date:20041209


Kenwood just started shipping the ver. 2 of the below. They have fixed a few
things on the TKR-850 and made it a much better repeater. I just got one of
the ver. two's for GMRS and it works even better then the old TKR-850. The
down fall is you have to buy the new software. The old software for the
TKR-850 will not work on the new ver. two.
73 Russ, W3CH

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> I would go with the Kenwood TKR 740 for VHF and TKR-840 for UHF
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> thanks  John
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is best folded Dipole array for 2M


Hi Robin,
The DB-224 cut to the Ham band is what many folks go for and it works well.
It is made by Decibel Products the list price is only $592.00 or so less Ham
discount. So they are cheap enough. But make sure you get it in the Ham
range! Do not let some one talk you in to buying one for 150 to 170 MHz or
such. You can still buy them cut to your pair and in the Ham band.
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH

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> What is best folded Dipole array for 2M. Sources?
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] info

2004-12-09 Thread Maire Company


I would go with the Kenwood TKR 740 for VHF and TKR-840 for UHF

thanks  John


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[Repeater-Builder] What is best folded Dipole array for 2M

2004-12-09 Thread Robin Staebler


What is best folded Dipole array for 2M. Sources?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Station master antennas

2004-12-09 Thread Chuck Kelsey


My opinion is that I much prefer a folded dipole array.

Chuck
WB2EDV



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> 
> Hey guys,
> What's the opinion on a good station master, celwav, sinclaire, or what.
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jed
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] info


If you are buying new I (we) have had great luck with the Maggiore
repeaters. We have about 20 of them on the air and are very happy. Contact
info is Maggiore 610-436-6051. Nice people.
We have 3 Kenwood repeaters on the air and like them allot. We got them from
Cook Towers there toll free is 877-992-2665. Or you could buy a GE master
two from like E-bay and the info is right here on Repeater-Builders out to
convert it to a repeater. It is very good step by step info. You could also
do the same with a Motorola Micor as well there is also info here on
Repeater-Builders to go that way. The two mobiles is not a real good way to
go for a repeater for Ham. I would call around and see what folks have to
offer.
Very best of luck on your repeater project.
73, Russ, W3CH
Trustee Metro-Comm, INC.
W3PS repeater network.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: carfones


Hey Skipp,
The Phil-Mont group in Philly PA uses a pair on
there 147.03 repeater. 
73 Russ, W3CH

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> Re: ge exec II uhf Carfones 
> 
> I saw the "Carfone" word in the subject line... 
> 
> For a short time I harken back to the RCA 
> Carfone and thought "who'd still be using 
> one of those?". 
> 
> Carfone or Carphone was also a radio made 
> by/for RCA...  Actually not that bad a unit. 
> 
> cheers
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Station master antennas


Hey Jed,
Well ever since RFS took over Celwave. They fixed the problem of the
elements breaking in the PD-200,220 and the 455. This has been a large help.
I have all ways liked the PD-220 on 220 MHz and the 455 on UHF. The DB-420
works very nice as well but it is kind of high in price. List for around
$1,000 less Ham discount. The SINCLAIR folks build a real nice omni as well
I have two of them on 147 and they work just fine. I think you will do just
fine if you stick with RFS, DB or SINCLAIR.
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH


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> Hey guys,
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> Any ideas?
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[Repeater-Builder] info

2004-12-09 Thread feederclamp




Hello,
What would the members recommend as a fairly good repeater, vhf high 
band? Or two mobiles to make a repeater? Any ideas? This would mainly 
be used by handhelds.










 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Paul Guello


Has anyone tried a bi-directional amplifier like this
one on ebay;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61815&item=5736479461&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Check the ARRL site for more information on ham use;
http://www.arrl.org/hsmm/project.html

And check this link for a cool waveguide antenna;
http://www.trevormarshall.com/waveguides.htm

Paul kb9wlc

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> well.
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> I'm the feed point of a commercial 802.11 network,
> and
> using their hardware makes things look very easy. 
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> website is:
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[Repeater-Builder] Station master antennas

2004-12-09 Thread Jed Barton


Hey guys,
What's the opinion on a good station master, celwav, sinclaire, or what.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jed





 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP


Duane Hall wrote:

>A Cisco router will do everything you need, and the price isnt as bad as you
>might expect. The MC3810 with an E&M module can be purchased pretty cheap.
>Easily under $400 on eBay. You will of course need one for each end. The
>MC3810 will do point to point, and the newer boxes will do point to
>multipoint. Any of the current small routers that support E&M interfaces can
>do pure transport, and the newer models can do a ton more.
>
>Everything is built into one box. No server required, just a rugged router,
>and the networking capabilities are second to none. It will do all the NAT,
>tunneling, IPSec, and routing protocols. An IT dept wouldnt be nearly as
>scared to let you hang that box on their network, as they would a server.
>Also, all the E&M parameters are tweakable via telnet. COR polarity, PTT
>polarity, TX audio, RX level, duplex full/half, LED indicators of PTT and
>COR, AGC on audio input, multiple timer settings, and many more.
>
>Go to www.cisco.com and search for LMR
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>Duane
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Ahh Duane, that's cool!  $400's "getting there" price-wise!  I thought I 
was still looking at around $800 a unit for Cisco devices.

