Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA

[N9LLO]

In a message dated 11/28/05 6:51:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Question:    Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS?   Neil - WA6KLA 
Generally speaking any radio used in part 90 service that transmits 50w or less rf power is acceptable in the GMRS. The GMRS rules tell you to WRITE (not call) the FCCto see if a paticular radio is accepted for part 95. The above is pretty much the answer you will get.
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Two Tone Sequential Paging - UPDATE

[Bob M.]

I found a little bit of info in the back of a MaxTrac
RSS manual. Nothing pertinent on QC-II (at least they
mentioned it) but they did say DTMF was <0.17% and all
the other signalling methods were <1% for frequency
stability. I guess we need to dig a little deeper.

Bob M.
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--- Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I read the EIA-374-A from cover to cover, and it
> doesn't have anything about
> two-tone sequential paging tone formats.  So much
> for assuming that the title
> is accurate!
> 
> Since Motorola developed the Quik-Call II format,
> there is probably a
> published manual on the format specs, but I haven't
> found it.  There is a
> simplified description of the two-tone format in a
> service manual for the
> Spirit pager, but it doesn't go into detail. 
> Perhaps the service manual for a
> Motorola paging encoder would have the info...?
> 
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
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> Eric Lemmon wrote:
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> > Bernie,
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> > The information you seek is probably contained in
> EIA-374-A, entitled "Land
> > Mobile
> > Signaling Standard."  This document was published
> in March 1981, but
> > withdrawn in November 2002.  I'll check on its
> status when I get to work
> > on Monday.
> >
> > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
> >
> > dallasreact112 wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Does anybody in group know the frequency
> tolerance of generated audio
> > > tones used in two tone sequential paging?   I
> know one can get away with
> > > +/- 1Hz on PL encoding and it will generally
> still work.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Bernie Parker
> > > K5BP
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA

[Doug D.]

His license covers his family and allows them to operate GMRS 
equipment. The repeater can be used by other GMRS Licensees if the 
repeater owner chooses to allow them. 

Sec. 95.33  Cooperative use of radio stations in the GMRS.

(a) Licensees (a licensee is the entity to which the license is 
issued) of radio stations in the GMRS may share the use of their 
stations with other entities eligible in the GMRS, subject to the 
following conditions and limitations.
(1) The station to be shared must be individually owned by the 
licensee, jointly owned by the participants and the licensee, leased 
individually by the licensee, or leased jointly by the participants 
and 
the licensee.
(2) The licensee must maintain access to and control over all 
stations authorized under its license.
(3) A station may be shared only:
(i) Without charge;
(ii) On a non-profit basis, with contributions to capital and 
operating expenses including the cost of mobile stations and paging 
receivers prorated equitably among all participants; or
(iii) On a reciprocal basis, i.e., use of one licensee's 
stations 
for the use of another licensee's stations without charge for either 
capital or operating expenses.
(4) All sharing arrangements must be conducted in accordance 
with a 
written agreement to be kept as part of the station records.
(b) [Reserved] 


Head over to the GMRS forum at Popular wireless (link below), there 
are many good knowledgable GMRS licensees over there who can answer 
all your questions.

http://www.popularwireless.com./cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi

