Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View from Montgomery County

2004-07-01 Thread Marty Lederman




Sorry: The font on that 
post came through garbled for some reason. Here it is again. 

I agree with Eugene that there’s 
not much of a “compelled speech” problem here, for reasons the Court explained 
in Southworth. (Of course, it’s not quite as easy as 
that, because of cases such as Dale, 
Abood and United Foods, which find 
compelled-speech problems in the unlikeliest of places. But those cases are in my view wrongly 
decided.) To be sure, “carrying” a 
message presents more significant compelled-speech problems than does paying for 
it, see Wooley. But in this case, the flyer would be 
contained in a sealed envelope, which is a far cry from a license plate, 
whatever one thinks of Wooley. For similar reasons, I’m not terribly 
persuaded by Judge Michael’s dissenting view that permitting insertion of Good 
News Club flyers would coerce students to engage in religious activity, as in Lee v. Weisman.

Nevertheless, I think the case is 
not as clear-cut as it appears at first; but the reasons why that is so are 
obscured by the (questionable) way in which the case was litigated. (Disclosure: I live in Montgomery County and my 
children are students in the School District; but until reading the decision 
today I had very little inkling of the facts of the case or how it was being 
litigated.)

The court finds without much 
effort that the School District’s exclusion of the Good News Club flyers would 
be a Free Speech Clause violation if there were no Establishment Clause bar to 
distributing the flyers. This 
conclusion is not surprising, because the School District conceded that 
its exclusion of the flyers – which would announce Good News Club meetings -- 
was unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination “under controlling 
precedent.” Slip op. at 7. That concession was probably 
ill-advised. I think the Free 
Speech Clause question is much more complicated than the District and the court 
assumed it to be, wholly apart from Wooley and any issue of compelled 
speech. Just as did the Supreme 
Court in Rosenberger, the court in 
this case incorrectly assumed 
that the school permits virtually all types of nonprofit speech (except 
religious speech), including most any controversial _expression_, to be conveyed 
to students and parents in the relevant “program.” That assumption is mistaken.

The School District policy in 
question does not permit all nonprofit groups to 
distribute whatever literature they choose. That is to say, it is not a public 
forum, nor analogous to one. The 
policy states that “[a]nnouncements of educational services or cultural or 
recreational programs directly related 
to the educational program may be made available to students” provided 
that the organization sponsoring the announcement is not-for-profit “and 
the announcement is approved for distribution by either the director for 
School Administration or the deputy superintendent of schools.” Thus, groups may distribute literature 
only if (i) it is “directly related to the educational program,” and (ii) 
it is “approved” for distribution by a school official, who is presumably 
entrusted with some discretion 
in the matter.

Under any reasonable 
understanding, announcements of religious meetings are not “directly related to the educational 
program,” because, whatever else that criterion means, it must not encompass invitation to 
participation in religious activities – _expression_ that the School District 
itself is constitutionally forbidden from conveying as part of its “educational 
program.”

That, frankly, should be end of 
the Free Speech claim, and thus the end of the case, except that it appears that 
in practice, the School 
District’s enforcement of the “directly related” criterion is a bit 
counterintutive. According to the 
DOJ Brief (which is the only brief I could find online -- 
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/briefs/cef_montgomery.pdf), “[m]aterials distributed under this policy (or 
under any of the other written or unwritten policies followed by the Board) have 
included advertisements for a variety of activities, including adult education 
classes, cultural events such as plays and ‘Earth Day’ celebrations, athletic 
league try-outs, and charitable activities such as clothing and food drives.” 
I suppose that perhaps those advertisements are in some 
attenuated sense “directly related” to our schools’ educational program -- 
although frankly, they seem to me indirectly related, at best. Nevertheless, if “directly related” 
simply means the sort of speech that school teachers themselves would be 
permitted to make to their students – which is how the criterion appears to 
have been understood in practice -- then these school-approved advertisements 
satisfy, at least for the most part, the criterion in a way that invitation to 
bible study would not. See Mergens, 496 U.S. at 265-66 (Marshall, 
J., concurring in the judgment) (“although a school may permissibly encourage 
its students to become well rounded 

RE: Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View fromMontgomery County

2004-07-01 Thread marc stern
Title: Message








In earlier case, Peck v Upshur County, dealing
with distribution of literature to students from tables-a policy far preferable
to the one upheld yesterday by the Fourth Circuitthe Fourth Circuit held
that a public forum was created by the school when it allowed distribution of
community literature even though it reserved the right to exclude material inconsistent
with the schools educational policy. Yesterdays decision rests on
the same idea-one I think at odds with the notion of a public forum.