I'll have to have a look at 'em.  Thanks for the head's up.  Still too 
expensive to do every repeater in a 10 repeater network, but MUCH closer 
to where I'm trying to go!

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

Mike Perryman wrote:

>I have heard some rumblings of TCP/IP experimentation in the ham bands, but
>no details as of yet.  It is a subject I am very  interested in. There would
>be numerous uses for that concept as it relates to our hobby. Hopefully
>someone can shed a little light on the subject as I am certainly no expert
>in this arena.
>
TCP/IP over AX.25 (encapsulated) was working in the late 80's, and 
became fairly popular in the early 90's.  (AX.25 being the protocol more 
typically called "Packet Radio" by most hams.)  Worked well.  In an 
insightful move, early Internet hams also allocated us addresses in the 
global address allocations.  The entire 44.0.0.0/8 TCP/IP address range 
is still allocated world-wide to Ham Radio on the Internet.

TCP/IP over Packet was speed-limited by the modulation type(s) and 
radios used, so by todays standards it was very slow.  Some folks did 
move on up to microwaves and push the speed limits up, but most hams 
playing with IP-over-Packet used UHF where they could cram 9600 bps 
through a standard UHF FM radio if they pulled the receive audio off the 
discriminator and were careful about levels on the input side.  On VHF, 
1200 bps was common.  Both were typically set up half-duplex, although 
with a little ingenuity and more radios, point-to-point links didn't 
have to be.

TCP/IP over Ham Radio is getting a bit off-topic for Repeater-Builder, 
but if you have any questions I can point you to some other lists and 
resources off-list.  Fire me off a note.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: carfones



  Yup! 

  RCA Carfone and Super-Carfones ... remember those well.  

  Just remember to hang up the microphone when you are done. 

  Neil 

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> I saw the "Carfone" word in the subject line...
> 
> For a short time I harken back to the RCA
> Carfone and thought "who'd still be using
> one of those?".
> 
> Carfone or Carphone was also a radio made
> by/for RCA...  Actually not that bad a unit.
> 
> cheers
> skipp
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: carfones

2004-12-09 Thread skipp025



Re: ge exec II uhf Carfones 

I saw the "Carfone" word in the subject line... 

For a short time I harken back to the RCA 
Carfone and thought "who'd still be using 
one of those?". 

Carfone or Carphone was also a radio made 
by/for RCA...  Actually not that bad a unit. 

cheers
skipp 

www.radiowrench.com/sonic 







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

Careful!  That channelization map only shows the CENTER frequency of the 
direct-sequence spread-spectrum "channel" you're using.  I believe Mr. 
Reese is incorrect in his statement that channels 7 and 8 are in the ham 
band. 

Each "channel" overlaps the "channels" around it -- they're wide. 

(Our old pal Nyquist's pesky theorem might point out that there's not 
enough bandwidth between from say, 2417 to 2427 to do a 11Mb/s data 
stream on Channel 3, and that's assuming you would run right up against 
channels 2 and 4.  But, I sure as hell can't do the math without having 
had any coffee yet today!) 

The access points just deal with the interference they cause each 
other.  When you're laying them out for use in an office building, you 
pick patterns that use 1, 6 and 11 to keep all the AP's out of each 
other's hair.

Channels 1, 6, and 11 are the only "channels" that don't overlap each 
other in the U.S., so channel 1 extends up through Channel 3 (and below 
channel 1 down to just above 2400 MHz), and Channel 6 extends downward 
to Channel 4 and upward to channel 8.

So the highest usable "channel" if you want to operate as a Part 97 
station is Channel 6 if I didn't screw up my math.  Or the top portion 
of your signal will be out of the ham allocation.  ;-)

I got a kick out of the 24XX "GHz" label too... that's pretty high!  (GRIN)

Nate WY0X

JOHN MACKEY wrote:

>It should be noted, also, that the channels are overlapping on each other.
>The only channel setup that would NOT be overlaping it using channels 1,6, &
>11.
>
>There are also channels 12, 13, & 14 but they are not authorized in the US.
>
>-- Original Message --
>Received: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 07:24:15 PM CST
>From: "Richard D. Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless
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>
>>There are 11 channels used as the standard for 802.11b/g.
>>
>>They are:
>>
>>Chan 1  2412 GHz
>>Chan 2  2417 GHz
>>Chan 3  2422 GHz
>>Chan 4  2427 GHz
>>Chan 5  2432 GHz
>>Chan 6  2437 GHz
>>Chan 7  2442 GHz
>>Chan 8  2447 GHz
>>Chan 9  2452 GHz
>>Chan 102457 GHz
>>Chan 112462 GHz
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>>Channels 1 through 8 fall in the Amateur band of 2390 to 2450 GHz.   
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>>73
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>>Richard D. Reese
>>http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com
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>>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:26:21 -0500, Kevin Custer wrote:
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>>>
however feel free to discuss the 
technical nature of the subject in any detail here.

