Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Tuesday, 25. September 2007, Tom Albers wrote: > > > So how about we delay beta3 by 1 week? > > Sounds reasonable to me. fine with me . Thanks, Dirk ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
At Tuesday 25 September 2007 22:31, you wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Cyrille Berger wrote: > > On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > > this is obviously problematic for beta releases of kde since there > > > wouldn't be a stable release =) seems we do need to just track which apps > > > to release betas for. perhaps a techbase Projects page would work for > > > this, or perhaps some other svn strategy? > > > > You can use svn:externals for that, I think. Just create a directory, add > > applications you want to release in the beta as svn:externals. So each time > > you want to tag a beta, tagging this directory should do what you want. > > mm.. yes, that's a good idea =) Indeed. Without objections, I'm happy to set this up, document it and communicate it to the keg-ml. Where in svn should we create the structure? /trunk/extragear/release ? Dirk, do you agree? Toma -- http://www.mailody.net___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Cyrille Berger wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > this is obviously problematic for beta releases of kde since there > > wouldn't be a stable release =) seems we do need to just track which apps > > to release betas for. perhaps a techbase Projects page would work for > > this, or perhaps some other svn strategy? > > You can use svn:externals for that, I think. Just create a directory, add > applications you want to release in the beta as svn:externals. So each time > you want to tag a beta, tagging this directory should do what you want. mm.. yes, that's a good idea =) -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Trolltech pgpdhN209gdGp.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > this is obviously problematic for beta releases of kde since there wouldn't > be a stable release =) seems we do need to just track which apps to release > betas for. perhaps a techbase Projects page would work for this, or perhaps > some other svn strategy? You can use svn:externals for that, I think. Just create a directory, add applications you want to release in the beta as svn:externals. So each time you want to tag a beta, tagging this directory should do what you want. -- Cyrille Berger ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Tom Albers wrote: > Op ma 24 sep 2007 23:22 schreef u: > Do you happen to know who I can talk to about alt-tab? kwin people > > beyond plasma land, i would -really- like to be able to tag extragear > > apps as well. so IF we do tag a beta3, i would personally like to help > > tag some of extragear; kdegraphics at a *bare* minimum. please let me > > know how to coordinate that with you. > > The stuff I moved out kdeaddons needs to be released regularry as well, is > there a wiki page for that to add those to? I'll ask Helio. Helio is in Africa for the next couple months and not overly available. that said, i don't know of a wiki page for this, however AFAIK the plan was this: we'd create a (moving) tag that app authors could apply to their app for the last given stable release which we'd then release... this is obviously problematic for beta releases of kde since there wouldn't be a stable release =) seems we do need to just track which apps to release betas for. perhaps a techbase Projects page would work for this, or perhaps some other svn strategy? -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Trolltech pgpMeNGjc8fYM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 19:33:39 Tom Albers wrote: > Do you happen to know who I can talk to about alt-tab? Lubos? -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
Op ma 24 sep 2007 23:22 schreef u: > i could go as simple as porting the kicker kmenu in all it's crapitude (it's > the easiest thing to do, but would be dissapointing). Yes very. > also, alt-tab has NOTHING to do with plasma. so don't go blaming plasma for > that ;) You are right. Sorry if I gave the impression that I blamed it all on Plasma. It was just the global state of KDE4 which I wanted to discuss. Do you happen to know who I can talk to about alt-tab? > as for the applets crashing, backtraces would be nice. be sure you've > actually > rebuilt them, of course, as the API for libplasma still changes from time to > time requiring applets written in C++ to be rebuilt... Ok, I will try again next weekend. > beyond plasma land, i would -really- like to be able to tag extragear apps as > well. so IF we do tag a beta3, i would personally like to help tag some of > extragear; kdegraphics at a *bare* minimum. please let me know how to > coordinate that with you. The stuff I moved out kdeaddons needs to be released regularry as well, is there a wiki page for that to add those to? I'll ask Helio. Toma___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
At Tuesday 25 September 2007 16:09, you wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2007 16:02:29 Allen Winter wrote: > > On Monday 24 September 2007 6:25:10 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > > On Monday 24 September 2007, Allen Winter wrote: > > > > Aaron: we know there is an awful lot of pressure on you. Not fair. > > > > But, can you give us an estimate of a somewhat-operational Plasma > > > > panel? 2 weeks? 2 months? 6 months? > > > > > > Robert K. just finished a functional port of kick off. it's not perfect > > > from a plasma perspective, but it is at least something workable. > > > > > > the breakages in the panel support are Well Known(tm) and have Known > > > Fixes(tm) and should be completed this week ... well, in fact, it should > > > be much better than what was there last week for that matter. (e.g. > > > multiple panels again, woo!) > > > > So how about we delay beta3 by 1 week? > > Sounds reasonable to me. +1 Toma -- http://www.mailody.net___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 16:02:29 Allen Winter wrote: > On Monday 24 September 2007 6:25:10 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > On Monday 24 September 2007, Allen Winter wrote: > > > Aaron: we know there is an awful lot of pressure on you. Not fair. > > > But, can you give us an estimate of a somewhat-operational Plasma > > > panel? 