In Peck, the Court held equal access
rights did not apply to elementary school students-a holding sub silentio
overruled in the Montgomery
 County case.

Marc Stern











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Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View fromMontgomery
 County







1. For example, it's entirely possible for
the school to have content-neutral standards of review for the
announcements.











Of course it is. But no school in the Nation does.Indeed,
no school is even viewpoint-neutral. It is virtually unthinkable that a
school would permit distribution in student backpacks of many, many forms of
content/viewpoint -- for instance, all those that are entitled to second-class
mailing privileges(Hannegan v. Esquire) or all those that are entitledaccess
to a public forum.











2. Instead
of concluding there is no viewpoint discrimination, the more logical answer is
that both excluded speakers should have a claim under the Free Speech
Clause.











My claim was not that there is no viewpoint discrimination:
My argumentis that there is tons of viewpoint
discrimination in such programs, constantly, and that there's
nothing constitutionally problematic about it. You are
correct,however, that the upshot of the CTA4 decision is that
both -- that is to say, all -- excluded speakers now have a claim
under the Free Exercise Clause: The Bush and Kerry (and Nader, and Young
Socialist Workers, and . . . )campaigns, the NRA, NARAL, the Bad News Club, etc.,
etc. -- loads of _expression_that is entirely inappropriate for a public
school to be facilitatingto their charges. And thus we see the end
of the program.











3.Surely if a school
had a release time program [teachers in classrooms] could make an annoucement
about that. 











An announcement that the bus is there to drive
kids to the religious school -- maybe. An announcement such
as that on the flyers in this case, i.e., an advertisement for religious
programs? I think not. Teachers often -- and quite appropriately --
encourage their students to do this, that and the other thing after school or
over the summer. But they may not advise their students to adopt certain
religious precepts, or to check out certain religious clubs.











The obvious elephant in the middle of the room in these
cases, onethat the courts (and litigants) tend for some reason to ignore,
is the simple fact that schoolsdo censor the speech with
which they are associated -- especially when the association is (or is likely
to be perceived as) especially strong, as when schools send information home
with students. The censorship is not in order to disfavorreligious
(or any other) viewpoints, but instead simply to avoid facilitating messages
that are likely to be controversial or to be seen as inappropriate by parents.
So Kerry for President, the Klan, Planned Parenthood's exhortation to use birth
control, some other group's exhortation to abstinence -- all will be screened
out by virtuallyevery public school system in the country. Not
because the school disapproves -- andno one should assume otherwise --
but because the school does not want to be associated, however loosely, with
encouraging its students to adopt or to reject any divisive or controversial
viewpoint. 









That is the baseline against which an exclusion ofthe
Good News flyer has to be measured -- not some hypotheticalbaseline under
which schools do not, or are not permitted to, do such screening (however much
some might wish that that were, in fact, the rule). And against that
baseline, exclusion of theGood News flyer should be unproblematic --
while inclusiongives
religious speech a preferred status enjoyed by no (or almost no) other
political or controversial speech.









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At least3 assumptions in Marty's
postbelow seem problematic to me:



First, the assumption that one must
conclude that theschool officially endorses the content of the
annoucement because it looked it over first before allowing it to be
distributed. Why is this so? For example, it's entirely 

RE: Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View fromMontgomery County

2004-07-01 Thread Douglas Laycock
Marty says they allowed 389 out of 402 requests.  That is 
consistent with applying a child-adjusted compelling interest test, 
rejecting only those that violate Tinker or Bethel, and probably a few more 
that the school finds objectionable on some ground that it might or might 
not be able to defend.  Approving that many is not consistent with 
approving only those that the school itself endorses or only those that 
relate directly to the curriculum.  To claim that they can allow that many 
private groups to speak, and still retain unrestrained discretion to pick 
and choose on the basis of viewpoint, is to create a new category that does 
not exist in the Supreme Court's public forum jurisprudence.  If that 
category were created, schools could play favorites however they wanted.

