Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
El Divendres, 15 de juny de 2012, a les 12:35:12, Dawit A va escriure: > On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, David Faure wrote: > > On Thursday 29 March 2012 18:33:46 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > El Dijous, 29 de març de 2012, a les 12:10:06, David Faure va escriure: > > > > On Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:38:25 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > > > The technical point of view is not enough to guarantee something > > > > being > > > > > > > part > > > > > of the KDE SC, otherwise i could argue the same thing (don't want > > > > > to > > > > > have > > > > > ugly KDE_VERSION around) for some obscure program only I would use. > > > > > > > > Hmm? This is about a crucial component for konqueror, not about some > > > > obscure program. > > > > > > Why did it went to extragear if it was a crucial component? > > > > Things evolve over time. kwebkitpart works much better than it used to, > > and on > > the other hand, khtml isn't catching up much with today's web. Do you > > really > > want to have a full khtml vs kwebkitpart debate here, or can we just go on > > with "treating both equally, shipping both and letting users choose"? > > > > Dirk wrote: > > > The scripts are as usual in /trunk/kde-common/release, > > > and "dirk reads this" :-) > > > > Hehe. So all we need to do is ensure kwebkitpart has a KDE/4.8 branch and > > then > > add it to modules.git, right? Well at this point it might be a bit late > > for > > adding to 4.8.4 all of sudden, so maybe we want to do this for 4.9 -- but > > then > > it means someone needs to remember to add it to modules.git at the exact > > right > > moment (after the last 4.8.x release and before the first 4.9.0 alpha)? > > Hmm... would it be too late to do this now since we are on 4.9.0 beta-2 > already ? In my opnion yes, we are past feature freeze, past message freeze, etc. Cheers, Albert ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, David Faure wrote: > On Thursday 29 March 2012 18:33:46 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > El Dijous, 29 de març de 2012, a les 12:10:06, David Faure va escriure: > > > On Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:38:25 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > > The technical point of view is not enough to guarantee something > being > > > > part > > > > of the KDE SC, otherwise i could argue the same thing (don't want to > > > > have > > > > ugly KDE_VERSION around) for some obscure program only I would use. > > > > > > Hmm? This is about a crucial component for konqueror, not about some > > > obscure program. > > > > Why did it went to extragear if it was a crucial component? > > Things evolve over time. kwebkitpart works much better than it used to, > and on > the other hand, khtml isn't catching up much with today's web. Do you > really > want to have a full khtml vs kwebkitpart debate here, or can we just go on > with "treating both equally, shipping both and letting users choose"? > > Dirk wrote: > > The scripts are as usual in /trunk/kde-common/release, > > and "dirk reads this" :-) > > Hehe. So all we need to do is ensure kwebkitpart has a KDE/4.8 branch and > then > add it to modules.git, right? Well at this point it might be a bit late for > adding to 4.8.4 all of sudden, so maybe we want to do this for 4.9 -- but > then > it means someone needs to remember to add it to modules.git at the exact > right > moment (after the last 4.8.x release and before the first 4.9.0 alpha)? Hmm... would it be too late to do this now since we are on 4.9.0 beta-2 already ? ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
El Dissabte, 5 de maig de 2012, a les 09:11:28, David Faure va escriure: > On Saturday 05 May 2012 00:25:26 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > Dawit proposed a patch that does not treat both of them equally. > > And I'm offering to apply his change to khtml. Good stuff :-) Albert ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Saturday 05 May 2012 00:25:26 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > Dawit proposed a patch that does not treat both of them equally. And I'm offering to apply his change to khtml. -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr Sponsored by Nokia to work on KDE, incl. KDE Frameworks 5 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
--- El sáb, 5/5/12, David Faure escribió: > De: David Faure > On Thursday 29 March 2012 18:33:46 > Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > El Dijous, 29 de març de 2012, a les 12:10:06, David > Faure va escriure: > > > On Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:38:25 Albert Astals > Cid wrote: > > > > The technical point of view is not enough to > guarantee something being > > > > part > > > > of the KDE SC, otherwise i could argue > the same thing (don't want to > > > > have > > > > ugly KDE_VERSION around) for some obscure > program only I would use. > > > > > > Hmm? This is about a crucial component for > konqueror, not about some > > > obscure program. > > > > Why did it went to extragear if it was a crucial > component? > > Things evolve over time. kwebkitpart works much better than > it used to, and on > the other hand, khtml isn't catching up much with today's > web. Do you really > want to have a full khtml vs kwebkitpart debate here or can > we just go on > with "treating both