2 weeks? 2 months? 6 months? > > > > Robert K. just finished a functional port of kick off. it's not perfect > > from a plasma perspective, but it is at least something workable. > > > > the breakages in the panel support are Well Known(tm) and have Known > > Fixes(tm) and should be completed this week ... well, in fact, it should > > be much better than what was there last week for that matter. (e.g. > > multiple panels again, woo!) > > So how about we delay beta3 by 1 week? Sounds reasonable to me. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Monday 24 September 2007 6:25:10 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Monday 24 September 2007, Allen Winter wrote: > > Aaron: we know there is an awful lot of pressure on you. Not fair. > > But, can you give us an estimate of a somewhat-operational Plasma panel? > > 2 weeks? 2 months? 6 months? > > Robert K. just finished a functional port of kick off. it's not perfect from > a > plasma perspective, but it is at least something workable. > > the breakages in the panel support are Well Known(tm) and have Known > Fixes(tm) > and should be completed this week ... well, in fact, it should be much better > than what was there last week for that matter. (e.g. multiple panels again, > woo!) > So how about we delay beta3 by 1 week? ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Monday 24 September 2007, Allen Winter wrote: > Aaron: we know there is an awful lot of pressure on you. Not fair. > But, can you give us an estimate of a somewhat-operational Plasma panel? > 2 weeks? 2 months? 6 months? Robert K. just finished a functional port of kick off. it's not perfect from a plasma perspective, but it is at least something workable. the breakages in the panel support are Well Known(tm) and have Known Fixes(tm) and should be completed this week ... well, in fact, it should be much better than what was there last week for that matter. (e.g. multiple panels again, woo!) panels really aren't something overly special in plasma, just another view on the data (the scene), which makes this somewhat easier to do. that said, we do have a good amount of work on the taskbar and system tray left to do as well. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Trolltech pgpQ4MUOPph1m.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Monday 24 September 2007 5:22:13 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Sunday 23 September 2007, Tom Albers wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In an effort to see how things look just before the tagging (beta 3 is > > planned to be tagged the 26th), I checked out and build KDE4. > > > > I just wanted to let you know that currently there is no panel and no start > > menu. That means everything has to be done by krunner. A lot of plasma > > applets I tried made plasma crash and alt-tab was barely usable. I know > > kde4 is about much more that plasma, but the user experience is currently > > not very good. In my opinion it would be a mistake to tag KDE in this > > state. And I'm almost crying when I say this. > > one could simply tag workspace/libs/plasma and workspace/plasma from a week > ago... then you get a panel, but still no working applications menu as that > never was there. that's next on my list of things to do; unfortunately the > other two groups that may have been working on such a thing have failed to > produce anything useful for kde 4.0. =( so it's one more thing for me to do; > i could go as simple as porting the kicker kmenu in all it's crapitude (it's > the easiest thing to do, but would be dissapointing). > I don't think we should have another beta without a panel. And it shouldn't be old stuff either. It should be new goodness. My opinion: delay the next beta until we have a more functional workspace. Aaron: we know there is an awful lot of pressure on you. Not fair. But, can you give us an estimate of a somewhat-operational Plasma panel? 2 weeks? 2 months? 6 months? If 2 weeks, maybe we can delay the beta a bit. If 2 months, might as well have the next beta on schedule. If 6 months, we can delay the next beta a couple months. -Allen ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Sunday 23 September 2007, Tom Albers wrote: > Hi, > > In an effort to see how things look just before the tagging (beta 3 is > planned to be tagged the 26th), I checked out and build KDE4. > > I just wanted to let you know that currently there is no panel and no start > menu. That means everything has to be done by krunner. A lot of plasma > applets I tried made plasma crash and alt-tab was barely usable. I know > kde4 is about much more that plasma, but the user experience is currently > not very good. In my opinion it would be a mistake to tag KDE in this > state. And I'm almost crying when I say this. one could simply tag workspace/libs/plasma and workspace/plasma from a week ago... then you get a panel, but still no working applications menu as that never was there. that's next on my list of things to do; unfortunately the other two groups that may have been working on such a thing have failed to produce anything useful for kde 4.0. =( so it's one more thing for me to do; i could go as simple as porting the kicker kmenu in all it's crapitude (it's the easiest thing to do, but would be dissapointing). also, alt-tab has NOTHING to do with plasma. so don't go blaming plasma for that ;) as for the applets crashing, backtraces would be nice. be sure you've actually rebuilt them, of course, as the API for libplasma still changes from time to time requiring applets written in C++ to be rebuilt... beyond plasma land, i would -really- like to be able to tag extragear apps as well. so IF we do tag a beta3, i would personally like to help tag some of extragear; kdegraphics at a *bare* minimum. please let me know how to coordinate that with you. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Trolltech pgpQMhaoIZa3S.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