The flyers are sent home to parents , and parental permission is 
required for the child to attend the club, as a protection for  children 
and for the authority of parents.  If that step were removed, and the 
flyers just handed to the kids, the compelled speech argument that people 
have been making would disappear.  But from the perspective of those making 
the argument, that should make the program worse, not better.


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Re: Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View from Montgom...

2004-07-01 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 7/1/04 11:36:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

My claim was not that there is no viewpoint discrimination: My argument is that there is tons of viewpoint discrimination in such programs, constantly, and that there's nothing constitutionally problematic about it. 

I heartily concur although my example is perhaps more content discrimination. My daughter's public school, although it has noncurricular clubs, including religious clubs, refused to allow formation of a Young ___ (fill in political party name of choice) Club at the high school. "No [partisan/party-affiliated] political clubs" was the reason given. 

Frances R. A. Paterson, J.D., Ed.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Educational Leadership
Valdosta State University
Valdosta, GA 31698
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RE: Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View fromMontgomery County

2004-07-01 Thread A.E. Brownstein
There is some merit in Doug's argument. But it seems to me there is a real 
problem with a school district stating that it only distributes materials 
directly related to the curriculum that it explicitly approves while at the 
same time having courts conclude that there is no endorsement of the 
material distributed. Perhaps we should only look at what the state does 
and never what at what it says -- but if state disclaimers mean something 
for constitutional purposes than state affirmations ought to mean something 
as well.

The numbers certainly seem to suggest a forum rather than the exercise of 
pedagogical discretion -- but I'm not sure numbers like this are totally 
inconsistent with the school system exercising pedagogical discretion. I 
can imagine a school library having a rule that it will only accept 
donations of pedagogically suitable books and accepting 389 of 402 that are 
donated. Without more, that would not transform the library into a forum.

As for the argument that handing out the flyers to students directly would 
only make things worse. Both of these alternatives may raise different, but 
valid, constitutional concerns. And it isn't as if there aren't a lot of 
alternative ways for private groups using school grounds for expressive 
activities to reach their intended audience -- without using the school 
administration and teachers or other parents' children to deliver their 
message for them.

Alan Brownstein
UC Davis

At 11:24 AM 7/1/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Marty says they allowed 389 out of 402 requests.  That is 
consistent with applying a child-adjusted compelling interest test, 
rejecting only those that violate Tinker or Bethel, and probably a few 
more that the school finds objectionable on some ground that it might or 
might not be able to defend.  Approving that many is not consistent with 
approving only those that the school itself endorses or only those that 
relate directly to the curriculum.  To claim that they can allow that 
many private groups to speak, and still retain unrestrained discretion to 
pick and choose on the basis of viewpoint, is to create a new category 
that does not exist in the Supreme Court's public forum 
jurisprudence.  If that category were created, schools could play 
favorites however they wanted.

The flyers are sent home to parents , and parental permission is 
required for the child to attend the club, as a protection for  children 
and for the authority of parents.  If that step were removed, and the 
flyers just handed to the kids, the compelled speech argument that people 
have been making would disappear.  But from the perspective of those 
making the argument, that should make the program worse, not better.


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Re: B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court case onreligious freedoms

2004-07-01 Thread Nathan Oman
Doug,

Was the condiminium corporation at issue here a public housing facility, or does the 
Charter of Rights apply to private actors as well?

Nate Oman

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 This is not my prose, but someone else's press release -- B'nai 
Brith Canada's I think.  I doubt we could get the same result in many U.S. 
jurisdictions.

B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court case
on religious freedoms

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


June 30, 2004.

MONTREAL - In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court of Canada has upheld
the rights of all Canadians to follow their religious practices without
interference by the courts.

In what is widely seen as an illustration of this point, the Supreme
Court of Canada has ruled that Jewish condominium owners in a Montreal
building have the right to set up their own personal Succahs, temporary
religious huts that are constructed in celebration of the Jewish holiday
of Succot. B'nai Brith Canada's League for Human Rights had intervened
in the matter following the initial refusal of the condominium
corporation to allow observant Jewish residents to construct individual
huts on their own balconies.

Allan Adel, National Chair of B'nai Brith's League for Human Rights,
reacting to the news, stated: We are satisfied with the decision of the
Supreme Court, which has applied a broad interpretation to the Charter
guarantee of freedom of religion and believe it to be in the best
interests of all Canadians. The Succah ruling is an important,
groundbreaking case that champions the cause of religious freedom in
Canada and will have important ramifications well beyond the immediate
facts of the case.