DougD
Cumberland GMRS Repeater Group
www.cgrg.webhop.net



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> Joe,
> The Lakes Area GMRS Repeater Group has a lot of good GMRS 
information on 
> their website.  Go to:   http://eebie38.tripod.com/gmrs/
> Hope this helps.
> Johnny
> 
> Joe wrote:
> 
> > I have a spare UHF repeater and duplexer for the project and he 
has a 65 
> > foot tower on the property, so putting a repeater on the air 
would not be 
> > difficult.  His wife could then use an HT around the house to 
keep in 
> > contact with him.
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> > I guess my confusion is that the license requirements state that 
it is for 
> > family, but the repeater would be for many other people.  What 
are the 
> > legalities?
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > At 05:26 PM 11/28/2005 +, you wrote:
> > 
> >>Hi Joe
> >>
> >>I have 4 GMRS repeaters set up in my area.  If all he wants to 
do is
> >>to talk over his 50 acres, wouldn't a base with a decently high
> >>antenna and quality hand held suit the need?  Course a repeater
> >>would be nice for them for trips to town or whatever if he has 
the
> >>space for equipment and a place for a decent antenna 
site...assuming
> >>the town isn't 100 miles away.
> >>
> >>Biggest thing is for them go get licensed and then see about what
> >>type of system would work best.
> >>
> >>just my .02
> >>Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892
> >>
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> >>--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> >>> Interesting.  I have a friend who was just asking me about a 
GMRS
> >>
> >>repeater for he and his wife.  He has aprox. 50 acres of woods 
that
> >>he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's.  His wife is
> >>concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair 
of
> >>Midland GMRS radios.  They don't quite do the job because of a
> >>little terrain blockage due to a hill.  I was thinking of
> >>recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS
> >>repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this 
would
> >>be.  Any suggestions from the group?
> >>
> >>>Joe
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> >>> "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> John,
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> GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for
> individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only.
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA

[Paul Finch]

Johnny,

OK, that's better.  Did not think of that one.  You are correct, wish they
could have that tolerance though.  Like you said they are a dern good radio.
Is the tolerance the only reason a modified 6060 would not be type accepted
for repeater service?  They would be great little and very cost effective
GMRS repeaters if they could be used.

Paul



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johnny
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:21 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA


Paul,
The PPL6060 is a dern good little radio. HOWEVER, They are not type
accepted for repeater service because they do not meet the frequency
tolerance spec's for repeater service.

95.621
(b) Each GMRS transmitter for mobile station, small base station and
control station operation must be maintained within a frequency
tolerance of 0.0005%. Each GMRS transmitter for base station (except
small base), mobile relay station or fixed station operation must be
maintained within a frequency tolerance of 0.00025%.

Here is the link for the full set of rules.

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_04/47cfr95_04.html
Johnny

Paul Finch wrote:
> Johnny,
>
> What constitutes the loss of the FCC type acceptance?  Does anyone have
the
> rules section pertaining to this question?  Like I said, the worst thing
you
> do to some of these radios is removal of the antenna switch which has
caused
> some interference problems with near field transmitters.
>
> Paul
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johnny
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:44 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
>
>
> No, it does not.
> Johnny
>
>
> Neil McKie wrote:
>
>>  Question:
>>
>>  Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS?
>>
>>  Neil - WA6KLA
>>
>>Mike Morris wrote:
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>>>At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote:
>>>
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Interesting.  I have a friend who was just asking me about a
GMRS repeater for he and his wife.  He has aprox. 50 acres of
woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's.  His
wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got
them a pair of Midland GMRS radios.  They don't quite do the
job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill.  I was
thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set
up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how
feasible this would be.  Any suggestions from the group?

Joe
>>>
>>>Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago.  A regular
>>>outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the
>>>crest of a small hill.  Inside was a pair of car batteries,  a
>>>Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was
>>>a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south.  Next to the building
>>>and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short
>>>stationmaster.
>>>
>>>Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license.
>>>
>>>There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder.
>>>
>>>Mike WA6ILQ
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA

[Paul Finch]

Chris,
 
Is that any radio?  Is there any 
specification as to the frequency tolerance of the transmitter mentioned?  
Guess I had better look it all up.  I don't know why I am interested, guess 
it's because I have so many of these PPL 6060 radios on hand.  I have 5 
brand new-in-the-box 6060's and have been wondering what the heck I am going to 
do with them.  It may be fun to put up a GMRS repeater but not at the price 
of a new repeater.
 
