Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID

[Bob M.]

That part number 2369E44 looks strangely like the end
of a Motorola component part number. Usually they have
7 digits, a letter, and two more digits, but in this
case the first 3 digits are missing. Some of the "M"
series transistors are marked, for example, M9876, and
the p/n is something like x98E76 or even
xxx9876Exx, in other words, some of the "M" number is
in the p/n. I don't recall what the prefix is for
transistors (68 is for manuals); maybe it's one of
their house numbers.

Bob M.
==
--- Mike Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 12:48 PM 12/11/05, you wrote:
> 
> >This transistor is in a Hamtronics Pre-Selector
> preamp from the 80's.  The
> >number on the top of the transistor is 2369E44. 
> Anyone know what the
> >correct part number is, or what it is? I have tried
> a Goggle search and have
> >not came up with anything.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jim, K8COP
> 
> If that's the one with the FET, I had one of those,
> blew it up, and put a
> U310 in it. Worked better than the original.
> 
> Mike WA6ILQ

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:

[Maire-Radios]

are these for UHF units or VHF?

thanks  john


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To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:


> While I don't have the reed freq you're looking for, I
> do have two SpectraTAC receivers. The PL board in
> those will work with either the fat VibraSponder reeds
> (that's what it's designed for) or the thinner
> VibraSender reeds. I found that the senders tend to
> keep vibrating longer when the signal goes away, which
> probably makes them work better in transmit
> applications where they don't need to be responsive to
> input signals.
> 
> I got one "sender" from MDM Radio. I then found a guy
> in Canada who sold me two "sponders". If you look
> around the web long enough you'll probably find the
> one you need. I also bought a brand new SpectraTAC PL
> Decoder board from someone to go into a chassis that
> never had one. Stuff is out there - it's a matter of
> looking and asking anyone and everyone.
> 
> It appears that the "sponder" begins life as a
> "sender" then they solder some thicker metal around
> the sides to make sure it can't fit into a "sender"
> socket.
> 
> Bob M.
> ==
> --- "Adam C. Feuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> The Vibrasponder is needed in a Spectra Tac voting
>> receiver.  If I'm not 
>> mistaken, it's that fatter one.  However, I have
>> seen the thinner one work 
>> in that receiver.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Adam N2ACF
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mike Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 16:05
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:
>> 
>> 
>> > At 08:22 AM 12/11/05, you wrote:
>> >
>> >>Hello All,
>> >>
>> >>I'm looking for a TLN8381A or a KLN6209A
>> Vibrasponder on 67.0 hz.
>> >
>> > The 8381 is the small fat reed used in the Motrac,
>> Motran
>> > and Micor PL decoders.
>> >
>> > The 6209 is one of the small thin reeds, and is
>> factory spec'd as the
>> > decode reed in Mitreks that use reeds (there were
>> two tone boards
>> > for the Mitrek, only one used reeds).
>> >
>> > The fat reeds were about 30% thicker than the thin
>> reeds, and it
>> > makes a difference: if your decoder expects a fat
>> reed and you
>> > plug in a thin reed you get less coupling and it
>> can cost you some
>> > decode sensitivity.  There are some thin reeds
>> that will work in
>> > place of an 8381 but not all.  It depends on the
>> decoder and the
>> > reed.
>> >
>> > For a photo go look at eBay item 5840180977
>> >
>>
> 
>> >
>> > First of all the guy thinks they are crystals,
>> second of all
>> > the photos are out of focus, but they do show the
>> three
>> > basic sizes -
>> > the smallest are Permacode filters (for handhelds
>> - think "solid state 
>> > reed"),
>> > the middle size is a small reed, and the large
>> reed is the 8381 fat reed.
>> > For the purposes of this discussion forget the
>> Permacode.
>> >
>> > So are you looking for a fat reed or a thin reed?
>> >
>> > BTW, what radio is this for?
>> >
>> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>Thanks!
>> >>
>> >>Adam N2ACF
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike WA6ILQ
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:

[Bob M.]