equally, shipping both and letting users > choose"? Dawit proposed a patch that does not treat both of them equally. Cheers, Albert ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Thursday 29 March 2012 18:33:46 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > El Dijous, 29 de març de 2012, a les 12:10:06, David Faure va escriure: > > On Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:38:25 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > The technical point of view is not enough to guarantee something being > > > part > > > of the KDE SC, otherwise i could argue the same thing (don't want to > > > have > > > ugly KDE_VERSION around) for some obscure program only I would use. > > > > Hmm? This is about a crucial component for konqueror, not about some > > obscure program. > > Why did it went to extragear if it was a crucial component? Things evolve over time. kwebkitpart works much better than it used to, and on the other hand, khtml isn't catching up much with today's web. Do you really want to have a full khtml vs kwebkitpart debate here, or can we just go on with "treating both equally, shipping both and letting users choose"? Dirk wrote: > The scripts are as usual in /trunk/kde-common/release, > and "dirk reads this" :-) Hehe. So all we need to do is ensure kwebkitpart has a KDE/4.8 branch and then add it to modules.git, right? Well at this point it might be a bit late for adding to 4.8.4 all of sudden, so maybe we want to do this for 4.9 -- but then it means someone needs to remember to add it to modules.git at the exact right moment (after the last 4.8.x release and before the first 4.9.0 alpha)? -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr Sponsored by Nokia to work on KDE, incl. KDE Frameworks 5 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
Hello Dirk, The last branched kwebkitpart's version number was 1.2.0. The next one was going to be 1.3.0, but I would not mind if it started following KDE's release numbers either. BTW, thanks David for all your help on this. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Dirk Mueller wrote: > On Sunday 25 March 2012, David Faure wrote: > > > > 2) ask Dirk to add it to the SC releases from 4.9 > > > and in the future > > Are there scripts in svn where we can add this ourselves, to prevent the > > "let's hope dirk reads this" situation? :-) > > The scripts are as usual in /trunk/kde-common/release, and "dirk reads > this" > :-) > > it seems there are no objections. what are the version numbers for > kwebkitpart? > > Thanks, > Dirk > ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Sunday 25 March 2012, David Faure wrote: > > 2) ask Dirk to add it to the SC releases from 4.9 > > and in the future > Are there scripts in svn where we can add this ourselves, to prevent the > "let's hope dirk reads this" situation? :-) The scripts are as usual in /trunk/kde-common/release, and "dirk reads this" :-) it seems there are no objections. what are the version numbers for kwebkitpart? Thanks, Dirk ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
El Dijous, 29 de març de 2012, a les 12:10:06, David Faure va escriure: > On Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:38:25 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > The technical point of view is not enough to guarantee something being > > part > > of the KDE SC, otherwise i could argue the same thing (don't want to have > > ugly KDE_VERSION around) for some obscure program only I would use. > > Hmm? This is about a crucial component for konqueror, not about some obscure > program. Why did it went to extragear if it was a crucial component? Cheers, Albert ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:10:06 David Faure wrote: > On Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:38:25 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > The technical point of view is not enough to guarantee something being > > part > > of the KDE SC, otherwise i could argue the same thing (don't want to have > > ugly KDE_VERSION around) for some obscure program only I would use. > > Hmm? This is about a crucial component for konqueror, not about some > obscure program. Besides, as maintainer of Konqueror, you get to make this call. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:38:25 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > The technical point of view is not enough to guarantee something being part > of the KDE SC, otherwise i could argue the same thing (don't want to have > ugly KDE_VERSION around) for some obscure program only I would use. Hmm? This is about a crucial component for konqueror, not about some obscure program. -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr Sponsored by Nokia to work on KDE, incl. KDE Frameworks 5 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