>>>Hi Kevin:
>>>
>>>A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
>>>radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
>>>any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?
>>>
>>>Does this have to be done by the manufacturer or can
>>>it be done by the user. Please recommend any hardware
>>>that can be made to work.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
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>>>Tedd Doda, VE3TJD
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: ge exec II uhf carfones

2004-12-09 Thread Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio

paul
i have no low band base station books.
what i do have here is low band m2 mobile and base station control shelf manuals
you might try
new london technologies at 434 525 0068 talk to bill or mark.
they may have the book you seek.
i did look thru the data files and found nothing about base stations low band.
in most cases the 30-36 mhz range will tweak down to 10 mtr fm band with no trouble.
there was a guy on the group who had a bunch of 25-30 mhz m2's for sale but he wated real high prices i thought and exhorbitant shipping charges.
there is a 10 mtr group now try looking that up.
73
happy holidaze
mdm ted
Paul Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ted,
Do you have anything on GE Mastr II high powered Low Band (37 MHz) base stations? Just got coordination for my 10 meter repeater in the mail today! Got to get to work now. I have to combo, ET and ER numbers if that will help.
Paul

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since there seems to be an interest and units
available we have several excellent copies of
the manual for this unt. $10 + post
mdm

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Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote Receiver PL)

2004-12-09 Thread Duane Hall

A Cisco router will do everything you need, and the price isnt as bad as you
might expect. The MC3810 with an E&M module can be purchased pretty cheap.
Easily under $400 on eBay. You will of course need one for each end. The
MC3810 will do point to point, and the newer boxes will do point to
multipoint. Any of the current small routers that support E&M interfaces can
do pure transport, and the newer models can do a ton more.

Everything is built into one box. No server required, just a rugged router,
and the networking capabilities are second to none. It will do all the NAT,
tunneling, IPSec, and routing protocols. An IT dept wouldnt be nearly as
scared to let you hang that box on their network, as they would a server.
Also, all the E&M parameters are tweakable via telnet. COR polarity, PTT
polarity, TX audio, RX level, duplex full/half, LED indicators of PTT and
COR, AGC on audio input, multiple timer settings, and many more.

Go to www.cisco.com and search for LMR

Duane
AB8QU

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote Receiver
PL)

>
> edctexas wrote:
>
> >A microwave system is great for the handling of a remote receiver
> >system.  Most of the link channels are 4W and do have E&M signalling.
> >
> >
> Hey since 4-wire E&M came up here... I'll ask this question to this
> list.  I've asked various VoIP lists, but haven't had any positive
> responses yet.
>
> I see tons of cheap 2-wire to Ethernet/SIP/VoIP interface boxes on the
> market, and I know that higher-end Cisco routers have 4-wire E&M cards
> available for VoIP, but has anyone seen a cheap single or dual-port
> 4-wire E&M to VoIP "ATA" device like the 2-wire ones anywhere?
>
> I can think of some REALLY useful purposes for radio linking at sites
> that have TCP/IP connectivity... but you really need those E&M leads to
> do any type of PTT/COS signaling.
>
> I asked a couple of the ATA manufacturers about it and they said, "Not
> enough interest, but we'll build 10,000 of them if someone wants that
many."
>
> Darn... not quite there yet... and I don't want to buy an 4-port card
> and a full Cisco to do the job... too expensive for the applications I'm
> thinking about.  I also need the box to be "dumber" as I just want it to
> pass the E&M leads and not try to interpret them as anything.
>
> Nate WY0X
>
>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless aka the next generation of packet

2004-12-09 Thread Russ


i support 2.4 ghz   communication data wise as long  as  its for   amateur
use only ,  i know  ppl dont want to think about legaities in the ism band
but  itsnt the same as  pirating a call and slammin 80 meter , anyhow i have
several  proven ideas on  long range   point to point  50 + miles , and
some   few  manufacture links , and   simple  wireless  node  repeaters  for
passing  data , much likethe days gone by  the big  big  packet  networks
that faded  in the dust , and the  best  part  is  it works  just  as well
at  10 mwas  200 mw  non licence   and i bet   swell at  100 watt full
amateure power  on us  chan 1-6  with call sign of course  , her ein the
hills of  PA   NLOS  is  a real problem , lotta cracks to fill  with signal
for  true 11 mbps  wifi

Russ N3TIH
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless


>
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:26:21 -0500, Kevin Custer wrote:
>
> >however feel free to discuss the
> >technical nature of the subject in any detail here.
>
> Hi Kevin:
>
> A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
> radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
> any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?
>
> Does this have to be done by the manufacturer or can
> it be done by the user. Please recommend any hardware
> that can be made to work.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Tedd Doda, VE3TJD
>
> Lazer Audio and Electronics
> Baden, Ontario, Canada
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless



  Another ... list ? 