Montreal lawyer Steven Slimovitch along with B'nai Brith's Senior Legal
Counsel David Matas, represented the League before the Court.
Slimovitch, acknowledging that he was pleased with the verdict stated:
This decision sets an important precedent for the exercise of sincerely
held religious beliefs. The High Court has upheld B'nai Brith's argument
that State should not be the final arbiter of religious dogma. Rather,
this must be a private matter set by each individual.



Established in 1875, B'nai Brith is the Canadian Jewish community's
leading human rights agency.




Douglas Laycock
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Austin, TX  78705
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Re: B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court case onreligious freedoms

2004-07-01 Thread Douglas Laycock
I wondered that too, but I don't know the answer.  A reliable 
friend sent me the release, and it contains all I know.

At 03:52 PM 7/1/2004 -0400, you wrote:
Doug,
Was the condiminium corporation at issue here a public housing facility, 
or does the Charter of Rights apply to private actors as well?

Nate Oman
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From: Douglas Laycock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:45:26 -0500
 This is not my prose, but someone else's press release -- B'nai
Brith Canada's I think.  I doubt we could get the same result in many U.S.
jurisdictions.

B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court case
on religious freedoms

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


June 30, 2004.

MONTREAL - In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court of Canada has upheld
the rights of all Canadians to follow their religious practices without
interference by the courts.

In what is widely seen as an illustration of this point, the Supreme
Court of Canada has ruled that Jewish condominium owners in a Montreal
building have the right to set up their own personal Succahs, temporary
religious huts that are constructed in celebration of the Jewish holiday
of Succot. B'nai Brith Canada's League for Human Rights had intervened
in the matter following the initial refusal of the condominium
corporation to allow observant Jewish residents to construct individual
huts on their own balconies.

Allan Adel, National Chair of B'nai Brith's League for Human Rights,
reacting to the news, stated: We are satisfied with the decision of the
Supreme Court, which has applied a broad interpretation to the Charter
guarantee of freedom of religion and believe it to be in the best
interests of all Canadians. The Succah ruling is an important,
groundbreaking case that champions the cause of religious freedom in
Canada and will have important ramifications well beyond the immediate
facts of the case.

Montreal lawyer Steven Slimovitch along with B'nai Brith's Senior Legal
Counsel David Matas, represented the League before the Court.
Slimovitch, acknowledging that he was pleased with the verdict stated:
This decision sets an important precedent for the exercise of sincerely
held religious beliefs. The High Court has upheld B'nai Brith's argument
that State should not be the final arbiter of religious dogma. Rather,
this must be a private matter set by each individual.



Established in 1875, B'nai Brith is the Canadian Jewish community's
leading human rights agency.




Douglas Laycock
University of Texas Law School
727 E. Dean Keeton St.
Austin, TX  78705
 512-232-1341 (voice)
 512-471-6988 (fax)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court caseonreligious freedoms

2004-07-01 Thread marc stern
THE OPINION IS AT 
WWW.LEXUM.UMONTREAL.CA/CSC-SCC/EN/REC/HTML/2004SCC047.WPD.HTM
Marc STERN

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caseonreligious freedoms

Doug,

Was the condiminium corporation at issue here a public housing facility, or
does the Charter of Rights apply to private actors as well?

Nate Oman

-- Original Message --
From: Douglas Laycock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Law  Religion issues for Law Academics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:45:26 -0500

 This is not my prose, but someone else's press release -- B'nai 
Brith Canada's I think.  I doubt we could get the same result in many U.S. 
jurisdictions.

B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court case
on religious freedoms

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


June 30, 2004.

MONTREAL - In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court of Canada has upheld
the rights of all Canadians to follow their religious practices without
interference by the courts.

In what is widely seen as an illustration of this point, the Supreme
Court of Canada has ruled that Jewish condominium owners in a Montreal
building have the right to set up their own personal Succahs, temporary
religious huts that are constructed in celebration of the Jewish holiday
of Succot. B'nai Brith Canada's League for Human Rights had intervened
in the matter following the initial refusal of the condominium
corporation to allow observant Jewish residents to construct individual
huts on their own balconies.