Paul
 

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:10 
  AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
  [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
  
  In a message dated 11/28/05 6:51:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Question:    Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC 
Type Acceptance for GMRS?   Neil - WA6KLA 
  
  Generally speaking any radio used in part 90 service that transmits 50w 
  or less rf power is acceptable in the GMRS. The GMRS rules tell you to WRITE 
  (not call) the FCCto see if a paticular radio is accepted for part 95. The 
  above is pretty much the answer you will get.
   
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA

[Doug Bade]

Paul;
 The Manufacturer specs for the radio will indicate what 
services it is type accepted for. I would start with them as they are 
still in business, even though it is an older model.

 There was a list (I think it may have been a hyper link) 
published at one time on the Mastr II group which was detailing which 
stations and mobiles were currently type accepted for GMRS ( Part 95 ).

 Interestingly the FCC did not have the Mastr II listed 
although the documents were discovered from GE folks to indicate it 
had been, still is.

 The problem is the old type acceptance lists ( 70's and 
80's) were never brought forward into the new FCC database which is 
now computerized ( the old list was a manual system) and many 
previously type accepted part 95 radios were inadvertently "dropped". 
It is incumbent on the user to be able to prove a radio is currently, 
or prove it was, and was dropped "accidently" in the event an issue 
arises. Part 95 is enforced and fines will be levied if needed. One 
who uses portables for local ops may not be on radar, but pop a 
repeater up ( especially if the freq already has a repeater in your 
area and is in use ) and you best make sure your skivvies are clean...

 No official ( as far as we could find ) ruling has been 
rendered regarding the old listings being valid or more specifically 
INVALID if they are not in the new database at the FCC, but 
historically speaking there is no reason a radio would ever be 
de-listed except if it no longer met some technical criterion, and 
for the most part that has not changed in many years...( in the GMRS 
rules) Radios like the Standard GMR1 and GMR2 base and portable were 
type accepted but by todays standards, junk.none the less would 
still be legal to use..
 Capability of meeting the rules does NOT constitute 
acceptable for operation however, it MUST be officially type accepted 
by the manufacturer or someone representing them for this purpose... 
Technically if a radio does meet criterion, one could get it type 
accepted, if one wanted to pay for it and "re-badge" the radio under 
your name, but that is probably not economical for an individual.

Doug
KD8B




At 09:26 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote:
>Chris,
>
>Is that any radio?  Is there any specification as to the frequency 
>tolerance of the transmitter mentioned?  Guess I had better look it 
>all up.  I don't know why I am interested, guess it's because I have 
>so many of these PPL 6060 radios on hand.  I have 5 brand 
>new-in-the-box 6060's and have been wondering what the heck I am 
>going to do with them.  It may be fun to put up a GMRS repeater but 
>not at the price of a new repeater.
>
>Paul
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:10 AM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
>
>In a message dated 11/28/05 6:51:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Question:
>
>   Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS?
>
>   Neil - WA6KLA
>
>Generally speaking any radio used in part 90 service that transmits 
>50w or less rf power is acceptable in the GMRS. The GMRS rules tell 
>you to WRITE (not call) the FCCto see if a paticular radio is 
>accepted for part 95. The above is pretty much the answer you will get.
>
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>N9LLO
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tait T856 audio question

[Bernd Maestling]

Hello Ed,

my unit don't have this terminals on the back. 
It was prewired from module to module (original)
and the speaker goes via the charger-module to
the speaker in the channel switcher.

I'll check the jumpers.