  Groan ... 

  Neil - WA6KLA 

Kevin Custer wrote:
> 
> Mike Perryman wrote:
> 
> >I had no idea there was this kind of interest in this subject!
> >
> 
> Maybe I should take this time to promote this list?
> 
> 
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Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote Receiver

2004-12-09 Thread Wade Lake


 Not that I am sticking up for rule breakers or anything, but I doubt
the FCC has the manpower to go after 802.11 offenders.  It's basically like
with CB anymore.  If you are not causing major problems for a lot of folks,
they arent going to look your way.

 That being said, I believe in careful compliance to the rules.  The
Part 15 rules are not as straight forward as a maximum ERP.  They allow 1
watt with a 6dBi gain antenna and they require a reduction in power, a dB of
power for a dB of antenna gain, for omni antennas that have more than 6dBi
of gain.  For directional antennas running point to point, they require a
reduction of 1dB in power for every 3 dBi of antenna gain over the allowed
6dBi.  This becomes a little confusing but it means that when you account
for cable losses, most point to point setups running a 1/2 wat or 1 watt amp
with the grid-dish type antennas and yagis, are in the clear.

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Receiver


>
> I realize this is a "rules thing"...  pardon my momentary digression
>
> Please keep in mind that the power limitation for those part 15 devices is
> ERP...  not TPO.  Lots of folks with high gain antennas and amplifiers on
> their houses are in violation...  hope they don't get caught.
> Seems the Commission has been on an enforcement (revenue) binge lately..
no
> slack given.
>
>  73's
> Mike Perryman
> www.k5jmp.us
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Dengler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:51 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote
> Receiver
>
>
>
> At 12/8/2004 12:40 PM, you wrote:
>
> >Steve Rodgers wrote:
> >
> > >Nate,
> > >
> > >Why not use a full duplex RF link to your data center?  That way you
> could
> > >have "dumb" hardware at the site, and all your smarts at the data
> > center. You
> > >could also avoid paying for a DSL connection at the site as well.
> > >
> > >Steve
> > >WA6ZFT
> > >
> > >
> >Ah, a number of reasons.
> >
> >Commercial sites you pay by the antenna, but there's more often than not
> >at least one TCP/IP pipe that someone already pays for at most
> >commercial sites now that an appropriate deal can be made to ride along
> >on, and some really fat shared pipes available at some.
> >
> >Simplicity - maintaining a cheap IAXy device (throw it away if it
> >breaks) is better than messing with multiple link radios, feedlines,
> >antennas, etc.  Put the redundancy in the data network instead.
> >
> >Why?  If you put your own IP pipes in, you can do other things with
> >them... it's more "universally useful" than a dedicated link radio to do
> >other "stuff" with at the sites... remote monitoring, reprogramming, run
> >club servers, remote power switching, etc etc etc... and
> >what-have-you... lots of uses only limited by imagination -- a dedicated
> >link radio is a one-hit wonder.
>
> ...and if internet isn't available at the site, how about using 802.11b or
> a to bring it in?  I've yet with play with that stuff, but it sounds to me
> like a pair of gain antennas at each end could get you a couple of miles
to
> where you would have wired internet access.  Anyone try this?
>
> Bob NO6B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Kevin Custer

Mike Perryman wrote:

>I had no idea there was this kind of interest in this subject!
>

Maybe I should take this time to promote this list?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller madness (whiz' bang - sparkle!)



  Could be ... as I said (below) I haven't been through there since 
 1954 or so.  ;) 

  Neil   

DCFluX wrote:
> 
> Depends, RT. 66 is locally known as Andy Devine Ave. and has 5 stop
> lights on it.  But is still quicker than Stokton Hill Rd. and Beale
> St. trafic wise.
> 
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:29:21 -0800, Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Last time I was in Kingman, almost fifty years ago, the main
> >  highway was two lanes and there were no stop signs in town.
> >
> >   I'd bet someone has throughly wrecked that since.
> >
> >   Neil - WA6KLA
> >
> > DCFluX wrote:
> > >
> > > KGMN-FM located in beautiful Kingman, AZ.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:11:13 -0500, Jim B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > DCFluX wrote:
> > > > > You should of stopped by the station and said hi.
> > > >
> > > > station?
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim Barbour
> > > > WD8CHL
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Mike Perryman






Kevin,
 
I have 
had good luck finding goodies at Fleeman, Anderson & Bird http://www.fab-corp.com
 
mike

  -Original Message-From: Kevin Custer 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:21 
  PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
  [Repeater-Builder] 802.11b wirelessAll,
  
  
A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?

