RE: Victory for prayer in Jesus name?

2007-08-02 Thread Rick Duncan
I agree with Christopher that the complaint about lack of injury in EC cases 
goes more to substance than to standing. I am writing an article on Justice 
Thomas and partial incorporation of the EC (EC incorporated not as a 
structural limitation on the power of state govt, but only to the extent that 
it protects individual liberty interests against substantial burdens or 
deprivations) and here is an excerpt from a working draft of my article that 
relates to some of what we have been discussing lately (footnotes omitted):
   
  Although Justice O’Connor has tried to explain the endorsement test as a rule 
designed to protect an individual’s right not to feel like an outsider or a 
disfavored member of the political community, this view amounts to nothing more 
than an unconvincing attempt to portray a structural limitation on state 
government speech as a spurious right to censor public displays that one finds 
offensive. Why should we think that liberty under the Establishment Clause 
includes the right to control which holidays state governments may celebrate 
and which ideas state governments may express? This is an extraordinary 
liberty, unlike any other liberty incorporated by the Fourteenth Amendment.
   
  For example, no one would argue that the Free Exercise Clause protects a 
person’s right to censor public displays that offend his sincerely held 
religious beliefs. Thus, A does not have a First Amendment right to enjoin a 
gay pride display in a public park because it offends his religious beliefs 
and sends a message to him that he is an outsider and a disfavored member of 
the political community. A’s remedy is to avoid the offensive display or to 
avert his eye when walking past it. Similarly, B should not have a First 
Amendment right to enjoin a Christmas display that she finds offensive. The 
incorporated Establishment Clause protects individual liberty from substantial 
burdens imposed by state action, but there is no liberty to not be offended by 
government speech in the public square. Indeed, a rule cleansing religious 
displays from the public square actually promotes the evil it seeks to avoid, 
because by singling out religious displays for exclusion from the public
 culture the Court is sending a message that people of faith are outsiders, 
disfavored members of the political community whose holidays and ideas may not 
be recognized and celebrated in a public square that includes everyone else. As 
Steven Smith argues, if religious symbols and holidays are cleansed from the 
public square, many religious citizens may feel that their most central values 
and concerns—and thus, in an important sense, they themselves—have been 
excluded from a public culture devoted purely to secular concerns.
   
  In order to succeed in an Establishment Clause case brought against state or 
local government, the claimant should be required to demonstrate that the 
challenged law or policy substantially burdens an individual liberty protected 
under the Clause. The kind of psychic harm one experiences when government 
endorses a controversial idea or symbol in the public schools or upon the 
public square does not impose a substantial burden on an incorporated 
Establishment Clause liberty, unless a dissenter is compelled to affirm his 
belief in the offensive idea. If A has no right to forbid the teaching of 
evolution in the public schools because that lesson is offensive to his 
religious beliefs protected under the Free Exercise Clause, then B has no right 
to forbid the teaching of intelligent design in the public schools because that 
lesson is offensive to his liberty protected under the Establishment Clause. 
Since the structural component of the Establishment Clause limiting the
 power of the states to endorse or advance religion is not subject to 
incorporation, the merits and wisdom of education in the public schools are for 
school boards and state legislators—not federal judges—to determine, so long as 
individual liberty under the First Amendment is not substantially burdened.
   
  That is only a small excerpt of my piece on Thomas and partial incorporation, 
but suffice it to say that I believe his views about incorporating the EC only 
to the extent that it protects individual liberty against substantial 
deprivations are very powerful and convincing.
   
   
  


 


  Rick Duncan 
Welpton Professor of Law 
University of Nebraska College of Law 
Lincoln, NE 68583-0902
   
  
It's a funny thing about us human beings: not many of us doubt God's existence 
and then start sinning. Most of us sin and then start doubting His existence.  
--J. Budziszewski (The Revenge of Conscience)
   
  Once again the ancient maxim is vindicated, that the perversion of the best 
is the worst. -- Id.


   
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Re: Victory for prayer in Jesus name?

2007-07-30 Thread ArtSpitzer

Chaplain Klingenschmitt was well advised to put a question mark in his 
subject line.  Last week's CA5 decision does not uphold the constitutionality 
of the 
school board's practice.   Rather, the case (DOE v. TANGIPAHOA PARISH SCHOOL 
BOARD, No. 05-30294 (July 25)) was dismissed because the plaintiffs had 
neglected to put in the record any evidence that they had attended a school 
board 
meeting and had been exposed to the challenged prayers; therefore they had not 
demonstrated that they had standing to sue.   Any person who has attended a 
school board meeting and has been exposed to the challenged prayers remains 
free 
to file a new lawsuit, where the constitutionality of the practice will be an 
open question.   Indeed, the court stated it is not hard to conceive that a 
more concrete controversy may arise in the future.   Whether this decision is 
worthy of celebration and wide-spread publicity I leave to the good chaplain
's judgment.

Art Spitzer
ACLU of the National Capital Area
Washington DC

In a message dated 7/30/07 5:22:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 ACLU just lost their case against prayer in Jesus name by Louisiana school 
 board.
   
  
 http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070727/28638_Judges_Overturn_Ban_on_School_Board_Prayer.htm
   
  This victory by ADF is worthy of celebration and wide-spread publicity.
 
 




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