73
Bernd

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wa6rqd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Bernd Maestling wrote:
> > Hello Ed,
> > 
> > I can't follow you at the moment.
> > My settings are now the following:
> > 
> > T855: 
> > PL100 1-2
> > PL101 2-3
> > PL102 2-3
> > PL103 1-2
> > PL104 1-2
> > Pl105 1-2
> > PL106 1-2
> > 
> > T856:
> > PL100 3-4
> > PL101 5-6
> > PL102 5-6
> > PL103 1-2
> > 
> > The Audio is going from the T855 Pin 1 (Line I/P1)
> > -> controller -> T856 Pin 6 (Audio 2).
> > 
> > All other combinations won't give audio or this loud noise
> > on the audio as I wrote before (Audio1->Audio1 (or Audio2, 
> > can't remember))
> > 
> > What did you mean with TB1-1...?
> > 
> > The jumpers on the connetors are all open now.
> > 
> > 73
> > Bernd
> > DM5BM
> > 
> 
> You have the T855 RX set up as de-emphasised which should produce a 
> reasonably flat response with varying audio input frequencies. This is 
> the same as most folks use. As you are connected to T855-1 for RX audio 
> you also need to ground T855-4. If you don't want to use the
transformer 
> isolated RX audio (T855-1&4), you could take it directly from T855-6 
> which is de-emphasised unsquelched audio.
> 
> It looks like you have the T856 TX set up in a way that would roll off 
> the highs. Try:
> PL100 3-4
> PL101 1-2
> PL102 9-10
> PL103 3-4
> This should give a flatter overall system response RX to TX.
> 
> TB1 is on many / most of the base stations and is a terminal block that 
> the receiver and transmitter wiring terminates at (TB2 is used for 
> multiple frequency select). Both terminal blocks are part of a small PC 
> board on the back of the card cage. By changing the jumpers on that PC 
> board you can configure the system to be a stand alone repeater by 
> connecting the RX 600 ohm line outputs to the TX 600 ohm line inputs
and 
> also connect the GATE O/P (COS) to the TX PTT input. Or you can remove 
> the line input/output and GATE jumpers to configure it as a base 
> station. Since you are using an external controller, you would set
it up 
> as a base station and use your controller for both audio and PTT
functions.
> 
> As your Tait was originally shipped as a stand alone repeater, it will 
> have the line input and outputs tied together unless you have removed 
> the jumpers on the small external PC board.
> 
> Verify that:
> T855-1 is not connected to T856-1
> T855-2 is not connected to T856-2
> T855-3 is not connected to T856-3
> T855-4 is not connected to T856-4
> If they are, make sure T856-6 is not connected to T856-7 or you will 
> have multiple audio paths. This may be part of the loud noise you hear 
> using some configurations.
> 
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> WA6RQD
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tait T856 audio question

[wa6rqd]

Bernd Maestling wrote:
> Hello Ed,
> 
> my unit don't have this terminals on the back. 
> It was prewired from module to module (original)
> and the speaker goes via the charger-module to
> the speaker in the channel switcher.
> 
> I'll check the jumpers.
> 
> 73
> Bernd
> 

Bernd,

If the 600 lines are wired together between the RX and TX 
(1-1,2-2,3-3,4-4) you will definately need to remove the TX audio 1-2 
jumper.

Ed Yoho
WA6RQD




 
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[Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[chris_inos]

can one remotely activate a repeater without tones?
Say:   click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater is up.
   click PTT four times  within 3 seconda dn repeater is down

thanks
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[Ronny Julian]

It's the econo-controller from the makers of the Clapper!


chris_inos wrote:

>can one remotely activate a repeater without tones?
>Say:   click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater is up.
>   click PTT four times  within 3 seconda dn repeater is down
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: repeater..activate without tones

[skipp025]

Yep, 

It's done all the time in non ham circuits. Motorola 
has or had two or three pulse control circuits. 

You see these type of controls at airports for the 
runway lights, metro hospitals for the Motorola Hear 
system, ACC controller reverse control from an HF 
radio (typical marine radio) and a "shack master" 
and again with Motorola's old Micom HF Marine System. 

They were all original pulse counter circuits, which 
are now better done with a small pic or uP controller 
circuit. 

The potential for trouble is with inexperienced users, 
pranksters and undesired pulse noise.  Sometimes they 
are from the same location... 

cheers,
skipp 

> "chris_inos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> can one remotely activate a repeater without tones?
> Say:   
> click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater 
> is up. click PTT four times  within 3 seconda dn 
> repeater is down
> thanks
> csi








 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[XE2SI]

How about using a subaudible tone "PL" decoder to activate a flip-flop
circuit
that switch on-off the PTT line??

