > >
> > > I know 3.5 is in full freeze, thats why I'm asking wether we are allowed
> > > to move back at all.
> > >
> > > If not, please don't release the kdevelop module from KDE/3.5 when
> > > releasing KDE 3.5.8. We will do a release of KDevelop 3.5.0 at the time
> > > of the KDE release ourselves in that case. (Should kdevelop 3.4.1 be
> > > removed from KDE/3.5 in that case?)
> >
> > Would somebody please give us (the kdevelop team) at least any response?
> > (no I will not do the move unless it is approved, but still its kinda
> > rude to get no answer whatsoever)
> >
> Oops, I overlooked the mail somehow.  I was aware of the issue though. So the 
> thing is: if you already changed scripty, then merging back is the safer 
> variant. Otherwise 3.5.8's kde-i18n might create a more untranslated kdevelop
> than with the branch.
>
> I wonder why you guys don't ask forehand.

We did ask to get a freeze exception, but we got no reply whatsoever :(

> Now all I could do is remove kdevelop from kde-i18n and 3.5.8
> completely ;(
> 
> But backmerge, I don't care. The idea in freezing KDE 3.5 was to keep people 
> on KDE4 development, if it doesn't work for kdevelop and the development team 
> is using dirty tricks to circumvent the freeze, I can't help.

Ok, I'll merge back the branch then. 

Note that we're not _actively_ working on KDevelop3.x anymore, at least
not as the few of us work on KDevelop4. Howver its still a long road
until 4.0 is released and there are certain "bugs" that need a small
feature here or there (and one of us is payed to improve a certain
language support, which of course makes sense to share with the
community)

Thanks for the answer.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 01.10.07 09:40:57, Tom Albers wrote:
> At Monday 01 October 2007 02:17, you wrote:
> > > We recently moved to a branch (please no flames anymore, got enough of
> > > that already) and some of us developers would like to merge that branch
> > > back into KDE/3.5 before this release. The thing is, that
> 
> I don't want want to flame as you request, but could you consider moving 
> kdevelop to extragear-sdk? In that case you can determine for each release if 
> you want to be part of it. We will just tag what is in there at that moment 
> so you can swap around whatever you see fit.
> 
> Again, just an idea, please don't kill me.

Thats exactly what I want as well, for KDevelop4. KDevelop3 development
might get an occasional change here or there but is also considered
"abdandoned". This recent move out/change scripty was caused by two
things:

a) a lot of changes that we had lying on our harddisks but couldn't
share with the community due to full freeze
b) the release team not answering our request for freeze exception

Anyway, as Stephan said he doesn't care about keeping the full freeze I
will merge back today.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Andras Mantia
On Monday 01 October 2007, Tom Albers wrote:
> For the next release we will make releases of extragear application
> at the same time the other modules are released. So your workflow
> fits way better in extragear (release on reqest at the same time as
> KDE) then a main module (always release).

Actually my point was that it should matter if a module is in toplevel 
directory of KDE or under extragear, what it matters is what policy it 
follows. KDevelop is one, KOffice is another. Do you want to move 
KOffice under extragear as well?

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Andras Mantia
On Monday 01 October 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Am Montag 01 Oktober 2007 schrieb Andras Mantia:
> > On Monday 01 October 2007, Tom Albers wrote:
> > > I don't want want to flame as you request, but could you consider
> > > moving kdevelop to extragear-sdk? In that case you can determine
> > > for each release if you want to be part of it. We will just tag
> > > what is in there at that moment so you can swap around whatever
> > > you see fit.
> >
> > There is no need to move it anywhere, it just about deciding if
> > KDevelop should or not be released together with a certain version
> > of KDE. If the KDevelop developers tell in *advance* that we added
> > new string, features, please don't include the current kdevelop
> > module in KDE 3.5.8, I don't think anybody will complain. The same
> > the other way around, if they say that the only changes compared to
> > the last released version are bugfixes, it can be included in the
> > upcoming KDE pack.
>
> No. There _is_ a problem. And that is that KDE module's translations
> are packaged in kde-i18n. So you can't simply translate kdevelop 7.0
> in KDE 3.5's kde-i18n and then expect a working 3.5.8 to be released

So this would mean a need in scripty script each time a module (be it 
kdevelop, koffice or whatever) is packaged together or separately?
Can't the kde-i18n packages be created per module?
So let's say KDE 4.0 has kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase and kdegames.
There will be kde-i18n-kdelibs, kde-i18n-kdepimlibs and so on.
If KDE 4.1 has one more module, the corresponding kde-i18n-* is also 
released. If a module is not released together with 4.2, the i18n 
module for that is not released.
And to avoid chaos: those module maintainers whose modules will be 
added/removed from the next release should inform (and ask permission) 
the release team and translation teams well in advance.

