Hillel's assumption that "Jewish laws relating to sexual modesty have embedded within them, and reinforce, certain [negative] assumptions and norms about women's and girls' bodies [that are contrary to public policy]" is both incorrect and not widely held by those who observe those laws. The laws have a rather different purpose, one certainly not contrary to public policy, that was shared broadly by civil society until the 1950s. I would be interested to learn from where Hillel's assumption derives.

In any event, even if Hillel's assumption were arguably correct, it would still be inappropriate, as Eugene inquires, for a judge (or, for that matter, any third-party decision-maker) to use that assumption to bias his decisions. A civil judge cannot be in the position of deciding religious questions or determining the contours of religious law. For one to conclude that "Jewish laws relating to sexual modesty have embedded within them, and reinforce, certain [negative] assumptions," he would need to have a deep and rather sophisticated understanding not just of what those Jewish laws require, but also where they come from, why they exist, and how they impact those who follow them. That inquiry necessarily intrudes deeply into religious thought. Even if a civil judge were able to perform that inquiry properly and reach an accurate conclusion, it is not a proper role for that judge.

Moreover, as I intimated in my first paragraph, the assumption that Hillel reaches is contrary to the purpose and objective behind Jewish modesty laws as generally understood by its adherents. As a result, using the assumption to guide judicial decision-making would not merely improperly impose physical burdens on the religious adherents, it would also impose on them an alternative understanding as to what their religious laws actually mean. If the women (and men) who willingly subject themselves to religious modesty laws understand those laws as _not_ as reinforcing norms and assumptions that are contrary to public policy (broadly defined), why should the contrary, and possibly unfounded, assumptions of a judge (or anyone) play any role at all in determining their entitlement to observe that law at state expense? And what authority does a civil judge have to tell them that their laws have some alternative purpose or function?

Similarly, false advertising and other claims against kosher certifying agencies and food manufacturers that produce food labeled "kosher," despite not being kosher from the perspective of the plaintiff, fail precisely because civil courts lack the authority to determine how Jewish law operates or whether a given food item is kosher under Jewish law. It certainly follows that courts lack the authority to determine the purpose underlying the laws of kashrut--say, perhaps, to promote hygiene--and then use that assumption to resolve related matters. Indeed, permitting a court to decide the _why_ behind religious law is a greater intrusion into the religious sphere than permitting a court to decide the _what_.

That analysis applies no differently when discussing religious laws governing modesty, regardless of the popularity of those laws in civil society.

Meir Katz


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From: "Volokh, Eugene" <vol...@law.ucla.edu>
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Hillel Levin writes:



My primary opposition to the gender-segregated swim hours is not simply the 
formal segregation of the sexes and the practical burdens this may pose on 
people. Rather, it is that the Jewish laws relating to sexual modesty have 
embedded within them, and reinforce, certain assumptions and norms about 
women's and girls' bodies. I don't think the law should reflect, reinforce, or 
send those messages in public spaces.



Setting this aside as a basis for political opposition, are courts allowed to 
consider the underlying assumptions and norms that may be said to be embedded 
in religious laws?  Say that in town J, there are many Orthodox Jews, and many 
Orthodox women want single-sex swim hours because of Jewish laws that are based 
on, and ?reinforce? ?certain assumptions and norms about women?s and girls? 
bodies.?  Say that in town W, there are many Wiccan Goddess-worshippers, and 
many women who belong to that group want single-sex swim hours because they 
believe women should spend more time celebrating and improving their bodies 
free of male observation and the self-consciousness and body image problems 
that it brings.  And say that in town S, there are many secular people, and 
many women in that town like single-sex swim hours for the secular reasons 
given in the Livingwell case I mentioned before.



Could it be that courts might uphold the single-sex pool hours in town W and 
maybe town S, because the women?s preferences are based on good assumptions and 
norms about women?s bodied, but reject them in town J because the judges think 
that Jewish law is based on bad assumptions and preferences?



Eugene


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