<---I'm curious about this myself. I'm installing a Linux machine at my
site soon and this would be good knowledge to have.

Hopefully, Kevin's suggestion is Linux usable as well.The 
  T1 is located at the "Fred Baer" tower site shown as a little red flag in the 
  image:http://www.shol.com/wireless/pix/wireless1path.jpgThe 
  T1 is transferred from the Fred Baer tower to the "Highland" location 
  (Highland Farm) with 5.8 GHz Trango stuff.  This path is LOS and has no 
  freznel zone infractions.  At Highland Farm, we recover the "T" with 
  another Trango unit.  It is etherneted to a Linux box which uses "StarOS" 
  server software and wireless PCI card interfaces that allow us to use 
  differing types of wireless cards.  This Access Point is built on a 
  common desktop frame and has UPS power backup, and sits in the rafters of my 
  friends farm.We 
  use the cards with antenna ports that can be cabled to antenna systems easily 
  as opposed to the older Orinoco (silver/gold) cards that had the antenna built 
  in.  The cards we have had the best luck with are the "High Power" (200 
  mW) types like the Prism 2.5:For 
  my port, I use an Orinoco 64 mW card that goes to a bi-directional 
  amplifier.  The amp produces about 1 watt at 2.4 gigs with 64 mW input 
  power, and adds some sensitivity to the receive side.  I don't remember 
  the make or manufacturer right now, but I'm sure one could do a google search 
  and come up with similar solutions.  The amp feeds a run of LMR-400 to 
  the Grid:Up 
  to this point, everything is done with a bit more reliability in mind than 
  might be necessary for the common amateur, as this equipment is also a 
  backbone for a wireless internet infrastructure for the local computer 
  store/internet provider (with the exception of the stuff used for my 
  port).At my end, there is another 24 dBi grid that feeds a Linksys 
  "Wet-11".  The Wet 11 is souped up with yet another card replacement that 
  exceeds stock wireless regulations.  The Wet feeds a Linksys wireless 
  router/hub that serves as an access point, which is located about 1/4 mile 
  away on my brothers property as it has a better look to Highland Farm.  
  On my tower at my house is yet another Wet-11 that is modified for "power over 
  ethernet".  The ethernet cable is about 150 feet long and carries the 
  power for the Wet, and the internet signaling.I must tell you that I'm 
  not happy with the Linksys Router/Hub I'm using for an access point.  It 
  has thermal problems and is actually off line right now because of it.  I 
  hope to have a single board (computer) solution built up and running soon to 
  replace it, as it's now the weakest link.Hope this helps...Kevin 
  Custer













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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Mike Perryman

Kevin,
I am doing exactly the same thing to get internet out to the hamshack...
using 12dB Cushcraft collinear cheapies, with my callsign & VPN. It is also
operating in the ham band.  Probably wouldn't pass the test if push came to
shove. The link is only used for call lookups & monitoring the DX clusters,
although I had plans for a weather station next year.  I wonder how VPN fits
into the mix? Does that count as encryption?  Kind of a "grey" area...  I
had the extra gear from a network re-build at the office and decided to put
them to some use.

  Not throwing rocks or anything...  I just feel it is sometimes better to
be wary of receiving a NAL.

I have heard some rumblings of TCP/IP experimentation in the ham bands, but
no details as of yet.  It is a subject I am very  interested in. There would
be numerous uses for that concept as it relates to our hobby. Hopefully
someone can shed a little light on the subject as I am certainly no expert
in this arena.  As for the Sipura boxes, the only knowledge I have of them
is that they fit the bill we needed them for.  My line of thinking was that
if you could build an interface then it might be worth some effort.  It
sounds as though Steve has a much better handle on things than I do.  Maybe
he should take the point and impart some guidance.  Thanks to Richard for
his input.  My 2.4gig ATV gear wipes the link out... ;-).  I had no idea
there was this kind of interest in this subject!
After all, ham radio is about experimentation...  winter is coming and think
of all the extra time now that yard work is winding down!

mike

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Custer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

Bob Dengler wrote:

>...and if internet isn't available at the site, how about using 802.11b or
>a to bring it in?  I've yet with play with that stuff, but it sounds to me
>like a pair of gain antennas at each end could get you a couple of miles to
>where you would have wired internet access.  Anyone try this?
>
>Bob NO6B
>

I have a 6.65 mile non-line-of-site path to bring internet access to my
home from the center of town where our T1 line exists.  I use 802.11b
(2.4 gHz) with larger grids (about 24 dB gain) on each end.  There are
different cards available these days that have better receiver
sensitivities and more power, however, they are illegal for operation
when used in non licensed applications.  I simply programmed the cards
to operate in the ham portion of the band and used my callsign for the SSID.