If this was discussed on kde-i18n list, I just shut up now. :)

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Tom Albers
At Monday 01 October 2007 10:09, you wrote:
> On Monday 01 October 2007, Tom Albers wrote:
> > I don't want want to flame as you request, but could you consider
> > moving kdevelop to extragear-sdk? In that case you can determine for
> > each release if you want to be part of it. We will just tag what is
> > in there at that moment so you can swap around whatever you see fit.
> 
> There is no need to move it anywhere, it just about deciding if KDevelop 
> should or not be released together with a certain version of KDE. 
> If the KDevelop developers tell in *advance* that we added new string, 
> features, please don't include the current kdevelop module in KDE 
> 3.5.8, I don't think anybody will complain. The same the other way 
> around, if they say that the only changes compared to the last released 
> version are bugfixes, it can be included in the upcoming KDE pack.

For the next release we will make releases of extragear application at the same 
time the other modules are released. 
So your workflow fits way better in extragear (release on reqest at the same 
time as KDE) then a main module (always release).

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Montag 01 Oktober 2007 schrieb Andras Mantia:
> On Monday 01 October 2007, Tom Albers wrote:
> > I don't want want to flame as you request, but could you consider
> > moving kdevelop to extragear-sdk? In that case you can determine for
> > each release if you want to be part of it. We will just tag what is
> > in there at that moment so you can swap around whatever you see fit.
>
> There is no need to move it anywhere, it just about deciding if KDevelop
> should or not be released together with a certain version of KDE.
> If the KDevelop developers tell in *advance* that we added new string,
> features, please don't include the current kdevelop module in KDE
> 3.5.8, I don't think anybody will complain. The same the other way
> around, if they say that the only changes compared to the last released
> version are bugfixes, it can be included in the upcoming KDE pack.

No. There _is_ a problem. And that is that KDE module's translations are
packaged in kde-i18n. So you can't simply translate kdevelop 7.0 in KDE 3.5's 
kde-i18n and then expect a working 3.5.8 to be released 

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Andras Mantia
On Monday 01 October 2007, Tom Albers wrote:
> I don't want want to flame as you request, but could you consider
> moving kdevelop to extragear-sdk? In that case you can determine for
> each release if you want to be part of it. We will just tag what is
> in there at that moment so you can swap around whatever you see fit.

There is no need to move it anywhere, it just about deciding if KDevelop 
should or not be released together with a certain version of KDE. 
If the KDevelop developers tell in *advance* that we added new string, 
features, please don't include the current kdevelop module in KDE 
3.5.8, I don't think anybody will complain. The same the other way 
around, if they say that the only changes compared to the last released 
version are bugfixes, it can be included in the upcoming KDE pack.


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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-10-01 Thread Tom Albers
At Monday 01 October 2007 02:17, you wrote:
> > We recently moved to a branch (please no flames anymore, got enough of
> > that already) and some of us developers would like to merge that branch
> > back into KDE/3.5 before this release. The thing is, that

I don't want want to flame as you request, but could you consider moving 
kdevelop to extragear-sdk? In that case you can determine for each release if 
you want to be part of it. We will just tag what is in there at that moment so 
you can swap around whatever you see fit.

Again, just an idea, please don't kill me.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-30 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Montag 01 Oktober 2007 schrieb Andreas Pakulat:
> On 26.09.07 13:50:51, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> > On 21.09.07 10:02:43, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has
> > > changed in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release
> > > another service pack.
> > >
> > > As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> > > October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> > >
> > > Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)
> >
> > About KDevelop :)
> >
> > We recently moved to a branch (please no flames anymore, got enough of
> > that already) and some of us developers would like to merge that branch
> > back into KDE/3.5 before this release. The thing is, that
> >
> > a) that branch has new strings (I already changed scripty to update from
> > the branch instead of KDE/3.5 a few weeks ago)
> > b) it has new features
> >
> > I know 3.5 is in full freeze, thats why I'm asking wether we are allowed
> > to move back at all.
> >
> > If not, please don't release the kdevelop module from KDE/3.5 when
> > releasing KDE 3.5.8. We will do a release of KDevelop 3.5.0 at the time
> > of the KDE release ourselves in that case. (Should kdevelop 3.4.1 be
> > removed from KDE/3.5 in that case?)
>
> Would somebody please give us (the kdevelop team) at least any response?
> (no I will not do the move unless it is approved, but still its kinda
> rude to get no answer whatsoever)
>
Oops, I overlooked the mail somehow.  I was aware of the issue though. So the 
thing is: if you already changed scripty, then merging back is the safer 
variant. Otherwise 3.5.8's kde-i18n might create a more untranslated kdevelop
than with the branch.