Allan Adel, National Chair of B'nai Brith's League for Human Rights,
reacting to the news, stated: We are satisfied with the decision of the
Supreme Court, which has applied a broad interpretation to the Charter
guarantee of freedom of religion and believe it to be in the best
interests of all Canadians. The Succah ruling is an important,
groundbreaking case that champions the cause of religious freedom in
Canada and will have important ramifications well beyond the immediate
facts of the case.

Montreal lawyer Steven Slimovitch along with B'nai Brith's Senior Legal
Counsel David Matas, represented the League before the Court.
Slimovitch, acknowledging that he was pleased with the verdict stated:
This decision sets an important precedent for the exercise of sincerely
held religious beliefs. The High Court has upheld B'nai Brith's argument
that State should not be the final arbiter of religious dogma. Rather,
this must be a private matter set by each individual.



Established in 1875, B'nai Brith is the Canadian Jewish community's
leading human rights agency.




Douglas Laycock
University of Texas Law School
727 E. Dean Keeton St.
Austin, TX  78705
 512-232-1341 (voice)
 512-471-6988 (fax)
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Re: B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court caseonreligious freedoms

2004-07-01 Thread Paul Horwitz
The Canadian Charter of Rights carries a state action requirement, although 
the contours of state action doctrine differ somewhat from those in the U.S. 
 The B'Nai Brith case was actually decided under a provincial statute, the 
Quebec Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and I am less familiar with whether 
similar state action requirements apply to that law and how.  The Court did 
draw on freedom of religion jurisprudence under the Canadian Charter and 
clearly would apply its substantive conclusions about the nature of freedom 
of religion in the context of the Canadian Charter in future cases.

State action was an indirectly contentious issue in the Court's opinions; 
one Justice, at least, emphasized this point in dissenting.  To the extent 
state action was required here, it appears to have stemmed from the fact 
that the Civil Code of Quebec accords legal status to condominium ownership 
syndicates and grants co-owners free use and enjoyment of [the] private 
portion and of the common portions of the condo, provided he observes the 
by-laws of the immovable and does not impair the rights of the other 
co-owners

Paul Horwitz
Visiting Assistant Professor
University of San Diego School of Law

From: Nathan Oman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Academics [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court 
caseonreligious freedoms
Date: Thu,  1 Jul 2004 15:52:02 -0400

Doug,
Was the condiminium corporation at issue here a public housing facility, or 
does the Charter of Rights apply to private actors as well?

Nate Oman
-- Original Message --
From: Douglas Laycock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Law  Religion issues for Law Academics 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:45:26 -0500

 This is not my prose, but someone else's press release -- B'nai
Brith Canada's I think.  I doubt we could get the same result in many 
U.S.
jurisdictions.

B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court case
on religious freedoms

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


June 30, 2004.

MONTREAL - In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court of Canada has upheld
the rights of all Canadians to follow their religious practices without
interference by the courts.

In what is widely seen as an illustration of this point, the Supreme
Court of Canada has ruled that Jewish condominium owners in a Montreal
building have the right to set up their own personal Succahs, temporary
religious huts that are constructed in celebration of the Jewish holiday
of Succot. B'nai Brith Canada's League for Human Rights had intervened
in the matter following the initial refusal of the condominium
corporation to allow observant Jewish residents to construct individual
huts on their own balconies.

Allan Adel, National Chair of B'nai Brith's League for Human Rights,
reacting to the news, stated: We are satisfied with the decision of the
Supreme Court, which has applied a broad interpretation to the Charter
guarantee of freedom of religion and believe it to be in the best
interests of all Canadians. The Succah ruling is an important,
groundbreaking case that champions the cause of religious freedom in
Canada and will have important ramifications well beyond the immediate
facts of the case.

Montreal lawyer Steven Slimovitch along with B'nai Brith's Senior Legal
Counsel David Matas, represented the League before the Court.
Slimovitch, acknowledging that he was pleased with the verdict stated:
This decision sets an important precedent for the exercise of sincerely
held religious beliefs. The High Court has upheld B'nai Brith's argument
that State should not be the final arbiter of religious dogma. Rather,
this must be a private matter set by each individual.



Established in 1875, B'nai Brith is the Canadian Jewish community's
leading human rights agency.




Douglas Laycock
University of Texas Law School
727 E. Dean Keeton St.
Austin, TX  78705
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