While I don't have the reed freq you're looking for, I
do have two SpectraTAC receivers. The PL board in
those will work with either the fat VibraSponder reeds
(that's what it's designed for) or the thinner
VibraSender reeds. I found that the senders tend to
keep vibrating longer when the signal goes away, which
probably makes them work better in transmit
applications where they don't need to be responsive to
input signals.

I got one "sender" from MDM Radio. I then found a guy
in Canada who sold me two "sponders". If you look
around the web long enough you'll probably find the
one you need. I also bought a brand new SpectraTAC PL
Decoder board from someone to go into a chassis that
never had one. Stuff is out there - it's a matter of
looking and asking anyone and everyone.

It appears that the "sponder" begins life as a
"sender" then they solder some thicker metal around
the sides to make sure it can't fit into a "sender"
socket.

Bob M.
==
--- "Adam C. Feuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> The Vibrasponder is needed in a Spectra Tac voting
> receiver.  If I'm not 
> mistaken, it's that fatter one.  However, I have
> seen the thinner one work 
> in that receiver.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Adam N2ACF
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 16:05
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:
> 
> 
> > At 08:22 AM 12/11/05, you wrote:
> >
> >>Hello All,
> >>
> >>I'm looking for a TLN8381A or a KLN6209A
> Vibrasponder on 67.0 hz.
> >
> > The 8381 is the small fat reed used in the Motrac,
> Motran
> > and Micor PL decoders.
> >
> > The 6209 is one of the small thin reeds, and is
> factory spec'd as the
> > decode reed in Mitreks that use reeds (there were
> two tone boards
> > for the Mitrek, only one used reeds).
> >
> > The fat reeds were about 30% thicker than the thin
> reeds, and it
> > makes a difference: if your decoder expects a fat
> reed and you
> > plug in a thin reed you get less coupling and it
> can cost you some
> > decode sensitivity.  There are some thin reeds
> that will work in
> > place of an 8381 but not all.  It depends on the
> decoder and the
> > reed.
> >
> > For a photo go look at eBay item 5840180977
> >
>

> >
> > First of all the guy thinks they are crystals,
> second of all
> > the photos are out of focus, but they do show the
> three
> > basic sizes -
> > the smallest are Permacode filters (for handhelds
> - think "solid state 
> > reed"),
> > the middle size is a small reed, and the large
> reed is the 8381 fat reed.
> > For the purposes of this discussion forget the
> Permacode.
> >
> > So are you looking for a fat reed or a thin reed?
> >
> > BTW, what radio is this for?
> >
> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >>Adam N2ACF
> >
> >
> > Mike WA6ILQ

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID

[Joe]

I don't know if this helps, but the Hamtronics R144 and R220 receiver used 
a 3N201 dual-gate FET for an RF amplifier just before the 3 section helical 
resonator.  I wonder if it is the same part?

73, Joe, K1ike

At 03:48 PM 12/11/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>This transistor is in a Hamtronics Pre-Selector preamp from the 80's.  The
>number on the top of the transistor is 2369E44.  Anyone know what the
>correct part number is, or what it is? I have tried a Goggle search and have
>not came up with anything.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim, K8COP







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Flexar

[Eric Lemmon]

Rich,

There were four manuals pertaining to FLEXAR equipment published;
unfortunately, all of them are out of print:

6881035E55 Basic Service Manual for VHF, UHF, and 800 MHz stations
6881045E10 UHF Base/|Repeater Stations Options Manual supplement
6881109E06 Base Station Owner's Manual
6881109E87 Base/Repeater Station Owner's Manual

The first two manuals listed above will have all of the info you need.
Now that you know what the numbers are, perhaps you can find them on the
Internet or from one of the many used-manual vendors.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Rich wrote:

> Looking for a manual for a UHF   Motorola FLEXAR.
> How do you make it a repeater?
> Would like to change the Crystals.
> Rich
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:

[Adam C. Feuer]

Hi Mike,

The Vibrasponder is needed in a Spectra Tac voting receiver.  If I'm not 
mistaken, it's that fatter one.  However, I have seen the thinner one work 
in that receiver.

Thanks!