Juan XE2SI 

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

can one remotely activate a repeater without tones?
Say:   click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater is up.
   click PTT four times  within 3 seconda dn repeater is down

thanks
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: repeater..activate without tones

[Nate Duehr]

skipp025 wrote:

> The potential for trouble is with inexperienced users, 
> pranksters and undesired pulse noise.  Sometimes they 
> are from the same location... 

LOL... good description.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA

[N9LLO]

In a message dated 11/29/05 9:35:16 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Is that any radio?  Is there any specification as to the frequency tolerance of the transmitter mentioned?  Guess I had better look it all up.  I don't know why I am interested, guess it's because I have so many of these PPL 6060 radios on hand.  I have 5 brand new-in-the-box 6060's and have been wondering what the heck I am going to do with them.  It may be fun to put up a GMRS repeater but not at the price of a new repeater.
 
Paul
Paul, If you are going to put a repeater I suggest you throughly read the rules. My statement was general in nature but is backed up by the actual FCC rule regarding type CERTIFIED for use in part 95. There is no longer a published list of radios acceptable for use, there are radios manufactured today that are not specifially type ACCEPTED for part 95 use that are legal to use because they are type CERTIFIED. Here is the rule text...
 
Sec. 95.129  Station equipment.    Every station in a GMRS system must use transmitters the FCC has certificated for use in the GMRS. Write to any FCC Field Office to find out if a particular transmitter has been certificated for the GMRS. All station equipment in a GMRS system must comply with the technical rules in part 95.[63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, 1998]
 
As it says you must write the FCC to find out if you equipment is certified. The reply you recieve from the FCC will lead you to the same conclusion I presented in my statement about part 90 radios GENERALLY being ok ,just watch the power level and freq stability for repeaters.  There are other rules to consider but you can read these for yourself. 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[JOHN MACKEY]

It's not really practical to try to make this happen.  Instead, use tones, or
a dedicated phone line, or an internet connection.

The idea of click a PTT X number of times could EASILY be falsed
by someone with a weak "picket fence" type signal into the repeater.

-- Original Message --
Received: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:44:41 AM CST
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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

> can one remotely activate a repeater without tones?
> Say:   click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater is up.
>click PTT four times  within 3 seconda dn repeater is down
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[mch]

I imagine the kerchunkers would have a ball playing with that!

In the middle of a conversation, they would shut the repeater off.

Joe M.

chris_inos wrote:
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> Say:   click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater is up.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[Neil McKie]

  That would be ok ... until some user came on with the wrong tone. 
 We had a controller of that type some 20 years ... had to modify 
 that when users started to use a CTCSS tone on their transmitters. 

  On occasion, we found the repeater was turned off - so we turned 
 it back on.  After the modification we had installed, that problem 
 went away. 

  Neil 


XE2SI wrote:
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> How about using a subaudible tone "PL" decoder to activate a flip-flop
> circuit
> that switch on-off the PTT line??
> 
> Juan XE2SI
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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones
> 
> can one remotely activate a repeater without tones?
> Say:   click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater is up.
>click PTT four times  within 3 seconda dn repeater is down
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[Repeater-Builder] Keys

[Gerald Bishop]

Hi, All- Looking for keys for a mastr ll station,6ft rack,locks front
and back.Book showes 1 key and 2 locks. Book is saying 1000GE.Anyone
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Keys

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I have keys for all GE  & Motorola Equipment.   Send me 
your address and will get a copy made of them made for you..
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

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Joe M.  I do not think so...this is a well control group...something like one  big family ...not more than 10 users...each one look-out for the other..  outside the continental us...in an island of 3000 people.  thanks for your contribution.  csimch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I imagine the kerchunkers would have a ball playing with that!In the middle of a conversation, they would shut the repeater off.Joe M.chris_inos wrote:> > can one remotely activate a repeater without tones?> Say:   click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater is up.>click PTT four times  within 3 seconda dn repeater is down> > thanks> csi> > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > Yahoo!
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[XE2SI]

