PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota
I meant to say that Vance's point about the fears of Muslims and Sharia law is surely also part of the explanation. The evangelical rank and file conceives religious liberty mostly in terms of their own religious liberty - they are certainly not the only ones, but as Vance notes, they are an important voting block on this issue - and when attention is focused on religious liberty for Muslims instead, many of them will take a different view. So that no doubt affected some votes. But it was NARAL and Planned Parenthood that spent the money. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota
I should clarify that I was not attempting to address the North Dakota vote specifically, which of course could have been influenced by a number of particularized factors, but was addressing Eugene's broader question of why the RFRA enactment engine nationally seems to be sputtering. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Finkelman, Paul paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu wrote: Among many other reasons it may reflect hostility to Native Americans. *Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless* -Original message- *From: *Douglas Laycock dlayc...@virginia.edu* To: *apos;Law Religion issues for Law Academicsapos; religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu* Sent: *Wed, Jun 13, 2012 20:49:25 GMT+00:00* Subject: *PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota I meant to say that Vance’s point about the fears of Muslims and Sharia law is surely also part of the explanation. The evangelical rank and file conceives religious liberty mostly in terms of their own religious liberty – they are certainly not the only ones, but as Vance notes, they are an important voting block on this issue – and when attention is focused on religious liberty for Muslims instead, many of them will take a different view. So that no doubt affected some votes. But it was NARAL and Planned Parenthood that spent the money. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Vance R. Koven Boston, MA USA vrko...@world.std.com ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota
Nor for Native Americans abused by Catholic priests. For them, religious liberty has meant less freedom, not more. Marci A. Hamilton Paul R. Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law Yeshiva University 55 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10003 (212) 790-0215 hamilto...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Finkelman, Paul paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu To: religionlaw religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 8:32 pm Subject: Re: PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota Among many other reasons it may reflect hostility to Native Americans. Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Douglas Laycock dlayc...@virginia.edu To: apos;Law Religion issues for Law Academicsapos; religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 20:49:25 GMT+00:00 Subject: PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota I meant to say that Vance’s point about the fears of Muslims and Sharia law is surely also part of the explanation. The evangelical rank and file conceives religious liberty mostly in terms of their own religious liberty – they are certainly not the only ones, but as Vance notes, they are an important voting block on this issue – and when attention is focused on religious liberty for Muslims instead, many of them will take a different view. So that no doubt affected some votes. But it was NARAL and Planned Parenthood that spent the money. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota
Eugene's division of RFRA and non-RFRA jurisdictions is also oversimplified. There were RFRAs like Alabama's, where there is no substantial before burden (that was another fault with North Dakota's formulation). But as RFRAs developed, the dangers of permitting large classes of individuals to break the law simply because they are religious became apparent, pure RFRAs became a thing of the past. RFRAs started to include exemptions for arenas, e.g., in PA for crimes against children. Marci Marci A. Hamilton Paul R. Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law Yeshiva University 55 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10003 (212) 790-0215 hamilto...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Vance R. Koven vrko...@gmail.com To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 8:58 pm Subject: Re: PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota I should clarify that I was not attempting to address the North Dakota vote specifically, which of course could have been influenced by a number of particularized factors, but was addressing Eugene's broader question of why the RFRA enactment engine nationally seems to be sputtering. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Finkelman, Paul paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu wrote: Among many other reasons it may reflect hostility to Native Americans. Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Douglas Laycock dlayc...@virginia.edu To: apos;Law Religion issues for Law Academicsapos; religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 20:49:25 GMT+00:00 Subject: PS RE: Defeat of RFRA constitutional amendment in North Dakota I meant to say that Vance’s point about the fears of Muslims and Sharia law is surely also part of the explanation. The evangelical rank and file conceives religious liberty mostly in terms of their own religious liberty – they are certainly not the only ones, but as Vance notes, they are an important voting block on this issue – and when attention is focused on religious liberty for Muslims instead, many of them will take a different view. So that no doubt affected some votes. But it was NARAL and Planned Parenthood that spent the money. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Vance R. Koven Boston, MA USA vrko...@world.std.com ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