Adam N2ACF

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 16:05
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:


> At 08:22 AM 12/11/05, you wrote:
>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I'm looking for a TLN8381A or a KLN6209A Vibrasponder on 67.0 hz.
>
> The 8381 is the small fat reed used in the Motrac, Motran
> and Micor PL decoders.
>
> The 6209 is one of the small thin reeds, and is factory spec'd as the
> decode reed in Mitreks that use reeds (there were two tone boards
> for the Mitrek, only one used reeds).
>
> The fat reeds were about 30% thicker than the thin reeds, and it
> makes a difference: if your decoder expects a fat reed and you
> plug in a thin reed you get less coupling and it can cost you some
> decode sensitivity.  There are some thin reeds that will work in
> place of an 8381 but not all.  It depends on the decoder and the
> reed.
>
> For a photo go look at eBay item 5840180977
> 
>
> First of all the guy thinks they are crystals, second of all
> the photos are out of focus, but they do show the three
> basic sizes -
> the smallest are Permacode filters (for handhelds - think "solid state 
> reed"),
> the middle size is a small reed, and the large reed is the 8381 fat reed.
> For the purposes of this discussion forget the Permacode.
>
> So are you looking for a fat reed or a thin reed?
>
> BTW, what radio is this for?
>
>>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Adam N2ACF
>
>
> Mike WA6ILQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID

[Mike Morris]

At 12:48 PM 12/11/05, you wrote:

>This transistor is in a Hamtronics Pre-Selector preamp from the 80's.  The
>number on the top of the transistor is 2369E44.  Anyone know what the
>correct part number is, or what it is? I have tried a Goggle search and have
>not came up with anything.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim, K8COP

If that's the one with the FET, I had one of those, blew it up, and put a
U310 in it. Worked better than the original.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID

[Roger White]

Maybe it's a 2N2369?

Roger W5RD
> --- "Jim, K8COP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> This transistor is in a Hamtronics Pre-Selector preamp from the 80's. 
>> The number on the top of the transistor is 2369E44.
>>
>> Jim, K8COP






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID

[dalite01]

>From their website, under spare parts:  21937, 2SC2369  $4.50

Not Sure, but looks like it would be what you are looking for.

David
KD4NUE

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To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID


> This transistor is in a Hamtronics Pre-Selector preamp from the 80's.  The
> number on the top of the transistor is 2369E44.  Anyone know what the
> correct part number is, or what it is? I have tried a Goggle search and 
> have
> not came up with anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim, K8COP






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID

[Jim, K8COP]

Mike,

I have tried that, and they nolonger have an instruction sheet for it.  The 
manual listed is the newer one, not the one from the 80's.  I thought they 
would still at least have something available.  Spoke with them on the 
telephone and got nowhere...

Jim


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To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID


> Hi, Jim,
> figure out which one of the preamp/preselectors you
> have and then go to the Hamtronics web site and
> download the manual for it. The manuals are found on
> the bottom of the side-bar on the left of the web
> site. Hamtronics used mostly "Philips" brand of
> transistors, but, it depends on the particular
> Preselector/preamp you have. (www.hamtronics.com)
> Mike
> n9wzx
>
>
>
> --- "Jim, K8COP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> This transistor is in a Hamtronics Pre-Selector
>> preamp from the 80's.  The
>> number on the top of the transistor is 2369E44.
>> Anyone know what the
>> correct part number is, or what it is? I have tried
>> a Goggle search and have
>> not came up with anything.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim, K8COP
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Repeater-Builder] Flexar

[Rich]

Looking for a manual for a UHF   Motorola FLEXAR.
How do you make it a repeater?
Would like to change the Crystals.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB201 warning

[Chuck Kelsey]

Are you sure on the Sinclair model number? I had always heard that the 
SRL-222 and SRL224 were dogs.