I wonder why you guys don't ask forehand. Now all I could do is remove 
kdevelop from kde-i18n and 3.5.8 completely ;(

But backmerge, I don't care. The idea in freezing KDE 3.5 was to keep people 
on KDE4 development, if it doesn't work for kdevelop and the development team 
is using dirty tricks to circumvent the freeze, I can't help.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-30 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 26.09.07 13:50:51, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> On 21.09.07 10:02:43, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has changed
> > in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another service 
> > pack.
> > 
> > As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with 
> > October 
> > 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> > 
> > Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)
> 
> About KDevelop :)
> 
> We recently moved to a branch (please no flames anymore, got enough of
> that already) and some of us developers would like to merge that branch
> back into KDE/3.5 before this release. The thing is, that
> 
> a) that branch has new strings (I already changed scripty to update from
> the branch instead of KDE/3.5 a few weeks ago)
> b) it has new features
> 
> I know 3.5 is in full freeze, thats why I'm asking wether we are allowed
> to move back at all.
> 
> If not, please don't release the kdevelop module from KDE/3.5 when
> releasing KDE 3.5.8. We will do a release of KDevelop 3.5.0 at the time
> of the KDE release ourselves in that case. (Should kdevelop 3.4.1 be
> removed from KDE/3.5 in that case?)

Would somebody please give us (the kdevelop team) at least any response?
(no I will not do the move unless it is approved, but still its kinda
rude to get no answer whatsoever)

Thanks in advance.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-27 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi Sarah,

On Thursday 27 September 2007 09:44:12 Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> Wasn't sure if there was a point - but figured it might be better to
> point it out, rather than going "oh, surprise!".

Yeah, we weren't thinking of 3.5.8 until less than a week ago. Let's call it 
collateral damage (maybe if only I'd like to use this word right now, silly 
me).

> Had it been earlier, we would have grabbed a freeze exception for it -
> it's certainly important enough.
>
> Good luck on KDE 4 - it's starting to look good!

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-27 Thread Sarah Hobbs
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Hey Sebastian,

Wasn't sure if there was a point - but figured it might be better to
point it out, rather than going "oh, surprise!".

Had it been earlier, we would have grabbed a freeze exception for it -
it's certainly important enough.

Good luck on KDE 4 - it's starting to look good!

Hobbsee

Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
> 
> On Wednesday 26 September 2007 07:03:21 Sarah Hobbs wrote:
>> Just a FYI, this will almost definitely miss Kubuntu Gutsy - but we're
>> aware that you guys don't want to push it earlier, either.
>> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule)
> 
> It misses Gutsy by about two months (assuming that the Feature Freeze is 
> applying here). So I don't really see a point in pointing this out -- 3.5.8 
> might "miss" other distro's releases as well (prominently OpenSuse 10.3, I 
> suppose), we could have released it earlier, but there was no pressing reason 
> to do so. For the 3.x series we're in maintenance mode, and only flushing out 
> bugfixes that went into the codebase every so often, and that time span is 
> increasing. We do understand that it's nice to keep releasing the stable 
> version, but we really need to focus on getting KDE 4.0 release ready. 
> Working too much on the 3.5 branch steals focus there.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-26 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 21.09.07 10:02:43, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has changed
> in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another service pack.
> 
> As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with October 
> 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> 
> Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)

About KDevelop :)

We recently moved to a branch (please no flames anymore, got enough of
that already) and some of us developers would like to merge that branch
back into KDE/3.5 before this release. The thing is, that

a) that branch has new strings (I already changed scripty to update from
the branch instead of KDE/3.5 a few weeks ago)
b) it has new features

I know 3.5 is in full freeze, thats why I'm asking wether we are allowed
to move back at all.

If not, please don't release the kdevelop module from KDE/3.5 when
releasing KDE 3.5.8. We will do a release of KDevelop 3.5.0 at the time
of the KDE release ourselves in that case. (Should kdevelop 3.4.1 be
removed from KDE/3.5 in that case?)

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Mittwoch 26 September 2007 schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> On Wednesday 26 September 2007 07:03:21 Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> > Just a FYI, this will almost definitely miss Kubuntu Gutsy - but we're
> > aware that you guys don't want to push it earlier, either.
> > (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule)
>
> It misses Gutsy by about two months (assuming that the Feature Freeze is
> applying here). So I don't really see a point in pointing this out -- 3.5.8

There are no new features in 3.5.8, so I would have updated with the 
BetaFreeze. So it misses by one month roughly :)

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Mittwoch 26 September 2007 schrieb Sarah Hobbs:
> Just a FYI, this will almost definitely miss Kubuntu Gutsy - but we're
> aware that you guys don't want to push it earlier, either.
> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule)
>
I see. I wasn't aware that Gutsy was that close, otherwise I would have pushed 
it a bit earlier. Sorry for that. But it will hopefully be the last 3.5 
release :)

