Religious Hostility--Folding Jesus Under
Here is another great example, from Charles Haynes and the First Amendment Center, about religious hostility in the public schools: "I did not make this up. Truth really is stranger than fiction especially when the story involves religion and public schools. Flashback to the year 2000. Antonio Peck, a kindergarten student in the Baldwinsville, N.Y., school district, handed in a poster about saving the environment that included an image of Jesus. The principal decided that the school would hang the poster but fold Jesus under so he couldnt be seen. Pecks outraged parents sued." The case is still in litigation. The school's decision to censor a 5-year old is outrageous, but it may well be permissible under the Court's reading of the First Amendment (the school's right to control the curriculum and to protect captive audiences from religious _expression_). Should the 1A protect Master Peck from this kind of censorship and disrespect? Rick Duncan Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of Law Lincoln, NE 68583-0902"When the Round Table is broken every man must follow either Galahad or Mordred: middle things are gone." C.S.Lewis, Grand Miracle"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered." --The Prisoner Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: Religious Hostility--Folding Jesus Under
Flashback to the year 2000. Antonio Peck, a kindergarten student in the Baldwinsville, N.Y., school district, handed in a poster about "saving the environment" that included an image of Jesus. The principal decided that the school would hang the poster - but fold Jesus under so he couldn't be seen. Peck's outraged parents sued." The case is still in litigation. The school's decision to censor a 5-year old is outrageous, but it may well be permissible under the Court's reading of the First Amendment (the school's right to control the curriculum and to protect captive audiences from religious expression). Should the 1A protect Master Peck from this kind of censorship and disrespect? Absolutely, and the whole notion of protecting a "captive audience" from the religious expression of another member of that captive audience is rather silly. But I'll bet that the courts will rule the right way in this case, as they usually do. Ed Brayton <>___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: Religious Hostility--Folding Jesus Under
Ed; When you say the courts usually protect student religious speech, even when it is part of the curriculum, what cases do you have in mind? RickEd Brayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Flashback to the year 2000. Antonio Peck, a kindergarten student in theBaldwinsville, N.Y., school district, handed in a poster about "saving theenvironment" that included an image of Jesus. The principal decided that theschool would hang the poster - but fold Jesus under so he couldn't be seen.Peck's outraged parents sued."The case is still in litigation. The school's decision to censor a 5-yearold is outrageous, but it may well be permissible under the Court's readingof the First Amendment (the school's right to control the curriculum and toprotect captive audiences from religious _expression_). Should the 1A protectMaster Peck from this kind of censorship and disrespect?Absolutely, and the whole notion of protecting a "captive audience" from thereligious _expression_ of another member of that captive audience is rathersil! ly. But I'll bet that the courts will rule the right way in this case, asthey usually do.Ed Brayton___To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduTo subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlawPlease note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of Law Lincoln, NE 68583-0902"When the Round Table is broken every man must follow either Galahad or Mordred: middle things are gone." C.S.Lewis, Grand Miracle"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered." --The Prisoner Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: Religious Hostility--Folding Jesus Under
Title: Message I didn't say "even when it is part of the curriculum". Ed Brayton -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick DuncanSent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:57 PMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: RE: Religious Hostility--Folding Jesus Under Ed; When you say the courts usually protect student religious speech, even when it is part of the curriculum, what cases do you have in mind? RickEd Brayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Flashback to the year 2000. Antonio Peck, a kindergarten student in theBaldwinsville, N.Y., school district, handed in a poster about "saving theenvironment" that included an image of Jesus. The principal decided that theschool would hang the poster - but fold Jesus under so he couldn't be seen.Peck's outraged parents sued."The case is still in litigation. The school's decision to censor a 5-yearold is outrageous, but it may well be permissible under the Court's readingof the First Amendment (the school's right to control the curriculum and toprotect captive audiences from religious _expression_). Should the 1A protectMaster Peck from this kind of censorship and disrespect?Absolutely, and the whole notion of protecting a "captive audience" from thereligious _expression_ of another member of that captive audience is rathersil! ly. But I'll bet that the courts will rule the right way in this case, asthey usually do.Ed Brayton___To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduTo subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlawPlease note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of Law Lincoln, NE 68583-0902"When the Round Table is broken every man must follow either Galahad or Mordred: middle things are gone." C.S.Lewis, Grand Miracle"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered." --The Prisoner Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: Religious Hostility--Folding Jesus Under
OK, Ed. So the cases you refer to do not apply to Master Peck's case. Which cases do you think apply to Master Peck's case? And do they support his freedom of _expression_, or do they support deference to the school's decision to censor his art project? Thanks, Rick Duncan Ed Brayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I didn't say "even when it is part of the curriculum". Ed Brayton -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick DuncanSent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:57 PMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: RE: Religious Hostility--Folding Jesus Under Ed; When you say the courts usually protect student religious speech, even when it is part of the curriculum, what cases do you have in mind? RickEd Brayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Flashback to the year 2000. Antonio Peck, a kindergarten student in theBaldwinsville, N.Y., school district, handed in a poster about "saving theenvironment" that included an image of Jesus. The principal decided that theschool would hang the poster - but fold Jesus under so he couldn't be seen.Peck's outraged parents sued."The case is still in litigation. The school's decision to censor a 5-yearold is outrageous, but it may well be permissible under the Court's readingof the First Amendment (the school's right to control the curriculum and toprotect captive audiences from religious _expression_). Should the 1A protectMaster Peck from this kind of censorship and disrespect?Absolutely, and the whole notion of protecting a "captive audience" from thereligious _expression_ of another member of that captive audience is rathersil! ! ly. But I'll bet that the courts will rule the right way in this case, asthey usually do.Ed Brayton___To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduTo subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlawPlease note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of Law Lincoln, NE 68583-0902"When the Round Table is broken every man must follow either Galahad or Mordred: middle things are gone." C.S.Lewis, Grand Miracle"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered." --The Prisoner Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduTo subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlawPlease note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of Law Lincoln, NE 68583-0902"When the Round Table is broken every man must follow either Galahad or Mordred: middle things are gone." C.! S.Lewis, Grand Miracle"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered." --The Prisoner Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