Chuck



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> I've got to post this information regardless of opinions. 
> 
> 
> There are a number of antenna models, which have 
> proven to be real trouble makers.  The UHF DB-201 is 
> one such animal. Another is the VHF Sinclair SLR/SRL-235 
> antenna.  
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID

[Michael Haddix]

Hi, Jim, 
figure out which one of the preamp/preselectors you
have and then go to the Hamtronics web site and
download the manual for it. The manuals are found on
the bottom of the side-bar on the left of the web
site. Hamtronics used mostly "Philips" brand of
transistors, but, it depends on the particular
Preselector/preamp you have. (www.hamtronics.com)
Mike
n9wzx



--- "Jim, K8COP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This transistor is in a Hamtronics Pre-Selector
> preamp from the 80's.  The 
> number on the top of the transistor is 2369E44. 
> Anyone know what the 
> correct part number is, or what it is? I have tried
> a Goggle search and have 
> not came up with anything.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim, K8COP 
> 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:

[Mike Morris]

At 08:22 AM 12/11/05, you wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>I'm looking for a TLN8381A or a KLN6209A Vibrasponder on 67.0 hz.

The 8381 is the small fat reed used in the Motrac, Motran
and Micor PL decoders.

The 6209 is one of the small thin reeds, and is factory spec'd as the
decode reed in Mitreks that use reeds (there were two tone boards
for the Mitrek, only one used reeds).

The fat reeds were about 30% thicker than the thin reeds, and it
makes a difference: if your decoder expects a fat reed and you
plug in a thin reed you get less coupling and it can cost you some
decode sensitivity.  There are some thin reeds that will work in
place of an 8381 but not all.  It depends on the decoder and the
reed.

For a photo go look at eBay item 5840180977


First of all the guy thinks they are crystals, second of all
the photos are out of focus, but they do show the three
basic sizes -
the smallest are Permacode filters (for handhelds - think "solid state reed"),
the middle size is a small reed, and the large reed is the 8381 fat reed.
For the purposes of this discussion forget the Permacode.

So are you looking for a fat reed or a thin reed?

BTW, what radio is this for?

>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Adam N2ACF


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[Repeater-Builder] Hamtronics Preamp part ID

[Jim, K8COP]

This transistor is in a Hamtronics Pre-Selector preamp from the 80's.  The 
number on the top of the transistor is 2369E44.  Anyone know what the 
correct part number is, or what it is? I have tried a Goggle search and have 
not came up with anything.

Thanks,

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] DR-235 for repeater

[dalite01]

Andy,

I have not personally done this, but the data out connector should suply 
pins for audio in , audio out, Squelch voltage or logic and a reference 
ground.  These signals should provide everything you should need for direct 
linking of 2 radios.  The DB9 is easy to work with.

Since these were designed for packet use, the audio is not affected by front 
panel controls.  It is conditioned and altered after it enters the TNC; or 
in this case, the other rig.

I have set up crossband repeaters using data connectors from other brands, 
and it works well with little external manipulation.

Attached is the page from the manual describing pin function for the DB9 
connector.  Email me if it doesn't go through.

David
KD4NUE






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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DR-235 for repeater


> Looking around the archieves for posts about this but no luck. Does
> anybody have any experience with making a pair of Alinco DR-235's into
> a repeater? I am curious as to where you chose to pull the RX audio to
> the controller and the COR out of the radio. I would be looking for a
> audio output that is not affected by turning the volume control on the
> front of the radio and a COR line direct from the board not from the
> audio feed. TIA
>
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> 445.125 (PL141.3)
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB201 warning

[skipp025]

I've got to post this information regardless of opinions. 

The UHF DB-201 UHF 450-470 antenna is a well known IMD 
generator when placed anywhere semi close to other metal 
objects. 

I fought many a gremlin sourced back to the UHF DB 
antenna. (no problems to report with the vhf or low 
band version).  Motorola used to supply them with new 
base station installs sold to customers. 

Customers would put the UHF Antenna in or around a 
building and it would inter-react with nearby objects 
and crap the whole system. 

I lost count over the number of problematic db-201 
type/brand uhf antennas I changed out repeater systems 
through the years.  

There are a number of antenna models, which have 
proven to be real trouble makers.  The UHF DB-201 is 
one such animal. Another is the VHF Sinclair SLR/SRL-235 
antenna.  

