Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com
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The really interesting aspect of this is the way in undermines religion for those who take it seriously. Does this mean that IF there is a terrorist attack in KY that God no longer cares about Kentucky? GW Bush was arguably the most religious president to ever sit in the office; lof of good it did us on Sept. 11. This reminds me of when I first moved to Oklahoma, in the summer of 1999; there was a serious drought in the state. The Governor did not ask the people to conserve water or stop washing their cars or watering their lawns every day. Instead, he asked everyone to reserve the following Sunday to pray for rain at their church. I suppose that exempted Jews, Seventh Adventists, Moslems, and some others from worrying about the problem Alas, it also gave of fabulous proof of the efficacy of prayer. They all prayed on Sunday and guess what -- It did not rain for weeks or maybe even months. So much for the power of prayer when the government tried to commandeer religion for its own political ends. The Baptists -- of all faiths -- those who started with Roger WIlliams and were whipped and jailed in post-Revolutionary Virginia -- should have the good sense NOT to corrupt their faith by allowing politicians to score points. Paul Finkelman President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law Albany Law School 80 New Scotland Avenue Albany, NY 12208 518-445-3386 (p) 518-445-3363 (f) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.paulfinkelman.com --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com To: Religionlaw religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:01 AM http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28029857/ ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com
In Georgia last year, Gov. Sonny Perdue held a public meeting to, as he put it, pray up a storm to help the drought and it worked. Kind of. There was a big storm the next day in Northern Georgia and Tennessee that brought more than an inch of rain. Unfortunately, it didn't do much to help the drought. It did, however, rip the roof off a Baptist church in Tennessee, which injured three children and sent them to the hospital. Not terribly relevant to any legal analysis, but there it is. Ed Brayton From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finkelman Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:44 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com The really interesting aspect of this is the way in undermines religion for those who take it seriously. Does this mean that IF there is a terrorist attack in KY that God no longer cares about Kentucky? GW Bush was arguably the most religious president to ever sit in the office; lof of good it did us on Sept. 11. This reminds me of when I first moved to Oklahoma, in the summer of 1999; there was a serious drought in the state. The Governor did not ask the people to conserve water or stop washing their cars or watering their lawns every day. Instead, he asked everyone to reserve the following Sunday to pray for rain at their church. I suppose that exempted Jews, Seventh Adventists, Moslems, and some others from worrying about the problem Alas, it also gave of fabulous proof of the efficacy of prayer. They all prayed on Sunday and guess what -- It did not rain for weeks or maybe even months. So much for the power of prayer when the government tried to commandeer religion for its own political ends. The Baptists -- of all faiths -- those who started with Roger WIlliams and were whipped and jailed in post-Revolutionary Virginia -- should have the good sense NOT to corrupt their faith by allowing politicians to score points. Paul Finkelman President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law Albany Law School 80 New Scotland Avenue Albany, NY 12208 518-445-3386 (p) 518-445-3363 (f) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.paulfinkelman.com --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com To: Religionlaw religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:01 AM http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28029857/ ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com
Might prove that God does not want politicians using his name to further their own ambitions. Shades of Roger Williams Paul Finkelman President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law Albany Law School 80 New Scotland Avenue Albany, NY 12208 518-445-3386 (p) 518-445-3363 (f) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.paulfinkelman.com --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Ed Brayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ed Brayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:59 AM In Georgia last year, Gov. Sonny Perdue held a public meeting to, as he put it, “pray up a storm” to help the drought and it worked. Kind of. There was a big storm the next day in Northern Georgia and Tennessee that brought more than an inch of rain. Unfortunately, it didn’t do much to help the drought. It did, however, rip the roof off a Baptist church in Tennessee, which injured three children and sent them to the hospital. Not terribly relevant to any legal analysis, but there it is. Ed Brayton From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finkelman Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:44 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com The really interesting aspect of this is the way in undermines religion for those who take it seriously. Does this mean that IF there is a terrorist attack in KY that God no longer cares about Kentucky? GW Bush was arguably the most religious president to ever sit in the office; lof of good it did us on Sept. 11. This reminds me of when I first moved to Oklahoma, in the summer of 1999; there was a serious drought in the state. The Governor did not ask the people to conserve water or stop washing their cars or watering their lawns every day. Instead, he asked everyone to reserve the following Sunday to pray for rain at their church. I suppose that exempted Jews, Seventh Adventists, Moslems, and some others from worrying about the problem Alas, it also gave of fabulous proof of the efficacy of prayer. They all prayed on Sunday and guess what -- It did not rain for weeks or maybe even months. So much for the power of prayer when the government tried to commandeer religion for its own political ends. The Baptists -- of all faiths -- those who started with Roger WIlliams and were whipped and jailed in post-Revolutionary Virginia -- should have the good sense NOT to corrupt their faith by allowing politicians to score points. Paul Finkelman President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law Albany Law School 80 New Scotland Avenue Albany, NY 12208 518-445-3386 (p) 518-445-3363 (f) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.paulfinkelman.com --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com To: Religionlaw religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:01 AMhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28029857/ ___To post, send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, seehttp://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people canread the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward themessages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com
One small clarification; the good professor mentions Roger Williams' followers, whipped and jailed in Virginia. It's ironic to remember that Roger Williams himself defended a woman against her husband for soul freedom, founded the first Baptist Church in America in Providence, RI--and later left it because they had become too dogmatic. He'd be spinning in his grave if he hadn't been consumed by the apple tree root, now on display in the basement of the John Brown house in Providence. The good professor brings up some very good points. One I'd like to add is a reminder of the infamous words of Jerry Falwell on Sept 13, 2001: I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen. As a self-identified Pagan, lesbian, feminist, who supports the ACLU and is pro-choice, I take umbrage at his words. Finally, one question: Just *which* 'almighty God' do they depend on to keep them safe? Me, I'd nominate Celtic war and death goddess The Morrigan. The war-dead are her offerings, and her worship is war. We've got a head start with her, at least. Just say'in. Jean Dudley. On Dec 3, 2008, at Wed, Dec 3, 5:43 AM, Paul Finkelman wrote: The really interesting aspect of this is the way in undermines religion for those who take it seriously. Does this mean that IF there is a terrorist attack in KY that God no longer cares about Kentucky? GW Bush was arguably the most religious president to ever sit in the office; lof of good it did us on Sept. 11. This reminds me of when I first moved to Oklahoma, in the summer of 1999; there was a serious drought in the state. The Governor did not ask the people to conserve water or stop washing their cars or watering their lawns every day. Instead, he asked everyone to reserve the following Sunday to pray for rain at their church. I suppose that exempted Jews, Seventh Adventists, Moslems, and some others from worrying about the problem Alas, it also gave of fabulous proof of the efficacy of prayer. They all prayed on Sunday and guess what -- It did not rain for weeks or maybe even months. So much for the power of prayer when the government tried to commandeer religion for its own political ends. The Baptists -- of all faiths -- those who started with Roger WIlliams and were whipped and jailed in post-Revolutionary Virginia -- should have the good sense NOT to corrupt their faith by allowing politicians to score points. Paul Finkelman President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law Albany Law School 80 New Scotland Avenue Albany, NY 12208 518-445-3386 (p) 518-445-3363 (f) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.paulfinkelman.com --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Joel Sogol [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com To: Religionlaw religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:01 AM http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28029857/ ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