I do not want other peoples opinion on the legality of running internet
that is encrypted over the ham band, as I really couldn't care about
someone else's opinion on my operation, however feel free to discuss the
technical nature of the subject in any detail here.

Some images:
http://www.shol.com/wireless/pix/wireless1path.jpg
http://www.shol.com/wireless/pix/wireless2path.jpg
http://www.shol.com/wireless/pix/wireless3path.jpg

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Kevin Custer







All,


  

  
  
A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?

  
  
<---I'm curious about this myself. I'm installing a Linux machine at my
site soon and this would be good knowledge to have.

Hopefully, Kevin's suggestion is Linux usable as well.


The T1 is located at the "Fred Baer" tower site shown as a little red
flag in the image:
http://www.shol.com/wireless/pix/wireless1path.jpg

The T1 is transferred from the Fred Baer tower to the "Highland"
location (Highland Farm) with 5.8 GHz Trango stuff.  This path is LOS
and has no freznel zone infractions.  At Highland Farm, we recover the
"T" with another Trango unit.  It is etherneted to a Linux box which
uses "StarOS" server software and wireless PCI card interfaces that
allow us to use differing types of wireless cards.  This Access Point
is built on a common desktop frame and has UPS power backup, and sits
in the rafters of my friends farm.


We use the cards with antenna ports that can be cabled to antenna
systems easily as opposed to the older Orinoco (silver/gold) cards that
had the antenna built in.  The cards we have had the best luck with are
the "High Power" (200 mW) types like the Prism 2.5:


For my port, I use an Orinoco 64 mW card that goes to a bi-directional
amplifier.  The amp produces about 1 watt at 2.4 gigs with 64 mW input
power, and adds some sensitivity to the receive side.  I don't remember
the make or manufacturer right now, but I'm sure one could do a google
search and come up with similar solutions.  The amp feeds a run of
LMR-400 to the Grid:


Up to this point, everything is done with a bit more reliability in
mind than might be necessary for the common amateur, as this equipment
is also a backbone for a wireless internet infrastructure for the local
computer store/internet provider (with the exception of the stuff used
for my port).

At my end, there is another 24 dBi grid that feeds a Linksys "Wet-11". 
The Wet 11 is souped up with yet another card replacement that exceeds
stock wireless regulations.  The Wet feeds a Linksys wireless
router/hub that serves as an access point, which is located about 1/4
mile away on my brothers property as it has a better look to Highland
Farm.  On my tower at my house is yet another Wet-11 that is modified
for "power over ethernet".  The ethernet cable is about 150 feet long
and carries the power for the Wet, and the internet signaling.

I must tell you that I'm not happy with the Linksys Router/Hub I'm
using for an access point.  It has thermal problems and is actually off
line right now because of it.  I hope to have a single board (computer)
solution built up and running soon to replace it, as it's now the
weakest link.

Hope this helps...
Kevin Custer


















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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller madness (whiz' bang - sparkle!)

2004-12-09 Thread DCFluX


Depends, RT. 66 is locally known as Andy Devine Ave. and has 5 stop
lights on it.  But is still quicker than Stokton Hill Rd. and Beale
St. trafic wise.


On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:29:21 -0800, Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>   Last time I was in Kingman, almost fifty years ago, the main
>  highway was two lanes and there were no stop signs in town.
> 
>   I'd bet someone has throughly wrecked that since.
> 
>   Neil - WA6KLA
> 
> DCFluX wrote:
> >
> > KGMN-FM located in beautiful Kingman, AZ.
> >
> > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:11:13 -0500, Jim B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > DCFluX wrote:
> > > > You should of stopped by the station and said hi.
> > >
> > > station?
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Barbour
> > > WD8CHL
> > >
> > >
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Richard D. Reese

Just use an encryption key and they will be quite secure from anyone not 
authorized.  If you have 2.4 GHz phones or video links in use you may have 
to hunt for a channel that is not prone to interference.  Probably one of 
the higher frequencies.

Richard D. Reese
http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

>
> On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:24:17 -0500, Richard D. Reese wrote:
>
>>Channels 1 through 8 fall in the Amateur band of 2390 to 2450 GHz.
>
> Thanks for clearing that up Richard. I was under
> the impression that we had some frequencies that were
> not available for the general public.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless


On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:24:17 -0500, Richard D. Reese wrote:

>Channels 1 through 8 fall in the Amateur band of 2390 to 2450 GHz.