  He mention users are with marine radios, they do not have PL 
  encoders.>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 
  repeater..activate without tones>  That would be ok ... 
  until some user came on with the wrong tone.> We had a controller of 
  that type some 20 years ... had to modify  that when users started to use 
  a CTCSS tone on their transmitters. > On occasion, we found 
  the repeater was turned off - so we turned  it back on.  After the 
  modification we had installed, that problem  went 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[mch]

Chris: Lucky you. :-)

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[Repeater-Builder] Linking 220/440

[KA9QJG]

Hello Everyone, I do not wish to re invent the Wheel but I would like Some
Reasonable suggestions to Do the Following, from others who have already
done this, I have a 440 and 220 Repeater at two different locations less the
20 Miles apart, I would like to full duplex link the two together I picked
up a old working Cobra 200/ Midland 220 Mobile and probably could get
another, What would be the best way to do this, and Please keep it in Layman
terms.
Controller 440 is S-Com 5K
   220 is a NHRC-3 Plus

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[Repeater-Builder] File received with every message

[Paul Finch]

Hello,

Anyone know why I am getting a text file with every email from my Yahoo
groups?  This just started a couple days ago.  Everything looks fine on the
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[Repeater-Builder] Motorola Repeater

[Maxwell D Pratt]

 I have A motorola Repeater Marked " PAC-RT " "Mod.# H13TTY3110A" 
 "Ser.#287ALWoo387" Freq. 153.7400 would like to know what it is 
 Can't find in ID in "Repeater-Builder". Thanks 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Repeater

[HQ54]

Hope this helps you out.
 
http://www.open.org/~blenderm/syntorx/pac.html
 
Michael  -Original Message-From: Maxwell D Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:42:06 -Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Repeater


 I have A motorola Repeater Marked " PAC-RT " "Mod.# H13TTY3110A" 
 "Ser.#287ALWoo387" Freq. 153.7400 would like to know what it is 
 Can't find in ID in "Repeater-Builder". Thanks 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Linking 220/440

[KA9QJG]

Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Linking 220/440



  Can the sites 'see' each other?   YES

If you don't have a spare 440 MHz receiver, I have a couple
 around here ...---Thanks ButI Have a Maxtrac and a Spectra
Tec -

  Hope this helps,  Yes is Did -

  Neil - WA6KLA

And I Thank You very Much too

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Linking 220/440

[Neil McKie]

  Hello . 

KA9QJG wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Linking 220/440
> 
>>   Can the sites 'see' each other?  
>
> YES
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>> If you don't have a spare 440 MHz receiver, I have a couple
>>  around here ... 
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> ---Thanks ButI Have a Maxtrac and a Spectra Tec
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>>   Hope this helps,
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>  Yes is Did -
> 
>>   Neil - WA6KLA
> 
> And I Thank You very Much too
> 
> Happy Repeater Building
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> Don KA9QJG

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Repeater

[Eric Lemmon]

Dale,

By a remarkable coincidence, I have a PAC-RT unit with the same model
number, but a different VHF frequency.

The PAC-RT is not a repeater in the normal sense, but an extender.  Here
in California, its most common use is in a CHP cruiser.  Each vehicle
has a high-power mobile radio that operates in low band, and the officer
carries a high band VHF portable radio on his belt.  When he is away
from the vehicle, calls coming in from the base station are relayed by
the PAC-RT unit to the officer's portable radio.  When he keys his
portable radio, his call is relayed back over the mobile unit.  The
PAC-RT unit has logic circuits that allow one unit to be the master
unit, in case several cars arrive at the scene.