On Sunday, 23. September 2007, Tom Albers wrote: > not very good. In my opinion it would be a mistake to tag KDE in this > state. And I'm almost crying when I say this. well, I agree that we shouldn`t name it beta3. we could name it beta 2.5, or "Oktoberfest-release" or whatever. I`m still all for doing another snapshot on wednesday. Greetings, Dirk ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
Hello; > I just wanted to let you know that currently there is no panel and no start > menu. That means everything has to be done by krunner. A lot of plasma > applets I tried made plasma crash and alt-tab was barely usable. I know > kde4 is about much more that plasma, but the user experience is currently > not very good. In my opinion it would be a mistake to tag KDE in this > state. And I'm almost crying when I say this. Yes I agree with you, for next beta having a menu to launch other KDE4 applications is a must have. And about KDE4 is much more that plasma, it's also the only thing an user might be able to test if he doesn't have the sense to right-click on the desktop. My first attempt to run KDE4 desktop was with last beta, and at first I couldn't find how to launch application, so I just played with a few applets and that's all. Last week I tried again (with my own build), that's only then I found out that right click on the desktop allows me to run an application (I know that's also the case in KDE3, but I never use kdesktop's popup menu). So, I wonder how many people try KDE4's beta and didn't know how to launch applications, and just played with plasma (and probably found it nice), and so couldn't even try other applications (which is a shame as quiet a few are nearly ready, I am thinking kdegames and kdeedu). -- Cyrille Berger ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
Am Sonntag, 23. September 2007 16:58 schrieb Mario Fux: Good morning [snip] > So if you think I could help anywhere in the communication and coordination > process I'd love to help and so finally me whole "kde mailinglist > subscription fullness" would be of any use ;-). I think this sentence is barely understandable: I meant: my whole "kde mailinglist subscription foolness"... [snip] griits Mario ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: Tagging beta 3.
Am Sonntag, 23. September 2007 14:31 schrieb Tom Albers: > Hi, Good morning I'm lurking on this list since some time (approx. March this year) and several other KDE lists and I think that my overview over your release and tagging process is not that bad and hope the following will be seen as constructive criticism (considering my bad english as well ;-). I appreciate your work very much and if you think I'm too harsh or something like this, just ignore me. > In an effort to see how things look just before the tagging (beta 3 is > planned to be tagged the 26th), I checked out and build KDE4. > > I just wanted to let you know that currently there is no panel and no start > menu. That means everything has to be done by krunner. A lot of plasma > applets I tried made plasma crash and alt-tab was barely usable. I know > kde4 is about much more that plasma, but the user experience is currently > not very good. In my opinion it would be a mistake to tag KDE in this > state. And I'm almost crying when I say this. There are always the same or similar things before a release. Some particular things which are needed don't work. It's recognized here on this list but seldomly communicated to the corresponding project or its mailinglist respectively. I think there should from time to time some better and more coordinated communication which means e.g. for this case the you (we) communicate this problem to the Plasma project and see what they think about it and what they can do to solve "our" problem. As you see I sometimes wrote "we" or "our" which means that I would be willing and like to help in this particular communication work. I'm subscribed to the following mailinglist which I think I can estimate the current status of these projects: - kde-announce - kde-core-devel (don't have a full overview) - kde-devel (same as above) - kde-edu (more or less overview) - kde-hardware-devel (overview, atm low traffic) - kde-multimedia (overview, atm low traffic) - kde-pim (more or less overview) - kde-promo (more or less overview) - kde-quality (more or less overview) - kde-release-team (overview) - kde-windows (more or less overview) - kfm-devel (more or less overview) - koffice-devel (more or less overview) - panel-devel (plasma, more or less overview) In general I think I have a quite good overview over the current project state even if it's quite superficial (and not that technical). So if you think I could help anywhere in the communication and coordination process I'd love to help and so finally me whole "kde mailinglist subscription fullness" would be of any use ;-). My first work could be the communication with the plasma project about what they think of the panel and kmenu stuff. > Best, > Toma Griits from Switzerland and thanks for everything ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Tagging beta 3.
Hi, In an effort to see how things look just before the tagging (beta 3 is planned to be tagged the 26th), I checked out and build KDE4. I just wanted to let you know that currently there is no panel and no start menu. That means everything has to be done by krunner. A lot of plasma applets I tried made plasma crash and alt-tab was barely usable. I know kde4 is about much more that plasma, but the user experience is currently not very good. In my opinion it would be a mistake to tag KDE in this state. And I'm almost crying when I say this. Best, Toma___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