El Dimarts, 27 de març de 2012, a les 16:35:37, vau escriure: > On Sunday 25 March 2012 23:40:28 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > El Diumenge, 25 de març de 2012, a les 23:29:14, David Faure va escriure: > > > On Sunday 25 March 2012 08:14:05 Allen Winter wrote: > > > > On Saturday 24 March 2012 8:16:28 PM David Faure wrote: > > > > > Hello release team, > > > > > > > > > > How do we get kwebkitpart (separate git module) released together > > > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > rest of KDE SC (rather than "on its own schedule" as it was supposed > > > > > to > > > > > be, in extragear)? > > > > > > > > > > Moving to kde-baseapps would do the job, but this requires replaying > > > > > history, and will create trouble if we ever want to modularize it > > > > > out > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > So is there a simple way to mark it as "part of KDE SC", so that > > > > > it's > > > > > released as a separate tarball, but together with the KDE SC > > > > > releases? > > > > > > > > Why not treat kwebkitpart exactly like we do konsole? > > > > konsole lives in its own repo outside of kde-baseapps, but is > > > > conceptually > > > > part of kde-baseapps. > > > > > > That would be perfect, indeed. > > > > > > > Todo: > > > > 1) In the projects.kde.org database, we would need to make kwebkitpart > > > > a > > > > child of kde-baseapps. > > > > > > Who can do that? Do I need to file a sysadmin request, maybe? > > > > Well, we'd need some discussion first, as if we really want that, should > > we? At least agreement from the kde-baseapps maintainer? That according > > to http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Release_Team is... noone. Great stuff > > :-) > > > > I'll go back to my cave now. > > LOL. > > Well, it was discussed between the kwebkitpart maintainer (Dawit) and the > konqueror maintainer (me). If this was still the cvs or svn days, I would > have imported kwebkitpart into the konqueror subdir, and it would be done > already. With git I see value in keep the repo separate, hence the > discussion here. > > But I'm not sure which big debate you want around this -- it's the practical > solution from a technical point of view, to prevent lots of ugly "ifdef > KDE_VERSION..." when adding new integration stuff to all of kdelibs/kparts, > khtml, kwebkitpart and konqueror. By releasing it all together, we don't > have to always add ifdefs and fallbacks for older versions of kdelibs. The technical point of view is not enough to guarantee something being part of the KDE SC, otherwise i could argue the same thing (don't want to have ugly KDE_VERSION around) for some obscure program only I would use. Cheers, Albert ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Sunday 25 March 2012 23:40:28 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > El Diumenge, 25 de març de 2012, a les 23:29:14, David Faure va escriure: > > On Sunday 25 March 2012 08:14:05 Allen Winter wrote: > > > On Saturday 24 March 2012 8:16:28 PM David Faure wrote: > > > > Hello release team, > > > > > > > > How do we get kwebkitpart (separate git module) released together with > > > > the > > > > rest of KDE SC (rather than "on its own schedule" as it was supposed > > > > to > > > > be, in extragear)? > > > > > > > > Moving to kde-baseapps would do the job, but this requires replaying > > > > history, and will create trouble if we ever want to modularize it out > > > > again. > > > > > > > > So is there a simple way to mark it as "part of KDE SC", so that it's > > > > released as a separate tarball, but together with the KDE SC releases? > > > > > > Why not treat kwebkitpart exactly like we do konsole? > > > konsole lives in its own repo outside of kde-baseapps, but is > > > conceptually > > > part of kde-baseapps. > > > > That would be perfect, indeed. > > > > > Todo: > > > 1) In the projects.kde.org database, we would need to make kwebkitpart a > > > child of kde-baseapps. > > > > Who can do that? Do I need to file a sysadmin request, maybe? > > Well, we'd need some discussion first, as if we really want that, should we? > At least agreement from the kde-baseapps maintainer? That according to > http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Release_Team is... noone. Great stuff :-) > > I'll go back to my cave now. LOL. Well, it was discussed between the kwebkitpart maintainer (Dawit) and the konqueror maintainer (me). If this was still the cvs or svn days, I would have imported kwebkitpart into the konqueror subdir, and it would be done already. With git I see value in keep the repo separate, hence the discussion here. But I'm not sure which big debate you want around this -- it's the practical solution from a technical point of view, to prevent lots of ugly "ifdef KDE_VERSION..." when adding new integration stuff to all of kdelibs/kparts, khtml, kwebkitpart and konqueror. By releasing it all together, we don't have to always add ifdefs and fallbacks for older versions of kdelibs. -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr Sponsored by Nokia to work on KDE, incl. KDE Frameworks 5 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Sunday, March 25, 2012 08:14:05 Allen Winter wrote: > On Saturday 24 March 2012 8:16:28 PM David Faure wrote: > > Moving to kde-baseapps would do the job, but this requires replaying > > history, and will create trouble if we ever want to modularize it out > > again. > > > > So is there a simple way to mark it as "part of KDE SC", so that it's > > released as a separate tarball, but together with the KDE SC releases? > > Why not treat kwebkitpart exactly like we do konsole? > konsole lives in its own repo outside of kde-baseapps, but is conceptually > part of kde-baseapps. > > Todo: > 1) In the projects.kde.org database, we would need to make kwebkitpart a > child of kde-baseapps. > 2) ask Dirk to add it to the SC releases from 4.9 > and in the future If we do this, ideally we would also mark kwebkitpart as dependent on kde- baseapps in the kde-build-metadata.git repo. This will prevent tools like kdesrc-build or some of our continuous integration testing software from trying to build kwebkitpart first (which would prevent cloning kde-baseapps). Actually, I can do this now just in case we do it anyways (it would have no effect until kwebkitpart is moved to "kde/kde-baseapps/kwebkitpart"). If we end up not going through with this please let me know so I can back out the change though. ;) Regards, - Michael Pyne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