The service manual for the PAC-RT is still in print.  Ask for
publication 6881010C06.  More info is at www.batlabs.com.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Maxwell D Pratt wrote:

>  I have a motorola Repeater Marked " PAC-RT " "Mod.# H13TTY3110A"
>  "Ser.#287ALWoo387" Freq. 153.7400 would like to know what it is
>  Can't find in ID in "Repeater-Builder". Thanks
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Repeater

[Chuck Kelsey]

It connects to a mobile radio and allows you to use an HT on 153.74 to 
utilize your mobile radio to effectively extend your range. It is not a 
traditional repeater, just a low power transceiver.

Chuck
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>  I have A motorola Repeater Marked " PAC-RT " "Mod.# H13TTY3110A" 
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[Repeater-Builder] Wanted: 6m exciter for beacon

[F Mitchell]

Anyone have a 6 meter Hamtronics TA51 Exciter
or similar low power exciter  that
they would like to dispose of for beacon use?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater..activate without tones

[scomind]

Hi Chris,
 
> can one remotely activate a repeater without tones?> 
Say:   click PTT three times within 3 seconds and repeater is 
up.>       click PTT four times  within 3 
seconda dn repeater is down
 
The S-COM 6K and 7K repeater controllers have had this feature for 
many years due to our involvement in aviation (mic clicks are 
used at unattended airstrips to bring up beacons and landing lights).
 
The 6K and 7K have been discontinued, but the feature will be 
kept in the new 7330 controller.
 
Frankly, there hasn't been a lot of interest in this kind of feature in the 
ham market. There was some interest in Long Tone Zero (LiTZ) years ago, 
but that feature requires the user to have a working DTMF 
encoder.
 
I must admit I like the idea of allowing a user to get some kind of 
emergency attention by simply clicking the mic on the repeater input 
without needing DTMF, CTCSS, or anything else besides a radio. The 
controller could send a paging tone or DTMF sequence over the air, 
switch the repeater to carrier access, or whatever it takes to get help.
 
(The number of clicks, their duration, and the overall window time are 
all programmable to minimize accidental/noise activation.)
 
73,
Bob 
 
Bob Schmid, 
WA9FBO, MemberS-COM, LLCPO Box 1546LaPorte CO 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] tone reed sources

[Maire-Radios]

have a lot of 127.3  if needed.


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To: 
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] tone reed sources


> 
> I call three different locations to find tone reeds. 
> 
> First, MDM Ted...  back in the snow 
> Second, Bud at CW Wolfe Comm  in Billings MT. 
> Third... Air Comm in AZ 
> 
> there is the obvious choice of ebay.. 
> 
> cheers
> skipp 
> 
> 
>>  "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Neil,
>> 
>> I remember that now, it was the 1000 series of reeds that would
> interchange.
>> Been way to long.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil McKie
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:23 PM
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted - Parts for RCA 500
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   No they are not - although they look the same same as the
>>  Motrac, Mocom-30 & 70, and Micor encoder reeds ... they are not
>>  interchangeable.
>> 
>>   The internal coupling is the difference.
>> 
>>   The Motorola K-1000A series reeds seem to work ok though.
>> 
>>   Neil - WA6KLA
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Finch wrote:
>> >
>> > Robert,
>> >
>> > I think those are the same reeds that are in a Motorola radio, at
> least in
>> > the Vibrasponder style (I think).  Man, I did not think anyone
> else had or
>> > knew anything about those old radios!  I have four of them here in
> storage
>> > and have been wondering what I am going to do with them.  They are
> really
>> > pretty good radios.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> > WB5IDM
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of georgiaskywarn
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:45 PM
>> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted - Parts for RCA 500
>> >
>> > Looking a few things for a RCA 500 Repeater;
>> > pl reeds - 77hz
>> > Mic
>> > Please contact me direct.
>> > Thanks!
>> > Robert
>> > KD4YDC
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[Repeater-Builder] Motorola Low band Base

[radio5000]

Picked up a C71RTB3146D. Looks like a Micor base but PA has what looks like Mocom70 heatsink. I am sure it is intermittent duty. Its on 45 Mhz. Any good for 6 meters?
 
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