Thanks for clearing that up Richard. I was under
the impression that we had some frequencies that were
not available for the general public.



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Lazer Audio and Electronics
Baden, Ontario, Canada





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless


On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:24:17 -0500, Richard D. Reese wrote:

>Channels 1 through 8 fall in the Amateur band of 2390 to 2450 GHz.

Thanks for clearing that up Richard. I was under
the impression that we had some frequencies that were
not available for the general public.



Tedd Doda, VE3TJD

Lazer Audio and Electronics
Baden, Ontario, Canada





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread JOHN MACKEY


It should be noted, also, that the channels are overlapping on each other.
The only channel setup that would NOT be overlaping it using channels 1,6, &
11.

There are also channels 12, 13, & 14 but they are not authorized in the US.

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> 
> There are 11 channels used as the standard for 802.11b/g.
> 
> They are:
> 
> Chan 1  2412 GHz
> Chan 2  2417 GHz
> Chan 3  2422 GHz
> Chan 4  2427 GHz
> Chan 5  2432 GHz
> Chan 6  2437 GHz
> Chan 7  2442 GHz
> Chan 8  2447 GHz
> Chan 9  2452 GHz
> Chan 102457 GHz
> Chan 112462 GHz
> 
> Channels 1 through 8 fall in the Amateur band of 2390 to 2450 GHz.   
> 
> 73
> 
> Richard D. Reese
> http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tedd Doda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless
> 
> 
> > 
> > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:26:21 -0500, Kevin Custer wrote:
> > 
> >>however feel free to discuss the 
> >>technical nature of the subject in any detail here.
> > 
> > Hi Kevin:
> > 
> > A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
> > radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
> > any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?
> > 
> > Does this have to be done by the manufacturer or can
> > it be done by the user. Please recommend any hardware
> > that can be made to work.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tedd Doda, VE3TJD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Richard D. Reese


There are 11 channels used as the standard for 802.11b/g.

They are:

Chan 1  2412 GHz
Chan 2  2417 GHz
Chan 3  2422 GHz
Chan 4  2427 GHz
Chan 5  2432 GHz
Chan 6  2437 GHz
Chan 7  2442 GHz
Chan 8  2447 GHz
Chan 9  2452 GHz
Chan 102457 GHz
Chan 112462 GHz

Channels 1 through 8 fall in the Amateur band of 2390 to 2450 GHz.   

73

Richard D. Reese
http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless


> 
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:26:21 -0500, Kevin Custer wrote:
> 
>>however feel free to discuss the 
>>technical nature of the subject in any detail here.
> 
> Hi Kevin:
> 
> A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
> radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
> any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?
> 
> Does this have to be done by the manufacturer or can
> it be done by the user. Please recommend any hardware
> that can be made to work.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Tedd Doda, VE3TJD





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Ken Arck

At 08:10 PM 12/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>The hardware is Canadian based out of BC, and their
>website is:
>
>https://tranzeo.com/index.php?section_id=10

<---Thanks for the info, Tedd! Let me know what you find out. Although I'm
thinking this may be a bit of an overkill for my situation but I'm not yet
sure.

My Linux box will be at the foot of a 167' tower, which has a wireless WAP
at the top. But I figure the main lobe (the antenna is a parabolic
reflector type) is anywhere but down, so I *may* need some horsepower even
though it's only 160 something feet away!

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless


On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:00:12 -0800, Ken Arck wrote:

>Hopefully, Kevin's suggestion is Linux usable as well.

Hi Ken:

I'm the feed point of a commercial 802.11 network, and
using their hardware makes things look very easy. 

The hardware is Canadian based out of BC, and their
website is:

https://tranzeo.com/index.php?section_id=10

I've sent them an email to find out if the hardware
can be made to work in the Ham band portion of the band.



Tedd Doda, VE3TJD

Lazer Audio and Electronics
Baden, Ontario, Canada





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless


On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:00:12 -0800, Ken Arck wrote:

>Hopefully, Kevin's suggestion is Linux usable as well.

Hi Ken:

I'm the feed point of a commercial 802.11 network, and
using their hardware makes things look very easy. 

The hardware is Canadian based out of BC, and their
website is:

https://tranzeo.com/index.php?section_id=10

I've sent them an email to find out if the hardware
can be made to work in the Ham band portion of the band.



Tedd Doda, VE3TJD

Lazer Audio and Electronics
Baden, Ontario, Canada





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Ken Arck

At 07:54 PM 12/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
>radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
>any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?

<---I'm curious about this myself. I'm installing a Linux machine at my
site soon and this would be good knowledge to have.

Hopefully, Kevin's suggestion is Linux usable as well.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:26:21 -0500, Kevin Custer wrote:

>however feel free to discuss the 
>technical nature of the subject in any detail here.