El Diumenge, 25 de març de 2012, a les 22:12:13, Sune Vuorela va escriure: > On 2012-03-25, David Faure wrote: > >> Todo: > >> 1) In the projects.kde.org database, we would need to make kwebkitpart a > >> child of kde-baseapps. > > > > Who can do that? Do I need to file a sysadmin request, maybe? > > Yep. I would expect it to have to go over kdereview ... It's in extragear, it already had it's kdereview phase. Albert > > /Sune > > ___ > release-team mailing list > release-team@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On 2012-03-25, David Faure wrote: >> Todo: >> 1) In the projects.kde.org database, we would need to make kwebkitpart a >> child of kde-baseapps. > > Who can do that? Do I need to file a sysadmin request, maybe? Yep. I would expect it to have to go over kdereview ... /Sune ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
El Diumenge, 25 de març de 2012, a les 23:29:14, David Faure va escriure: > On Sunday 25 March 2012 08:14:05 Allen Winter wrote: > > On Saturday 24 March 2012 8:16:28 PM David Faure wrote: > > > Hello release team, > > > > > > How do we get kwebkitpart (separate git module) released together with > > > the > > > rest of KDE SC (rather than "on its own schedule" as it was supposed to > > > be, in extragear)? > > > > > > Moving to kde-baseapps would do the job, but this requires replaying > > > history, and will create trouble if we ever want to modularize it out > > > again. > > > > > > So is there a simple way to mark it as "part of KDE SC", so that it's > > > released as a separate tarball, but together with the KDE SC releases? > > > > Why not treat kwebkitpart exactly like we do konsole? > > konsole lives in its own repo outside of kde-baseapps, but is conceptually > > part of kde-baseapps. > > That would be perfect, indeed. > > > Todo: > > 1) In the projects.kde.org database, we would need to make kwebkitpart a > > child of kde-baseapps. > > Who can do that? Do I need to file a sysadmin request, maybe? Well, we'd need some discussion first, as if we really want that, should we? At least agreement from the kde-baseapps maintainer? That according to http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Release_Team is... noone. Great stuff :-) I'll go back to my cave now. Cheers, Albert > > > 2) ask Dirk to add it to the SC releases from 4.9 > > and in the future > > Are there scripts in svn where we can add this ourselves, to prevent the > "let's hope dirk reads this" situation? :-) > > Ideally projects.kde.org should be used in these scripts, in fact, so that > it happens automatically. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Sunday 25 March 2012 08:14:05 Allen Winter wrote: > On Saturday 24 March 2012 8:16:28 PM David Faure wrote: > > Hello release team, > > > > How do we get kwebkitpart (separate git module) released together with the > > rest of KDE SC (rather than "on its own schedule" as it was supposed to > > be, in extragear)? > > > > Moving to kde-baseapps would do the job, but this requires replaying > > history, and will create trouble if we ever want to modularize it out > > again. > > > > So is there a simple way to mark it as "part of KDE SC", so that it's > > released as a separate tarball, but together with the KDE SC releases? > > Why not treat kwebkitpart exactly like we do konsole? > konsole lives in its own repo outside of kde-baseapps, but is conceptually > part of kde-baseapps. That would be perfect, indeed. > Todo: > 1) In the projects.kde.org database, we would need to make kwebkitpart a > child of kde-baseapps. Who can do that? Do I need to file a sysadmin request, maybe? > 2) ask Dirk to add it to the SC releases from 4.9 > and in the future Are there scripts in svn where we can add this ourselves, to prevent the "let's hope dirk reads this" situation? :-) Ideally projects.kde.org should be used in these scripts, in fact, so that it happens automatically. -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr Sponsored by Nokia to work on KDE, incl. KDE Frameworks 5 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: adding kwebkitpart to KDE SC
On Saturday 24 March 2012 8:16:28 PM David Faure wrote: > Hello release team, > > How do we get kwebkitpart (separate git module) released together with the > rest of KDE SC (rather than "on its own schedule" as it was supposed to be, > in > extragear)? > > Moving to kde-baseapps would do the job, but this requires replaying history, > and will create trouble if we ever want to modularize it out again. > > So is there a simple way to mark it as "part of KDE SC", so that it's > released > as a separate tarball, but together with the KDE SC releases? > > Why not treat kwebkitpart exactly like we do konsole? konsole lives in its own repo outside of kde-baseapps, but is conceptually part of kde-baseapps. Todo: 1) In the projects.kde.org database, we would need to make kwebkitpart a child of kde-baseapps. 2) ask Dirk to add it to the SC releases from 4.9 and in the future ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