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-26 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi Sarah,

On Wednesday 26 September 2007 07:03:21 Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> Just a FYI, this will almost definitely miss Kubuntu Gutsy - but we're
> aware that you guys don't want to push it earlier, either.
> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule)

It misses Gutsy by about two months (assuming that the Feature Freeze is 
applying here). So I don't really see a point in pointing this out -- 3.5.8 
might "miss" other distro's releases as well (prominently OpenSuse 10.3, I 
suppose), we could have released it earlier, but there was no pressing reason 
to do so. For the 3.x series we're in maintenance mode, and only flushing out 
bugfixes that went into the codebase every so often, and that time span is 
increasing. We do understand that it's nice to keep releasing the stable 
version, but we really need to focus on getting KDE 4.0 release ready. 
Working too much on the 3.5 branch steals focus there.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-26 Thread Sarah Hobbs
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Just a FYI, this will almost definitely miss Kubuntu Gutsy - but we're
aware that you guys don't want to push it earlier, either.
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule)

Hobbsee

Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has changed
> in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another service pack.
> 
> As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with October 
> 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> 
> Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)
> 
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-24 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Dilluns 24 Setembre 2007, David Faure va escriure:
> On Sunday 23 September 2007, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > A Divendres 21 Setembre 2007, Stephan Kulow va escriure:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has
> > > changed in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release
> > > another service pack.
> > >
> > > As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> > > October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> > >
> > > Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)
> >
> > As a matter of saying "i agree" i created the changelog page up to
> > r715588
> >
> > http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php
>
> Nice!
> There's a bug with the "core libs" changes though.
> The first bugfix says "See SVN commit 669594." and this is a link to
> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdelibs/core
> libs/?rev=669594&view=rev which doesn't exist (see the "core libs" in there
> :)
> Too much automation in the xml->php transformation it seems?

Yeah, it seems i tried to be too much smart, i'll fix it when i have time.

Thanks for pointing out.

Albert
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-24 Thread David Faure
On Sunday 23 September 2007, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Divendres 21 Setembre 2007, Stephan Kulow va escriure:
> > Hi!
> >
> > It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has changed
> > in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another service
> > pack.
> >
> > As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> > October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> >
> > Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)
> 
> As a matter of saying "i agree" i created the changelog page up to r715588
> 
> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php

Nice!
There's a bug with the "core libs" changes though.
The first bugfix says "See SVN commit 669594." and this is a link to
http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdelibs/core libs/?rev=669594&view=rev
which doesn't exist (see the "core libs" in there :)
Too much automation in the xml->php transformation it seems?

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-24 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Samstag 22 September 2007 schrieb Clarence Dang:
> On Friday 21 September 2007 6:02 pm, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has
> > changed in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another
> > service pack.
> >
> > As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> > October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> >
> > Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)
>
> I have some changes that I haven't made yet on the 3.5 branch.  I can try
> get them done by Oct 7 but if you can give me an extra week, that would be
> great.
>
No, we're way too late anyway.

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-24 Thread Clarence Dang
On Friday 21 September 2007 6:02 pm, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has changed
> in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another service
> pack.
>
> As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
>
> Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)

I have some changes that I haven't made yet on the 3.5 branch.  I can try get 
them done by Oct 7 but if you can give me an extra week, that would be great.

Clarence
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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-23 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb Albert Astals Cid:
> A Divendres 21 Setembre 2007, Stephan Kulow va escriure:
> > Hi!
> >
> > It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has
> > changed in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another
> > service pack.
> >
> > As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> > October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
> >
> > Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)
>
> As a matter of saying "i agree" i created the changelog page up to r715588
>
> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php
>
Wow. Thanks for an impressive argument to do the release :)

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Re: KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-23 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Divendres 21 Setembre 2007, Stephan Kulow va escriure:
> Hi!
>
> It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has changed
> in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another service
> pack.
>
> As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with
> October 7th as tagging date and release on 15th.
>
> Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)

As a matter of saying "i agree" i created the changelog page up to r715588

http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php

Albert

P.S: We should hide it in few time or pages will start linking to it saying 
3.5.8 is out, though.

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> Greetings, Stephan
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KDE 3.5.8

2007-09-21 Thread Stephan Kulow
Hi!

It's been a while since KDE 3.5.7 (released may 22nd) and a lot has changed
in the 3.5 branch since then, so I would like to release another service pack.

As the translators requested some clean up time, I suggest we go with October 
7th as tagging date and release on 15th.

Any objections? If not, I let everyone know :)

Greetings, Stephan
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