Hi Kevin:

A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?

Does this have to be done by the manufacturer or can
it be done by the user. Please recommend any hardware
that can be made to work.

Thanks,

Tedd Doda, VE3TJD

Lazer Audio and Electronics
Baden, Ontario, Canada

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:26:21 -0500, Kevin Custer wrote:

>however feel free to discuss the 
>technical nature of the subject in any detail here.

Hi Kevin:

A bunch of us were thinking about setting up a Ham
radio only network here near Kitchener. Can you give
any details on the "reprogramming" of the hardware?

Does this have to be done by the manufacturer or can
it be done by the user. Please recommend any hardware
that can be made to work.

Thanks,

Tedd Doda, VE3TJD

Lazer Audio and Electronics
Baden, Ontario, Canada

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Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote Receiver

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I'm beginning to wonder if we might be competition for something you are 
>cooking up.
>  
>
I'm always cooking, but rarely does the meal taste very good.  ;-)

Seriously, I'm mostly interested in this just as just part of a larger 
linked system we already have in place here that it'd be really nice to 
rip out half the radios and do everything digitally... but PC's on high 
mountains are not a good solution for this thing...

The solution needs to be either really rugged or just so cheap one can 
toss it out and put in a new one if the lightning gods are unkind.

I'm just dreaming aloud on this VoIP stuff... I know eventually it'll 
all "get there". 

I really should order up one of your boards and play with your system 
(off the mountain).  It looks like a very neat system.

Nate WY0X

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP

Bob Dengler wrote:

>...and if internet isn't available at the site, how about using 802.11b or 
>a to bring it in?  I've yet with play with that stuff, but it sounds to me 
>like a pair of gain antennas at each end could get you a couple of miles to 
>where you would have wired internet access.  Anyone try this?
>
>Bob NO6B
>  
>
A gang of us attempted about a 9 mile shot between two of the existing 
high-mountain repeater sites here in Colorado last summer with similar 
802.11b gear as Kevin mentioned he's using.  Just for fun.

We weren't successful for silly reasons (the test site on one mountain 
isn't really line-of-sight to the other...)  There's a big-assed rock in 
the way which we kinda all knew, but it was made a lot more obvious to 
the two guys at ground-level on that end of the link when they got 
there.  They made a valiant attempt to get higher, though.  ;-)

But it was a nice day to be out in the mountains with a 10' mast 
strapped to the back of the Jeep and a gusty wind trying to pull at the 
BBQ dish and yank on all the bungee cords holding the test jury-rig!

We'll probably try again sometime when the WX is good again.  Next time, 
someone will have to go up one of the towers - or we'll have to dynamite 
about half the mountain out of the way.  ;-)

Meanwhile, down here in town, a number of folks have 4-5 mile 
non-quite-line-of-sight stuff working, just fine.  1-2 Mb/s.  And I've 
talked to plenty of IRLP node owners that have done similar things to 
get IP to their sites from their houses/etc.  One guy went nuts and 
after he found out it worked, and he feeds his whole small town in 
Canada as a "community ISP provider" from his house now.  He had access 
to all the major towers in town in his small town, and just kept 
expanding the network... meanwhile the community now pays to support his 
IRLP habit. 

Or something like that.   ;-)

And one of our repeater sites is serviced by a local wireless ISP on 5.8 
GHz non-licensed Trango Wireless gear.  Works great.  Pretty funny to 
look at the dish antenna -- their site is about 700' lower than the 
repeater site and the dishes have about 10-15 degress of uptilt 
anyway... they're surplus DSS dishes, so it really looks like the dish 
is pointed at the ground.  Will work great until the tower sheds some 
ice this winter... then we'll see if we're up there hanging a new one 
because the other one's in pieces at the bottom of the tower... heh.

Nate WY0X

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 802.11b wireless

2004-12-09 Thread Daron J. Wilson


> I have a 6.65 mile non-line-of-site path to bring internet access to
my
> home from the center of town where our T1 line exists.  I use 802.11b
> (2.4 gHz) with larger grids (about 24 dB gain) on each end.  There are
> different cards available these days that have better receiver
> sensitivities and more power, however, they are illegal for operation
> when used in non licensed applications.  I simply programmed the cards
> to operate in the ham portion of the band and used my callsign for the
SSID.
> 
> I do not want other peoples opinion on the legality of running
internet
> that is encrypted over the ham band, as I really couldn't care about
> someone else's opinion on my operation, however feel free to discuss
the
> technical nature of the subject in any detail here.

Thanks Kevin, I agree.  Our main link is that way, 18 miles LOS with WEP
enabled, Ad Hoc mode, callsign as the SSID so it should be clear that
it's amateur radio.

http://www.ocrg.org/level2pages/current_projs.html

73

N7HQR





 
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