Avoid using the UHF DB-201 or equivalent antenna 
where possible.  Unless you're into self abuse. 

cheers, 
skipp 

> > Anyone know if there are any differences between the 
> > Hi-band vs. the UHF versions of the DB201?  ie. can 
> > one tuned for 170MHz be retuned for 450?
> > Looking at the drawings and specs they all seem to 
> > be the same with the exception of the low band ones 
> > having a longer support pipe.
> > Thanks,
> > Steve








 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB201

[Eric Lemmon]

Steve,

The Andrew DB201 antenna is manufactured in four basic sizes, and is cut at
the factory for the desired frequency.  The info sheet for this antenna
shows that the element sizes are quite different for each of the bands.  Go
here for the spec sheet:



73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

"Steven Passmore, kf6fkk" wrote:

> Anyone know if there are any differences between the Hi-band vs. the UHF
> versions of the DB201?  ie. can one tuned for 170MHz be retuned for 450?
> Looking at the drawings and specs they all seem to be the same with the
> exception of the low band ones having a longer support pipe.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
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[Repeater-Builder] Vibrasponder wanted:

[n2acf]

Hello All,

I'm looking for a TLN8381A or a KLN6209A Vibrasponder on 67.0 hz.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Adam N2ACF







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Connectors wanted

[Adam T. Cately]

   This has been hashed here before, but:

   You can use those two-piece N connectors made for 9913 in the same
way - you need a UG-176 adapter made for RG-8X (Mini-8) to collar over
the FSJ-1 and solder it in place - then carefully screw the main section
of the 9913-N connector onto the adapter - solder the center pin (you
may have to dress the center conductor to mate into the pin) and screw
the outer case onto the connector.

   Makes for another inexpensive way to terminate this style of cable.


At 07:45 PM 12/10/05 -, you wrote:
>
>Well, I made an interesting discovery today.
>
>My local hobby store carries K+S hobby metal. Their 9/16 tubing makes 
>almost an exact collett for taking up the space between the FSJ1-50 and 
>the LMR-400 crimp style N connectors. A 3' piece cost me almost $4 with 
>tax.
>
>So, I cleaned the tubing with a file, tinned it, and I cut an inch of 
>tinned tubing.
>Then I prepped the FSJ by stripping back about an inch and a quarter of 
>the jacket, tinning the shield over the exposed area, and making the 
>center conductor stick out about 1/8".  I filed down the solder since 
>the FSJ is a friction fit into the brass tubing.
>
>I soldered the pin to the center conductor. It's a bit loose, but it's 
>workable.
>
>Then I soldered the brass tubing into the N connector, easily done.
>
>Then I inserted the prepped FSJ cable into the brass tubing, and just 
>flowed the solder in the collett.
>
>Now add a piece of heat-shrink and you have a N connector on the end of 
>FSJ1-50, for about the price of a PL-259.  
>
>I think maybe it would be a good idea to add another piece of larger 
>tubing on the outside of the connector sleeve for strain releif, but I 
>don't think it's strictly needed.
>
>So, now I am not so worried about obtaining those connectors.
>But by replying to my own email in thread, perhaps someone else will 
>find this when they need it.
>
>If anyone's interested, I can do some pix for the RB site.
>
>KC6ETE clear!
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   - Adam - 

   

  





 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: SPECTRA VHF

[sgreact47]

I can repair/refurbish the RF boards. Contact me off list.
I also do full Spectra repairs.

Tim's problem is not uncommon, I have seen and repaired a whole lot of
Spectras with the same problems.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "w3plc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I need of an RF board for a Spectra T83FWA7HA9AK
> 
> Motorola no longer has any parts for these.  My radio took a dive 
last 
> week and trying to locate one.  VCO board is working ok just the RF 
> board is the problem. NO rx on some freqs and some work. VCO is not 
> going out of lock Fail 001.  Seems like after all the tests I made 
> looks like the PLL in the RF board is the problem.
> 
> If anyone has one floating around would be greatly appricated.
> 
> 73's Tim w3plc
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB201

[screwdriver]

Tune away   done it before

SD
- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Passmore, kf6fkk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 1:43 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB201


> Anyone know if there are any differences between the Hi-band vs. the UHF 
> versions of the DB201?  ie. can one tuned for 170MHz be retuned for 450? 
> Looking at the drawings and specs they all seem to be the same with the 
> exception of the low band ones having a longer support pipe.
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
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